chapter 84–a quick rant with slight spoilers

lavender August 29, 2020 3:07 pm

this might sound salty buts it’s not, it’s just hard to phrase rhetorical questions without sounding angry lmao. (although i am lil sad)

regarding a taku x haesoo ending i just have so many questions for the author if this was what she intended the entire time. first and foremost, why drag the plot? taku was very much the favorite (at least in America) 20 chapters ago when h+j split. she definitely could’ve found a way for haesoo’s closure then, then have the remaining chapters be about h+t’s relationship and have this be a story about moving on, but she DIDN’T. instead, she chose to drag it on for 80+ chapters and bring joowon back into this mess, bringing his fans hopes up—which is plain cruel.

second, why drag joowon through hell and back only to have haesoo, literally his only support group, abandon him? *insert cardi b’s ‘what was the reason?!’”* like, i’m gonna need to have a serious talk with haesoo if he sees how much of a mess joowon is, decides it best to tell him “I’ve moved on bitch”, abandons him in the middle of a scandal, and then proceeded to happily chomp ramen with taku like nothing ever happened. like i knew my boy haesoo was ruthless but not SATAN.

lastly, did anyone ever figure out what the title meant? “Love or Hate”, is that referring to Haesoo’s feelings? because he’s never hated taku, so the only way i could see this being a relevant title was if this was about how haesoo felt about joowon. and then this title wouldn’t make sense with h + t ending. in conclusion, please end my misery and this series already oops

sincerely, a sad and confused joowon stan.

Responses
    Water August 29, 2020 3:19 pm

    I feel so hurt right now. I can't believe haesoo will do that. Jowoon worked hard to achieve his popularity. And all haesoo could think of is using the scandal to promote himself and taku's exhibition. He couldn't even say no to the president, call jowoon and ask him how he feels.
    This is why you shouldn't love selfish people like haesoo. No one cares about jowoon.

    lavender August 29, 2020 3:26 pm
    I feel so hurt right now. I can't believe haesoo will do that. Jowoon worked hard to achieve his popularity. And all haesoo could think of is using the scandal to promote himself and taku's exhibition. He could... Water

    bro did he really say that he was going to use joowon’s scandal to promote himself and taku? i cant read korean but if this is true then i’m out. sick of straight up using joowon as a plot device for taku and haesoo.

    Butterflyinwinter August 29, 2020 3:26 pm

    I don't know if you saw the latest chapter but *spoilers*







    Haesoo laughing with taku over the phone while Joowon is genuinely worried... I started to hate heasoo...

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 3:33 pm
    bro did he really say that he was going to use joowon’s scandal to promote himself and taku? i cant read korean but if this is true then i’m out. sick of straight up using joowon as a plot device for taku a... lavender

    WAIT WHAT? I too didn't understand much but i'm gonna be shocked if those were haesoo's intentions o.o ngl i'd feel rly bad for joowon and that would make haesoo SUCH a snake

    Water August 29, 2020 3:33 pm
    bro did he really say that he was going to use joowon’s scandal to promote himself and taku? i cant read korean but if this is true then i’m out. sick of straight up using joowon as a plot device for taku a... lavender

    The president of jowoon' agency suggested that they use the scandal to promote him and taku's exhibition. haesoo didn't say no or even say "let jowoon come and we will decide what to do". He just said okay, if that's the best he could do. He thought about when his manager suggested using jowoon to promote his book.

    Angie August 29, 2020 3:39 pm
    The president of jowoon' agency suggested that they use the scandal to promote him and taku's exhibition. haesoo didn't say no or even say "let jowoon come and we will decide what to do". He just said okay, if ... Water

    He thought that. But Joowon stormed in before he agreed.

    Water August 29, 2020 3:43 pm
    He thought that. But Joowon stormed in before he agreed. Angie

    Why didn't he say no to the president. He should have said when jowoon comes we will decide what to do not keep mute and think about when his manager suggested he use jowoon to promote his book.

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 3:46 pm
    Why didn't he say no to the president. He should have said when jowoon comes we will decide what to do not keep mute and think about when his manager suggested he use jowoon to promote his book. Water

    how do we know that though?? like yeah thats what the manager said to invite haesoo on a deal that benefits mostly his agency but maybe haesoo's intentions were different?

    Angie August 29, 2020 3:47 pm
    Why didn't he say no to the president. He should have said when jowoon comes we will decide what to do not keep mute and think about when his manager suggested he use jowoon to promote his book. Water

    Tbh I'm rather surprised (in negative way) that Haesoo didn't contact Joowon first instead he started making deals behind his back.

    There is also a chance they are already outed in "interview with the victim".

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 3:50 pm
    Tbh I'm rather surprised (in negative way) that Haesoo didn't contact Joowon first instead he started making deals behind his back. There is also a chance they are already outed in "interview with the victim". Angie

    i'm shooketh too. i totally expected them to meet up first. this is all looking bad and fishy but it'll clear up

    Water August 29, 2020 3:52 pm
    how do we know that though?? like yeah thats what the manager said to invite haesoo on a deal that benefits mostly his agency but maybe haesoo's intentions were different? BlubbDia

    Why will haesoo think about that after the president suggested that they use the scandal to promote him and taku's exhibition. He didn't even think "omg jowoon will be sad and will be having a difficult time. Let me call or send a message and ask if he is okay."

