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People don't cry about rape in the story.
They are judt disappointed the way it turns out, that the story started following the same trope as hundreds of stories before it.

you can NEVER remove tropes from stories, that's just the way this is, but what makes stories good despite the overused tropes is the "variation" the plot and context has. I believe the story still has a lot more to give, it's still too early to judge, wait for the damn thing to be completed AND THEN judge.

Everybody has their own opinion about stories that has genre like this. Those "people" that doesn't want this genre or story specifically should just FUCK OFF! EVERY STORY HAS IT OWN PLOT! AND IT DOESN'T EVEN ENDING YET! WE'RE ONLY HALF AND "PEOPLE" WHO WAS JUST RELYING IN HERE HAS THE BALLS TO FUCKING GIVE "OPINION" TO CREATE ARGUMENT! How peaceful is that.

I don't agree. I've read refreshing stories which didn't follow the tropes.
There are hundreds of brilliant books, movies out there which don't follow any tropes.

It's not some reader's's fault that them stating opinion... Which isn't the same as 99.9 pr started arguments. Or more like never ending complaints about these 3 or 4 comments.
Tbh it's ridiculous that few comments made furious so many people.

You know tropes aren't just about "psycho meets good person and changed all for the sake of love" and stuff like that right? Tropes are EVERYWHERE, like how even original stories have a "Hero" and a "Villain" and how horror films (no matter how good they are) use jumpscares, those are ALL tropes/themes. Give me ONE story that does not follow a common trope or theme, up to the most subtle things, there will always be a trope. Boy meeys girl? That's a trope, Both protagonists have different personalities, that's a trope. The way authors play around with tropes will determine how good the outcome of the plot is.

The Magic Mountain - Thomas Mann. For example.
But this particular trope is something more than boy meets girl. It's the same repetitive (and rather illogical at times) trope used in majority of yaois.

that's why this story had tags and was included to lists like:
Rape//Way too smut//BDSM//Toys//Threesome//Foursome//Gangbang
You think they will include it if this story doesn't have these topic?? What yah think?? Do all yaoi stories are included here?? No?? Yes??

But i didn't complain about rape, did it? Or about abuse or about gangrape? No
I literally said I'm disappointed by the newest chapter and how things turn out. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's the point, certain Tropes will most likely be overused, If you're so sick of similar tropes in other yaoi stories then take a break from reading the genre and go read something else, the premise of the story and the first chapter already says ALOT about their character, but that's just the tip of the iceberg, and as the story thickens, many things will be revealed bit by bit. But don't you think it's unfair to keep on complaining about a story that has not been finished yet? The plot of the story has been set in stone, trying to rant and complain about the development of the story even though it hasn't been finished yet won't change anything? So why bother? People CAN have opinions but update after update, people KEEPS on ranting about the pace of the story, if they're disappointed at this point then just LEAVE, stop camping in the comments and keep on coming back just to rant some more, honestly

I just searched the Magic Mountain and saw that even the author compared it to "a symphonic work orchestrated with a number of themes". See? Themes OR Tropes will never be absent in Fictional stories.

Ok, I agree. As I said, we have different opinions and I'm agreeing to yours because it was quite disappointing too in my perspective. It's still on-going so let's see what will happen next.

Believe me that book is philosophical consideration about life. There is difference about themes and character's thoughts about them and uncreative, repetitive tropes in yaoi which tbh in most don't make bigger sense.
Keep complaining? Lol?

How can someone compare boy meeting girl to I feel for my rapist and abuser trope.

I hope something surprising lol.

Please re read my comment, i'm generalizing tropes in all stories not just about this "yaoi logic" you speak of. And even if they do remove sexual abuse, they will most likely utilize another trope. Tropes doesnt range from rape and sexual abuse only

My point is, a TROPE is still a TROPE, no matter the context. I have never even compared girl meets boy to the theme painter of the night has lol. I just stated that as an example for tropes. Why are you complaining about tropes being repetitive even though in nature, THEY ARE overused that's why they're called tropes (⊙…⊙ )

I said that you can NEVER remove tropes in fictional stories, not just regarding yaoi, if you're so damn tired of these type of stories then find another good read, rather than wasting your time trying to argue on something you don't even like in the first place.

