Nerves

Anonymous October 18, 2020 12:29 pm

Okay, now he's getting on my nerves. He is still a student, he needs to be able to learn properly. I really don't like this guy, this is just annoying and disruptive. Poor Sangwoo.

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    Aime October 18, 2020 12:52 pm

    Actually he hasn't done anything which prevent him to learn properly. He just took his usually seat, and coffee, (which are not his properties so...). He sat next to him but he didn't even talk to him. He never crossed the line, never been disrespectful, never bullied him, and never prevented him to study or anything so..... I must admit that he kinda looks like a stalker because to know all his habits I presume that he followed him everywhere, but overall, he hasn't done anything serious, it's mostly childish.

    Coco goddess October 18, 2020 12:58 pm
    Actually he hasn't done anything which prevent him to learn properly. He just took his usually seat, and coffee, (which are not his properties so...). He sat next to him but he didn't even talk to him. He never... Aime

    Yes he has crossed the line he is literally invading his space you may think its trivial but its not. A lot of people take their study time and days seriously and for this dude to come fuck that up because he mad he failed because ove his own behavior is ridiculous. If I were Sangwoo I would go to the head of the school and than he would really have something to be upset about.

    Mozzarella October 18, 2020 1:09 pm
    Actually he hasn't done anything which prevent him to learn properly. He just took his usually seat, and coffee, (which are not his properties so...). He sat next to him but he didn't even talk to him. He never... Aime

    1st character is clearly not neurotypical given how much these changes affect his life. It's not just a minor inconvenience for him, see how the author portrayed his inner reaction in class.

    2nd character's behavior is intentionally triggering someone who possibly is ND, that's bullying. Bullying is never not serious or just mostly childish.

    Anonymous October 18, 2020 1:56 pm
    Actually he hasn't done anything which prevent him to learn properly. He just took his usually seat, and coffee, (which are not his properties so...). He sat next to him but he didn't even talk to him. He never... Aime

    He has been disrespectful and crossing the line from the very beginning, Sangwoo says that he can only learn well in that seat and now that he has to sit somewhere else he cannot learn properly. He is preventing him from learning in class and by showing up in the Library the time he goes there he is also affecting his private studying(because we all know he isn't just going to sit next to Sangwoo quietly).

    Don't forget that Sangwoo also has a job which means he probably doesn't have much time to study at home. If red shows up at his workplace also then that would cause additional problems in his work life as well. He drinks that coffee because he likes it and because it energises him the most, ready to study, so taking all of it is terrible as well.

    Jut because it's childish doesn't make it harmless. It is childish and it is also very detrimental to Sangwoo's everyday life and usual routine.

    Aime October 18, 2020 7:15 pm

    You are all right actually, I personally think that the MC is autistic that why all those things affect him this much, but Sangwoo is not aware of that, he just think that he's kinda odd. Objectively speaking he hasn't done any harms at all. ONLY THE READERS KNOWS how it affect the MC. Plus any other people wouldn't have been this much disturbed. Using one chair or one brand of coffee, or sitting next to someone without saying anything is NOT harmful. People are not usually disturbed for this much, but it happens the MC is more special than others (not in a pejorative way, of course) but Sangwoo IS NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW. Objectively speaking, if the MC wasn't the way he is, it would be just childish. And as I said, only the readers knows how he is.

    Anonymous October 18, 2020 7:36 pm
    You are all right actually, I personally think that the MC is autistic that why all those things affect him this much, but Sangwoo is not aware of that, he just think that he's kinda odd. Objectively speaking h... Aime

    I understand but some people just think these things and aren't autistic.

    Also, I have never read a manga or Webtoon with an autistic character, I'd like to but no matter how much I looked there really weren't any.

    That's partially why I doubt he's meant to be autistic, he's just meant to be odd, along with the fact that not every person who is like this is autistic.

    Anonymous October 18, 2020 7:36 pm

    If you have any can you recommend them?