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 3:55 pm

    i neeevver understand the 'love ot hate' title and i stopped believing it has any deep meaning.
    i think the only big issue of this story is that it's been dragged. people would've been upset either way, whether it was t endgame or j endgame, but the fact that its dragged bothers everyone.
    maybe she did for money or maybe it was just an unintentional mistake. i can talk from my own writing experience that it happens to authors they drag a story without realizing it or because they're struggling with making a story line

    BlubbDia August 29, 2020 3:57 pm
    Why will haesoo think about that after the president suggested that they use the scandal to promote him and taku's exhibition. He didn't even think "omg jowoon will be sad and will be having a difficult time. L... Water

    yeah but we really haven't seen the both sides of the coin yet ://

    Water August 29, 2020 4:04 pm
    yeah but we really haven't seen the both sides of the coin yet :// BlubbDia

    Yeah. Let's hope we are wrong. I really pray so though.

    Tortugas August 29, 2020 4:15 pm

    I dropped this a few months ago because seeing Joowon in such pain was stressing me out, but periodically check the comments. Ya know I had a sinking feeling about the Fools redraw, if you get my meaning. If Joowon’s sole purpose is just a plot device for H & T relationship, I think it’s because he’s the most compelling character in the story. At least for me. I won’t read if author does some kind of tidy, trite wrap-up like 10 years later and he’s married with kids and everybody’s supposed to be happy and well adjusted. Nope, and nope. I guess we’ll see, though- maybe she will surprise us still.

    Angie August 29, 2020 4:28 pm
    I dropped this a few months ago because seeing Joowon in such pain was stressing me out, but periodically check the comments. Ya know I had a sinking feeling about the Fools redraw, if you get my meaning. If Jo... Tortugas

    Tbh if J&H didn't end up together (which is very likely), I'd say it's rather possible ending (the time skip, Joowon with wife and kids, giving rather illusory vibe that everyone is happy).
    As I said before for me the time skip would be rather uncreative and boring solution.
    But I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest

    Tortugas August 29, 2020 4:46 pm
    Tbh if J&H didn't end up together (which is very likely), I'd say it's rather possible ending (the time skip, Joowon with wife and kids, giving rather illusory vibe that everyone is happy). As I said before... Angie

    That kind of ending would be so indescribably lame, and cheapen the entire work.

    SangtaeHappiness August 29, 2020 4:48 pm

    What I was hoping for this chapter was Joowon seeing Haesoo's will to give him emotional support, only for him to think all the times were Haesoo was annoyed or straight up angry with him for looking to a reason to see him thanks to a scandal / minor incovinience. Joowon would tell him it was okay and that he can go, only for Haesoo to realize that all the feelings that came natural for him aren't "allowed" anymore since he said with own mouth he didn't want to give up his life, work or even his relationship with Taku for Joowon. Which ironically he didn't do this chapter.

    But I'm really petty, not going to lie. Two chapters ago he was acting like his life was falling apart but now he is joking and trying to normalize a situation that Joowon was falling apart because somehow he is involve? What the hell? He could have said that to not make Taku worried but with the context of Joowon redeeming himself for the past and accepting Haesoo's decisions, this feels so one-sided. I want Joowon to reject Haesoo for different reasons now.

    Angie August 29, 2020 5:30 pm
    What I was hoping for this chapter was Joowon seeing Haesoo's will to give him emotional support, only for him to think all the times were Haesoo was annoyed or straight up angry with him for looking to a reaso... SangtaeHappiness

    Tbh Haesoo's reaction to the whole scandal looks so flat? Idk maybe we will get deeper insight in next chapters but right now? I'm really surprised.
    I had similar expectations as you tbh.
    But seeing how Haesoo is rather cool about whole matter, even thinking about proposition of getting him promoted (???). That he didn't really care how his decision will be received by Joowon?
    I thought he would at least call, I don't know simple message how Joowon is doing instead of some shady meeting behind Joowon's back. We didn't even see what he thought about Joowon taking the blame on himself.

    I just hope we will get better insight on the situation, in Haesoo's thoughts because right now the writting of he's character looks a little bit incoherent? How he is even smiling and joking as if nothing big was happening...

    I can understand that Haesoo is moving on... But Joowon has been important person to him for years. He was his "lover", friend, support etc. Add to all of that the phone call scene and Haesoo loosing weight. And suddenly such a cool demeanor?

    I don't know what to think about it.

    Angie August 29, 2020 5:33 pm
    Tbh Haesoo's reaction to the whole scandal looks so flat? Idk maybe we will get deeper insight in next chapters but right now? I'm really surprised.I had similar expectations as you tbh. But seeing how Haesoo i... Angie

    His character*