By supporting this manga they are supporting content that involves a child x adult relationship. It doesn't matter if it's drawn or if it isn't. What matters is that this is a drawing of an under age child and an adult having sex. The auhtor wanting to draw child porn doesn't justify it being created, it's still child porn.
What you're saying isn't backed up by studies and no professionals don't say the opposite. Actually this can be supported by the behaviourist approach which works on the assumption that we are all born as blank slates (watch some documentories on feral children and you will notice how diffrently they behave from the average human) and that many of the things we learn are based on out enviroment and what we see. This process is also refered to as "socialisation" within sociology and it impacts us in many ways e.g. speech patterns. Things that are shown with society are normalized as when we see things often enough we end up accepting them as the norm. Therefore the production of content such as this does end up normalizing child x adult relationship especially if it's done on a large scale.
This is indeed not cp that involves a real life child (e.g. video) and while that does make it less bad to a certain extend, it's still bad. Either way it depicts a child and an adult. Would you still be arguing in favour of this manga and the people who support it if it depicted a sexual relationship between a dog and a human?
I never said that reading this will make someone into a pedophile (go through this whole convo and you will see that I am the person who suggested that them supporting this doesn't mean that they must be pedophiles). It's simply logical to say that people who are attracted to children will look for pornographic content with children just like lesbians will seek pornographic content involving women. Whenever that content is in the form of a manga and a video makes no differance. Also fiction and real life affect and mirror each other. What we as a society consider to be acceptable is largly affected by the media e.g. India, it's a country that produces a lot of content which shows fair skin as good while showing dark skin as bad by making the bad evil characters have a darker skin complection has a culture where fair skin is viewed as good while dark skin is viewed as something bad that you should want to change. The relationship between real life and fiction goes both ways however changing the way in which thing a is presented in either real life/ fiction will change how it is viewed in fiction/real life. Therefore by drawing art which presents adults x children relationships we can actually cause that to be socialy accepted. It's why Lgbt representation is important.
When content involving chilren is created and placed on a website which allows for communities to form then it's forming a community for them to use. People with an attraction to children should not be allowed to have any type of a community that makes it seem as though fucking a child is acceptable. This manga not only shows an adult x child relationship but it also shows it in a good light.
Your suggestion that adults informing kids about sex related things creating a community for pedophiles makes no sense. Based on this we would be going against things such as sexual education at schools. I don't see how educating teens on such things is a bad thing. Who else will teach them about those types of things? Isn't that just cutting them off from basic knowladge that everyone should know? Educating people abut sex is important as it teaches them things such as consent. Furthermore shouldn't the main consern be what is being taught? I really don't see why you're so concern over me saying what I am saying, if I was calling this manga good and if I claimed that this is how a healthy relationship looked like then I would get this criticizm, but here is the thing, I am doing the opposite of that and yet here you are, arguing in favour of such content. Wouldn't it be more harmful for minors to see content like this since it can lead them to think that doing such a thing between a child and adult is normal?
I hope that this clears it up for you. If you're still gonna stick by your view, I simply pointed out the truth (that this is an adult x child story) and I'm not going to argue with you about what is obviously true. If you want to argue about the rest then don't waste your time as I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You're either foolish and not aware about why this is bad or you're one of the people who has reasons to defend this. Either way it's not worth my time.
Not reading all that, sorry. Did read the end and don't appreciate you implying I'm either too dumb to understand or a pedophile to disagree with you. Just direct your energy to vilifying people that exploit and traumatize *real* children in media
Actually, I do just want to say: I have nothing against sex education, considering sex ed teachers are the only adults, aside from parents, that should be talking to minors about sex. In a *professional* capacity. There is a HUGE difference between that and a stranger on the internet taking it upon themself to tell random minors what porn they should and shouldn't enjoy. I, as an adult, don't talk to minors At All about porn. I block them whenever I see it because they really should not be commenting in *adult spaces*.
I'm only saying this manga is free to exist, I don't condone these things irl obviously but fiction is different, while you're comparing it to reality and encouraging minors do the same. I said it's dangerous and it is because you, a stranger on the internet, talking to minors about sex tells them "some adults *are* okay to talk to in this way, they're *safe*" . Pedophiles trap children by making them feel safe. They will approach the same way you or other "well-meaning" adults do, and the minor will trust them even more easily because they already had a positive experience with you.
Let's just agree to disagree.
I'm fine with that. If only it meant you and others would stop harassing people, a lot of whom are child sexual abuse survivors, online by calling them pedophiles.
lol i was personally harassed by a pedo when i was 12 and it traumatized the shit out of me, i just hate people who try defending it with "oh it's just fiction" because that doesn't take away the fact that we can have an opinion and/or criticize sumn. Telling someone to just die is just as bad but this is to be expected in internet fights.
I respect your opinion as long as you don't support/indulge in pedophilia. Have a great day.
That's shitty, and you are 100% entitled to whatever opinion you want. I'm not a huge fan of lolisho either (got here from someone posting the link), but it *is* just fiction. So even if I'm personally uncomfortable by some of it, I'll just avoid it and support whoever does like it. Because it doesn't harm anyone. I also wouldn't respect someone that supports pedophilia, this just isn't that. Thanks for being respectful, have a great day as well
sums it up perfectly, thank you for taking the time to type that
Let me add a point from my perspective: YOU are aware that fiction=/= reality. CHILDREN are gullible. They can easily be manipulated into believing/supporting an ideology which they can't comprehend/understand.With more pedophilia-related mangas/stories being created and supported, pedophiles will become more bold (just like i saw on social media. Some woman was saying she's attracted to 2-12 year olds) and therefore influence minors into supporting them. This is concerning.