    Aime October 18, 2020 10:16 pm
    I understand but some people just think these things and aren't autistic. Also, I have never read a manga or Webtoon with an autistic character, I'd like to but no matter how much I looked there really weren't ... Anonymous

    I know, but it doesn't change the fact that Sangwoo isn't supposed to know how affected he is... Because usually, people don't get upset for this kind of thing (or they get mildly upset but not to the point of preventing them to study well)

    This is sadly the very first time that I read a webtoon with a MC who looks (because it wasn't confirmed) autistic ! So I have no recommendations sorry ╥﹏╥ And it is just assumptions of mine because I'm a psycho major and when I looked at my study notes I realized that the MC had many behaviors related to the autism spectrum disorder. I thought he was just a bit odd at first but when I looked at my notes, everything seemed logical haha ! I really hope, the author will confirms it and not make it look like he just eccentric ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

    Mozzarella October 19, 2020 12:03 am
    You are all right actually, I personally think that the MC is autistic that why all those things affect him this much, but Sangwoo is not aware of that, he just think that he's kinda odd. Objectively speaking h... Aime

    Jaeyoung knows this affects him, that's why he does it. If he knows this triggers him, it is obvious he has the necessary information to know he is NA.

    Thus, because you cannot know who is NA and who is not, it is common sense not to try to trigger anyone at all.

    Aime October 19, 2020 1:43 am
    Jaeyoung knows this affects him, that's why he does it. If he knows this triggers him, it is obvious he has the necessary information to know he is NA.Thus, because you cannot know who is NA and who is not, it ... Mozzarella

    (I don't know what you mean by "NA", but let's remplace it by "behavioral disorder", my point will be the same) That's literally why I said it's childish, he obviously doing it to trigger him, but not to the point of being a bully or interfering (purposely) with his studies or mental health which he doesn't know anything of. Not even the author confirms whether he's has a behavioral disorder or not, and if the readers didn't have his point of view, they wouldn't have known his way of thinking and would have thought that he's just eccentric (and I think that's how Sangwoo sees him). And I'm pretty sure that even some readers didn't even realized that he may have a BD. Just because we both realized it doesn't mean that it's obvious. I believe that in Sangwoo eyes (and let's not forget that he's fictional), he's just triggering an odd guy to get his attention. This is literally what children do, this is purely childish. It's not as deep as him purposely bullying someone who is "NA".

    Aime October 19, 2020 1:50 am
    Jaeyoung knows this affects him, that's why he does it. If he knows this triggers him, it is obvious he has the necessary information to know he is NA.Thus, because you cannot know who is NA and who is not, it ... Mozzarella

    You can dislike him because he's childish and immature but don't portray him as a disrespectful bully who purposely affect someone's mental health and studies because it's definitely not the case here. It may be a result of his childish behaviors but it's definitely not on purpose. ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    Mozzarella October 19, 2020 1:33 pm
    (I don't know what you mean by "NA", but let's remplace it by "behavioral disorder", my point will be the same) That's literally why I said it's childish, he obviously doing it to trigger him, but not to the po... Aime

    "just triggering the odd guy to get his attention"

    So he's pulling on pigtails, which is harassment. And remember that bullying is not always intentional, bullies believe they are just "having fun".

    It doesn't matter if he knows Sangwoo is NA or not - which I support my theory that he has enough information to know bc he knows what triggers him down to minimum details - you don't trigger people on purpose, for no reason, specially if you 'like' them. That's pulling on pigtails, which is known to be a form of toxic relationship.

    It is fine if you like him, after all he is supposed to be a hot character and people are biased towards beauty (that's how pretty popular people get away with bullying btw, bc ppl are shallow like that).

    But don't try to convince me his behavior is just childish and harmless. It's very much harmful, and he knows that.

    In the end you're just screaming "boys will be boys".

    Aime October 19, 2020 2:35 pm
    "just triggering the odd guy to get his attention"So he's pulling on pigtails, which is harassment. And remember that bullying is not always intentional, bullies believe they are just "having fun".It doesn't ma... Mozzarella

    I'll not fight on the internet with a stranger for a fictif character, it was fun at first but now it's getting tiring. If you think you're right, then good for u pal

    Aime October 19, 2020 2:42 pm
    "just triggering the odd guy to get his attention"So he's pulling on pigtails, which is harassment. And remember that bullying is not always intentional, bullies believe they are just "having fun".It doesn't ma... Mozzarella

    I feel like you were bullied in real life and now you're projecting your own traumas over a fictional story. It looks like you're identifying yourself as the MC so your point of view is not objective, and whatever I'm saying, you're just convinced that you're right as if all of this was real. So, the debate is useless.

