also, I don't get the moral discussion here. Everyone here is reading illegal translations...

This is exactly what I think like, we are all in the wrong dudes.
Get off your high horses

Lol... I totally agree with you. I'm not disregarding the translator. But an illegal translator having their own moral standard is a bit weird for me. They even have their own set rules among fellow illegal translator. So well... I don't know. But still I have to thank these illegal translator though.

Agreed 100% I appreciate scanlators for various reasons.

But at the end of the day, when you really look at it... lol

Some scans teams specifically don’t like Mangago because they steal official Translations and post them here. Also because Mangago runs adds and makes thousands off others peoples work. So they use social media or MangaDex that doesn’t run adds.

Mangago is a shithole for those reasons, I'm well aware of that.

But that tidbit doesn't really excuse the act itself in all of it. If it's on the internet, it's going to be spread and stolen by these guys.

Like no matter how careful scanlators are, if they show and post it online to atleast a group of 100 folk. It'll get yoinked. reposted all over. Like wildfire

It is a normal though to have, if you don't know how this all works.
Translators (most of them), buy the raws with their own money, (only big groups like BangAqua who asks for donations, don't always do that. But single persons or small groups like The Generation of Miracles, never asked for it, and pay everything with their own money), Mangago doesn't pay a dollar. It is the other way, they earn so much money with this page and others, that they don't even need to work in real life anymore. Of course, the mangakas don't earn a thing and they don't help them out either. Now let that sink in, and maybe you will understand why many translators are against uploading their work here. Mangago doesn't ask them either.

Mangago is a stealing shithole. That much mostly everyone knows.

People like you still praising scanlators in the mean time are wrong. BUYING ONE COPY DOESN'T CONDONE THE SPERAD OF IT TO OTHERS. and just because it wasn't originally posted here doesn't mean it still wasn't illegal, harmful to the mangaka, or wrong period.

Yes it's on a smaller scale. But a pirate is a pirate at the end of the day, spreading the work to other non-buyers. That's the reality. It's not right either way.

I already replied to you, and won't repeat myself. You already have my answer.

Seem I was attempting to debate with a wall. Noted.

So if someone doesn't agree with you, they just don't want to discuss?
You replied to 2 of my comments saying the same thing, and I already answered one of them. I don't think walls would do that, but maybe the wall it is not me. Noted.

Coming from a former scanlator, bear in mind that while you could easily call everyone a pirate, every scanlation bears a different level of severity and impact on the mangaka and the industry. You seem to be simplifying the matter by viewing everything black and white.

When in fact, the existence of these so-called "illegal" scanlation is what led to the localization of many works in the first place. If everything was left in its origin country, to begin with, there wouldn't be much exposure for folks outside to push for "official" translated work.

I won't deny it's illegal, but then so are the existence of "doujinshi" and fandom merchandise. Technically, you shouldn't be making any profit from copyrighted material and yet, its widely accepted in Japan and the likes.

Different points were made specifying why it was wrong period. You however cant seem to excuse your own cherry picking and justification for scanlators. You countered none of the points. Just copped out entirely.

wonder if our other discussion will go the same way.

I agree with most of what you say, especially the varying severities. Mangago obviously doing something more corrupt in the given context.

And until something comes out, say a statistical study proving the theory that promotion vias scanlators does more harm than good, my opinion would change. As of now. Not much to showcase that.

also, I don't read doujins so I'll leave that argument to someone else lol

good than harm*

silly typo on my end, apologies.

Agree, I was a scanlator too. My group was small and closed.
During that time, I had restricted my followers to people outside Japan, UK, China and US, and allowed only people from countries where the Manga wasn't released.
If for example people from Japan wanted to follow me, they wouldn't be able to do so because they wouldn't find my page in the first place. And even if they did, an error would show up saying that the page doesn't exist.

ohhhh, you're one... no wonder the justifying.

I chimed in to say that you seem very adamant on the fact that scanlation is illegal and I agreed, but your narration seemed very pressed on the fact that it's bad and only bad when that isn't quite the case.

"It's not right either way." When that wrongdoing is what led to official translations to exist because companies realized there would be a market interested in that work? Eh, good things can come out of bad "illegal" things, lol.

Did I deny any of your claims? No. So tell me, what exactly am I cherry-picking here? I chimed in, again, because you seem to enjoy writing everyone off on the same stroke. Though reading through your earlier comments, you seem to have a vendetta against scanlators in general, lol.

said points you brought up were justifying the act when in the end, it wasn't supposed to be done.

My narrative at the end of the day here is that no one gets a free pass or excuses with cherry picking. I stated ABOVE, before you ever approached me in this thread that I did appreciate translators for some reasons, followed by, objectively, me being non biased despite getting to read their translations. It's wrong. period.

You got worked up by my neutral comments above. I then as they say " went in your ass " to counter your logic.


no vendetta. You just seemed pent up on my other remark well above trying to justify it when it was neutral criticism.

I read illegal chapters on this site. I'd be biased towards scanlator if anything. It's called being objective.

I am reading your answers, and what I have noticed is that you aren't reading properly. You are putting words in my mouth, meaning you are saying I said this and that, when I did not. First.
Second, if you read correctly I wrote "I WAS" and not "I am".
Said that, I won't discuss to a childish person who talks about things they don't know, pretending they are the only and holy truth, without taking in consideration that they might be wrong about something. So yeah, I will become a "wall" know, until you decide to grow up a bit, and read correctly what people wrote. O, one last thing. You might not know it, but today many illegal translators, are real translator in life too, working for some publishing companies, who publishes Mangas too. So, they would be pretty stupid to do something which would harm them, their income, and their company. I don't know how many Titles got an officially translations because they did what they did.
So yeah, keep on to your believing, and since you ask for so many demographics , proofs and whatever, how about you start to show them to us?
Have a good life.

Not only that, he/she is contradicting himself, and didn't even notice it.