I agree that pedophiles gaining confidence is concerning, the "MAPs" on twitter are disgusting. But pedophiles can use *anything* to groom minors. Manga, toys, tv shows, whatever are all just tools for predators. I don't think lolisho encourages them to think their attraction is accepted. I'm in the pro-ship nsfw part of twitter and everyone explicitly puts 18+ and "no MAPs" in their bio and blocks any minors that follow them. It should be the same situation for nsfw manga, minors aren't the intended audience. Especially because you're right, they're more gullible. Unfortunately, like I said earlier, strangers trying to warn minors about this only endangers them in the long run. Parents have to be more vigilant with teaching their kids and monitoring internet activity, it's not our responsibility.
Well, i tried. Let's agree to disagree, we're just repeating points at this point lol
Have a great day
Alright. I don't see this as being a pointless convo, ty for being willing to explain ur view and listen to mine. Like a year ago, I would've agreed with you but opinions change
Me too.
I think that it's great that you're choosing to agree to disagree on this issue as there is no point in wasting your time. I think that you made some lovely argument that I never through about.
No one is harassing anyone here, this was a publicly made comment on a manga that people chose to engage in.
It's obvious that you're a part of the problem, Reading loli and shota with r18 stuff makes you a pedo, there are no excuses. If you are a teenager/adult you should have known better. Everyone here was once a kid and we know too well that nothing can stop children from looking at what they want, they will find one way or the other. Shit's like this manga are showing straight up pedophilia, I think It's inappropriate for everyone
:D your arguments were on point as well
You know arguing with them won't bring you anywhere, like you're not gonna get through their ears. It's just funny how they will see you on the bad side after defending this manga and see you as a person as if they know you really well. They're someone like goody-two shoes. They talked about supporting child porn yet they do not understand what lolisho means. This genres shouldn't be posted in this site, nhentai community knows better lmao.
Dear everyone, lolisho, lolicon and everything else like that includes underage girls is cp. Calling it something else doesn't make a difference. The "Loli" part literally means "little girl."
Definitely, first time I responded in a loong time. I don't expect to change their mind at all so it's funny that they think they can change mine by talking as if their opinions are fact. Unfortunate that they'll keep talking to minors about porn as if that isn't actual harmful behavior, but when have antis ever been helpful lmfao
They just don't understand, I guess? Mate, they claimed we're pedos just because we're trying to explain what these kind of genres actually meant and although I'm underage I really enjoy this. It's not the manga that has the problem here it's how they see this. If they find this that way, guess we can't do anything with it. It'd be like that sometimes. Prolly, next time we better ignore their ignorance ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶
That's a child, right?
Why draw a child? Just draw two adults.
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If you support this manga people will assume that you're a pedophile because this manga includes a drawing of a child having a sexual relationship with an adult. The type of person would would get off to and like seeing a naked child having sex has a sexual attraction to a child which is what makes them a pedophile. You do not have to rape or to molest a child to be a pedophile. Most people who read this story just automatically felt disguist, I would compare it to seeing a cockroach inside your food.
Yes, it's a drawing and it's fiction but that doesn't make the child not a child, it just makes it not a real life human child which is why people are only complaining about it and not calling the police.
I don't think that you have molested or raped a child if you enjoy this story. I don't think that you're necessarily a pedophile, however I do think that there is a strong proablity (which would explain why you didn't automatically feel disgust) or you are very young and foolish.
I was young and foolish at one point and I would have argued that this is harmless untill I found out that certain people join online communities where they talk and condone about those actions and also further actions done by the type of people that read stuff like this, this does include dating some very young people. They typically meet in the comment sections of stories such as this one and they create communities where a lot of unacceptable things are treated as normal. Stories like this do make it seem far more normal and acceptable than it actually is and studies have shown that possitive depictions of certain actions do increase the likelyhood of us performing those actions. That doesn't mean that if you read stories like this, you will go out and rape a child but it does mean that when people read stories like this, they will have a higher proablity of doing so than people who do not read stories like this.
I myself had experienced this as a child. I didn't even know or understand what has happened because you know, as children we don't know about the rights we actually have. I wasn't able to do anything about it, he is out-there living his life happily while I personally only realized what had actually happened a few years ago. I remember having nightmares about what happened when I was a child which says a lot since I don't rememeber most of my childhood. I consider myself lucky because it left a minimal effect on me, I do repress most of it and I do repress most of my emotions but other than that I'm able to function normally. I remember going to school with another girl who went through the same thing and I remember seeing her have mental breakdowns in class and I have seen the effect it can have on people which is why I treat topics such as this one with the respect they deserve. If you're reading this then I hope that you won't be one of the people who fall victim to this because your mental health can have a huge impact on your life and future.
This is also why I believe that we should all be educated on this topic. If you're reading this and if you're a minor please remember that an adult can take advantage of you, they hold a position of power. You should never meet them in real life, if they are talking to you in a sexual/romantic way then that's a red flag, don't let them know your address and block them. Most female victims of violent crimes are victims of people who are close to them while most male victims are victims of strangers. Never ever send nudes of yourself to anyone especially if you're underage as that can be used for blackmail, (a friend of a friend made that mistake, spend months getting blackmailed by two pedophiles and eventually those pictures got send to everyone that attended her school.) Additionally you can actuallly get in trouble for prducing cp even if you're the victim in that situation. Stay safe and remember that adults can be wrong, they can be bad and they can be shitty. This applies to everyone, even teachers and parents.