To all those saying : omg this story is so real. I hope you realize that this story is pre...

Rape is common in Yaoi.
And there are many cases that victims have forced orgasm even tho they don't want to.
Just google it.

I get that but most people probably don't understand what its like to be raped or they might (idk) but the author is at least trying to make it seem like rape(?) If an author has no experience with it it'll be hard to make a story with it (the same way some authors have trouble doing sex scenes or writing lgbtq characters) like I at least like the fact that the author tried to make it seem like it was rape and sure it wasn't the best rape scene out there but they tried (I hope)

You brave soul. You said the truth.

Also I don't think the Author's intention was insulting rape victims. But I can totally see where you're coming from, cause I feel the same way. It's just, the author is literally like any other authors. Likes to downplay how horrifying rape is. Which is disappointing. I was expecting something different. As the manga is so realistic, I was expecting the rape to be portraied in a realistic way. But, nope.

you don't speak for all rape survivors. it's common to feel guilty and hate yourself for having a physical reaction from something that is hurting you, against your will, while you're trying and failing to fight off the person attacking you. it makes you feel like there's something wrong with you for having a "positive" reaction to something negative. that guilt can be just as damaging as the physical aspect of rape/assault. i would know.

your smug know-it-all attitude is what's insulting to rape victims.

Thank you for saying...

so after getting hit, unable to move his arm and getting anal raped. DURING the act, you say it’s common that the victim’s thoughts are about self shaming because of the pleasure?

I never said the victims don’t feel guilt because of that, but that’s normally a reaction that would take it’s place after the act.

Anyway, i just found it offensive that this comic is explicitly showing this as rape, and yet they take off all the violence part of the rape, and only keep the victim self shaming part of it.

I didn’t say the victims don’t feel pleasure. I’m saying it’s out of place for Ed to be focused on self shaming DURING the rape.

That's you again just assuming what's a normal reaction, and when it's the normal time to have said reaction. How could you possibly know that. You could always make an assumption about the way you think your reaction would be and when or if you have experienced it, they way it happened to you. You say they took off all the violent parts of the rape as if there is only one way a rape can possibly happen. You also say that as if the victim's self shaming and self loathing isn't a huge part of that violence. It's not just raping of the body, it's raping of the mind, and that can be more violent then the physical act itself and something that takes so much longer to heal, if ever. Is that the case for all rape victims? Who am I to say? An irrational act like rape is not always going to elicit a normal response or reaction.

Or reaction time.

Also, he didn't say that it didn't hurt him or hurt him that much, he said it wasn't what hurt him the most. And the fact that he felt pleasure can be fear inducing in itself.

That reaction would be acceptable if the story would actually explore the aftermath of a rape victim and how they deal with the guilt of feeling pleasure from rape.

But it is quite obvious that the author made Ed react that way ONLY to make the rape look less terrible. The same way most yaoi does. They include rape because thats their fetish, but they take off most of the effects of rape because they don’t want to deal with that, they just wanted the smutty action.

It's not just a yaoi thing, it's a societal thing. The fact that you said that it makes the rape look less terrible speaks volumes to how society views rape victims who felt pleasure at some point. It's not obvious to me this is the direction the author is going because I have not read the chapters after this yet (if you have, I don't want spoilers, I'd rather find out myself). So I don't know if they are taking most of the effects of rape from this chapter alone. If they make it out to be just smutty action then yes, that will be disappointing because no part of that scene made it seem okay or less of anything other than rape. But going on this chapter alone and your original post, the only thing insulting to rape victims is that you more or less treated it the way society as a whole has treated victims. Like there is a right way and a wrong way to react. Like there is a right time and a wrong time to react. Like there is a scale and order to which you feel pain and hurt. To suggest that all rapes look the same, therefore all impacts are the same. People are different and react differently and get impacted differently and process traumas differently.

I understand your point, but the reason why rape is seen as the terrible crime it is. Is because of its violence.

And that’s why in almost all yaoi, they always try to put the violence out of the equation. And here the author did the same, she made the MC focus on self shame and decided the violence wasn’t the priority.
And the way she did it (doing this despite clearly showing this as rape) i think that was quite triggering.

And no i didn’t read any raws. But don’t really need raws to know that the focus won’t be about the psychology of rape victim. First of all, it’s not a psychology manga. And it was pretty clear to me that from the start the author made Chang a cliché antagonist who is interested in the uke(I didn’t expect rape at first seeing how he treated Ed, it became a strong possibility).