Sigh. This one specific trope is THE MOST overused and ridiculous trope in the whole yaoi world. What's more it's sometimes very illogical or problematic trope which doesn't make bigger sense.

Imo this story had potential but now it's turning the same as hundreds out there that's why me and some others are disappointed.

And that leads us to what a lot of people are also complaining. If you don't like what you're reading, find something better and stop ranting! Shoving your opinions on other people won't make things any better. Honestly this DOES have potential, if you give it a chance and just be more open minded about the abuse ordeal as an element to make the readers more engaged and feel different types of emotions, we're still basically starting Season 2 of the manhwa, so the author still has a lot to give. But if you can no longer endure the disappointment you have for the story, then stop.

How exactly my one comment equals shoving my ooion on other people...like also I agree with blue wholeheartedly

I think a lot of readers can draw a line between what's written for fiction and reality. I cannot emphasize enough that just because you enjoy a story with these kinds of disturbing elements mean that you are also an enabler of these kinds of deeds in real life. NO.

And even though abuse can be depicted in mangas not ALL of them will show a realistic representation of how it usually happens. These kinds of stories will most likely over exaggerate these kinds of elements to make it more of a roller coaster ride for the readers. Very rare does mangas show realistic depictions of rape, abuse, and etc.

However not all the time I am okay with the use of "rape" in stories, at times i feel like it's becoming more of an overkill with the excessive amount of rape to the point that it won't add up to the story, and it feels unnecessary. But Byeonduck's way of incorporating these elements to Painter of the Night is commendable, in a way that it's cohesive to the plot, it really pushes a lot buttons and it will make you feel all sorts of way. Maybe that's one of her goals, we don't know. But a lot of us are still enjoying the development and pace of the story. So stop shoving your opinions on other people, and find another manga to enjoy, clearly this ain't for you, so why bother.

Imo it had potential. Like I guess we will have to see maybe we will be surprised but it looks kinda cheap and tendentious to just after chapter when Nakyum was nearly gangraped... give us combo of sick,vulnerable Seungho, his sad past and suicidal thoughts....

I literally see you everywhere, not just under this comment. And you didn't stop with just ONE comment lol? You kept on justifying as to why you and the "others" are disappointed over the manga and kept on explaining how you disagree with my point that Tropes are EVERYWHERE. And that's not shoving your opinion?

Just agree to disagree and leave. Clearly you don't like how where this is heading and i don't think you're going to continue any further based from the amount of replies i saw from you regarding your opinion. If you don't like it, then there's no need for you to further explain why you don't like it right? Hope you have a nice day, and i hope you find a good read

I posted two OPs, commented on 2,3 post with similar views and interpretation to mine and commented on people complaining about others "hating" on the story.
Sorry to disappoint

so for you to criticize something, do you also have to reply on other comments that does not agree with your point?

Let's agree that tropes are everywhere if we assume tropes are basic situations from real life like making friends.
But I think the "from rape to love" trope and "abuser having sobbing backstory that's why everything is forgiven" are cherry on the top and in the whole different category.
Making friends, boy meeting girl, it's all realistic. Characterisation of abuse in yaoi is just not.
The refreshing part is the setting of time ( gorgeous art is also nice)...but it's literally your the most typical yaoi just set in different times.

Dark posessive master without the whole part about falling in love for example would be much more refreshing.

i thought you were trying to criticize POTN? Criticizing something and engaging in a "discussion" is different. And then again, discussions are meant to at least open your eyes to the POV of others, but it seems like you don't want to at least accept our own reasons and you just joined a "discussion" to emphasize your own opinion. I can see why you don't like it, but if you don't like it, then go find something better, like i always say.