    Anonymous October 19, 2020 3:06 pm
    "just triggering the odd guy to get his attention"So he's pulling on pigtails, which is harassment. And remember that bullying is not always intentional, bullies believe they are just "having fun".It doesn't ma... Mozzarella

    I agree with Mozzarella, I've never been bullied before but I don't see how you can say that it isn't on purpose. Even if we exclude mental health from the issue, the fact remains that Red is completely disrupting Sangwoo's life. He is showing up at the library he always studies in to aggravate him.

    Let me tell you how it disrupts his studies. Red showed up to all Sangwoo's classes dressed in bright red, a bright, alarming colour and not to mention Sangwoo's most hated colour and sitting in his usual place. Now, if Sangwoo sits next to him, he will constantly be distracted by the firetruck sitting next to him, and if he sits further away, he won't be able to see the board well.

    This debate is not useless. It just surprises me that someone could possibly think that isn't bullying and/or harassment. It being fictional doesn't change the fact that you don't believe that Red's actions are those of a bully. It being fictional doesn't change the fact that if anyone were in Sangwoo's position, they'd be extremely bothered.

    Anonymous October 19, 2020 3:11 pm

    Back to the autism topic:

    I still doubt Sangwoo being autistic, however, I feel that while it may fit a lot, you can't forget that sometimes even if you fit a lot of the symptoms for a disease or a mental health disorder it really doesn't mean you have it. Sangwoo could just be a person who thinks logically, is really smart, likes routine and is direct. It doesn't always equate to something else.

    xybreak October 19, 2020 3:37 pm
    Back to the autism topic:I still doubt Sangwoo being autistic, however, I feel that while it may fit a lot, you can't forget that sometimes even if you fit a lot of the symptoms for a disease or a mental health... Anonymous

    he is never stated to be autistic/neurodivergant in the original novel, so he probably wasn't written to be spectrum. that being said, it's fiction, people are most likely going to interpret it in whichever way they feel most comfortable with, so if nd people want to read Sangwoo as being nd because it makes him more relatable/likeable/whatever i don't really see any harm in that ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

    Anonymous October 19, 2020 3:40 pm
    he is never stated to be autistic/neurodivergant in the original novel, so he probably wasn't written to be spectrum. that being said, it's fiction, people are most likely going to interpret it in whichever way... xybreak

    True

    Aime October 19, 2020 3:41 pm
    I agree with Mozzarella, I've never been bullied before but I don't see how you can say that it isn't on purpose. Even if we exclude mental health from the issue, the fact remains that Red is completely disrupt... Anonymous

    ON one hand, he's doing all of this to trigger him ON PURPOSE, but on the other hand, how is he supposed to know how affected he is by those things ? Because objectively speaking, it's just some small things such as a color, a seat (which is not his) or a brand coffee (which is not his). Objectively speaking, it's just some small little things which can annoy someone but not to the point of being so trigger that it distrubed his studies or mental health. We only know how perturbed he is by all of those small things just because the readers know his point of view, but objectively speaking, if you didn't know his point of view, if you didn't know his reasons, if you didn't know how important it is for him, those things would be just seen as small little things such as a seat, or a brand coffee or a bright color which are kinda annoying but not really serious. I'm not saying that what Sangwoo is doing is right, and I'm definitely not saying that he is not triggering him on purpose, because as I said, he has the behaviors of child who wants to get his attention, it's super childish and immature (which could be a reason why people wouldn't like him). But if the MC wasn't the way he is, it wouldn't be seen as "harassment". But because he is the way he is, you see it as harassment and I can understand that, because it clearly has consequences on his mental health and studies, but only the readers know. Sangwoo's only purpose is to get his attention and I'm not saying that it is right, but it's not as deep as harassment (taking someone seat is not harassment, it can be annoying but it's not harassment). But as I keep saying since the very beginning, ONLY THE READERS KNOW how the MC is, because he's the main character so the readers know his point of view. Just try to look at the story from another angle, another point of view. I keep repeating myself over and over and now it's getting really annoying. If you think he's a bully, and I'm wrong then so be it. I don't give a shit anymore.

    Aime October 19, 2020 3:44 pm
    he is never stated to be autistic/neurodivergant in the original novel, so he probably wasn't written to be spectrum. that being said, it's fiction, people are most likely going to interpret it in whichever way... xybreak

    I said that it was just presumptions of mince and that the author didn't confirmed it tho