I get where you are coming from as well, but you see how that is a problem in and of itself? Who gets to decide how much violence is required to be considered rape or the type of violence that makes it so devastating? You seem to be suggesting that the qualifications of a rape must include a certain high level degree of physical abuse and that that physical abuse is what makes rape vicious. You even seem to suggest that physical abuse is the only form of violence. This is a very narrow minded way of thinking
and one of the leading causes to victim shaming. "Why didn't you fight more?" "Why did your body react if you didn't want it?" "I don't see marks on you, so you weren't forced, you must have wanted it." The author did not leave the violence out, it just wasn't portrayed in the way you felt was necessary to be considered a real rape. It wasn't physically violent enough for you to be realistic. But the fact is rape is rape because consent is not given, not by how badly you are beaten. Chang did not have consent. He forced himself on Ed. He rendered him helpless. And the part where you say is supposed to make the rape "less terrible" is what makes it more horrific. The mental mutilation that comes with rape is a violence that cannot be thought of as a lesser trauma that has a time of which it can begin and end. I disagree with you about the psychology aspect of it. The psychological effects have already been portrayed in Ed. You saw the shock and fear when he realized what was going to happen. You saw shame and humilation of his body betraying his inner being. These are a violent attack to his mental state and being that is happening before the actual act and most certainly during the act and will most likely stay with him forever in some form or another. What makes rape such a vicious thing is not always necessarily the act itself, but what it does to the mind. That self shame, self loathing, self worth is what can undo a person and send them spiraling. And about Chang being a cliche, he's a rapist, they tend to fit a profile.

The act of having sexual activity without consent is the violence requirement for rape. And it’s normal not to fight back due to the fear of more violence.

And now you are implying i am not considering this rape. That’s the oppposite. This scene was obviously rape. And that is what’s triggered me. Making a rape scene, but the author trying to make it less terrible by putting the priority, during the act, on self shaming for pleasure.

I didn’t say Ed psychology is inexistant. I said that the author WON’T go deep into the psychology of self shaming. Because the author don’t care about that. This scene was only to satisfy her kink.

It was important for the author for the rape to happen, and for her MC’s focus to be on the pleasure, and it’s the same in almost all yaoi. When a uke gets raped, he feels guilty for the pleasure. And then that’s it, the shame doesn’t last long because after the rape, we get rid of the antagonist and we move on to happy ending.
As much as self shaming might be a common thing for rape victim. They suffer for it so much and for a long time, but THAT PART won’t happen here.

For a short period, a physical pain is better to show violence

For a long period, a mental pain is better to show violence.

So here, the author use a short time mental pain. And she choose self shame for pleasure.
That’s ONLY for the rape to look less terrible BECAUSE the author’s kink implies physically enjoying the act despite no consent, and it can’t be too terrible because it’s still a kink and not a real representation of rape.

No, I'm implying that you seem to suggest that this makes it less serious and traumatic. Your use of the word "priority" to basically describe how a person should feel during the act to determine the level of devastation it has is mind-bogglingly ludicrous. And once again, you are talking about future chapters that right now, I am not interested in. Your original post and alot of your arguments attacked this chapter. Honestly, what the authors intentions on this scene is irrelevant. The blaring problem, is that someone can look at this chapter alone and come to the conclusion that the type and timing of a victims reaction makes a rape "less terrible." You are saying, whether you are meaning to or not, that because Ed's mental break over his body's response of its own accord happened "during the act" that it is somehow less detrimental. Then you blame the author and the future chapters you have not read to justify this line of thinking. I'll say it again, where the author goes with this, and what the authors intentions with this chapter was is irrelevant to your original post, grievance, and argument. This is a societal problem. You have judged the order and the timing of which a victims feelings and reactions are appropriate according to, I can only assume, what you think it would be, or if you are a victim, through your own experience. Whether you meant it that way or not, that's how it read. You accused the author of insulting rape victims while simultaneously insulting rape victims by trying to put priority and order to something you cannot because it is different for everyone. And as far as the psychological aspect, I'll hold out on that. This manga may not have a psychological tag on it, but it has had that theme throughout it.

Well, i have said my arguments and you have said yours.

It seems we have a solid disagreement.

Anyway, sorry if you personally felt insulted by my comment. Just know that what i’m targetting, is the author’s way of thinking behind the drama and this event.

Also, it’s not like im saying this is an horrible story, it’s just that many people seemed to think of it as a realistic story. And yet i find it just as cliché and absurd as the common yaoi. But the art makes it more appealing atleast.

And to that we can agree. No, I am not personally insulted by your comments, but I can think a few people who your words insult their experiences and/or even their character. You judge the author's way of thinking behind this event prematurely, and you do this based by your own idea of what's realistic to you. I've noticed that this isn't the only manga you criticize and belittle an author's characters and/or the author's work because it does not fit into your idea of realism. You throw the word cliche at it. Which is fine. But you should know that just because the stories or scenes or characters are unrealistic to you, does not mean it is not someone else's reality. How do you think cliches came to be? Cliches are what they are because they are universally experienced. You have this very set way of thinking that is narrow and it hinders your ability to empathize.