The ones i stated as an example of tropes were SOME of the mountains of types you can see in stories. You can't just compare a "realistic" trope and an "unrealistic" one at that, it won't prove your point, rather it just goes tk show that tropes vary in many different ways and does not range solely on rape and abuse. And like i said, I do agree that realistic depictions of certain situations are almost non existent in yaoi mangas, but that's just how it is. It's hard to nitpick Slice-of-life stories given that yaoi mangas rely too much on "yaoi logic"

There are maaaany tropes in this one
-Seme - manly, taller, muscular, confident, sensual
- Uke- small, femine, delicate, blushing, teary)
- from rape/abuse (kidnapping, beating) to love
- repressed sexually virgin uke/ experienced, "playboy" seme
- innocent,sweet,good,naive,gold heart uke/ badass,dark,sinister,possessive, "bad boy" seme
- younger uke/ older seme
- poor, lower class uke/ rich, high class, elite seme
- "bad guy" seme with tragic past
- seme with "daddy's issues"

But the whole discussion started with that this story has the most repetitive (and problematic) beside seme uke dynamics trope that happens in majority of yaoi and thats why we are disappointed because some of us hoped it will turn out more interesting. And unfortunately we got tropes which
Are super repetitive, problematic and some of them just unrealistic.

There's really nothing wrong with having opinions, but seeing people complain about the direction of the story update after update is really annoying, and i've seen several users who complained before and kept complaining until the most recent updates. Plus like many others have also said, before reading, they should check the tags, the premise, and make sure that they know what they're getting themselves into. First chapter already says A LOT about how things will go down.

maybe it won't hurt to just wait for the story to be completed and then decide whether or not it is like those other manhwas about an abusive seme and a delicate uke. Even though they utilized that kind of trope and it seems predictable, i'm still looking forward to the depth of the plot and their backstories ++ family issues. Because all of those aspects will set things differently for POTN compared to other yaoi manhwas with a super meh development with a cringy sobstory.

Well unlike some of you, i actually want to give the story a chance despite it being overly cliche. And it's just the beginning of Season 2, if i'm overestimating its potential, then you're underestimating the author and how they're going to steer the direction of the story in the future. Just because it contains cliché's doesn't mean that it can't be "different". The setting, the characters, their backstories, the side characters, their personalities has a big part in making POTN "unique" in its own way. Not entirely original, but it has its own charm.

stop with the moral ascendancy, like i said, a lot of readers can clearly draw a line with fiction and reality. people accept it as a part of the story, but that doesn't mean we enable rape irl. just because we don't have the same view means that you can start "shaming" others. and here i thought you wanted to be in a discussion lol, it ended up as a one-sided rant. DONT EXPECT REALISTIC DEPICTIONS IN YAOI STORIES, that' s just how it is, especially with the "yaoi logic" you mentioned before.

Tbh I'm not really enthusiastic after the newest chapter. Of course there will be some different additional threads but I have the feeling that the story will follow the most typical path (after what we have seen to this point and especially in today's chapter and all the rather cliché tropes the story contains) so basically: some redemption arc, Seungho protecting, saving NK, maybe chasing after him (if he will be kidnapped)... Maybe he will throw his title away and live in poverty with NK but happy because they are together (the supposed "bittersweet" ending). So the main typical plotline (the main points on it) would be still intact.
I guess we will see but new chapters don't offer too much optymism.

Oh silly me. Yes "protecting" part is already there.... Maybe we will get some more spectacular one in the future. So now all that's left is the continuation of redemption arc. And falling deeper in love (?).

I'm not sure how he is living so peacefully after being cut off and doing nothing but I'm not specialist of Korean history.
What's more... The marriage topic. Yoon should have had a wife for years at this age. Which is another rather unrealistic aspect which was completely avoided in the story.

YESSS THEY HAVE 2 KIDS

2?? but there's only byul

its an if you hate me so much cameo

You made me hype for a sec there, its IF YOU HATE ME SO main characters in omega parallel universe lol.

Wait can you explain

Sooooooooooooo confused

there's a scene where hyesung's having a tantrum in the hospital and a pregnant couple passes by. its minjae and hyeongjo in an omega parallel universe

Oooooh

we'll probably find out in season 2

you mean 3?? Also the father issue didn't have any closure or something. But thank you!!