Daya's Topics (371)

I don’t think i can prepare mysekf for the ending. Just looking at the raws, i know I don’t have a strong enough heart.


Guess we will be sobbing together. Lol

Myself*

Too bad he’s the exploiter ╥﹏╥

Circle of life. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ in the same way, the bullied ones became bullies themselves too.

There’s a saying “turning lemons into lemonade”. Let’s face it, if you plan on being a victimizer you better be able to take shit when the tables are turned on you. In the prequel he never hurt anyone, just developed a very active libido. Have no pity for users/abusers

I completely agree with your statement.
Jaeha as a character, is the saddest thing but also i can't fully comprehend him.
It's just beyond weird to me, how Jaeha acts.
Idk, maybe it's just me? I guess it's because I haven't dated enough or socialized enough to meet different kinds of people?
Ive never met or knew someone who's in love but acts the way Jaeha acts.
When you're in love, like truly in love, it makes you cancel out all the bs in your mind( questions and self-doubt) and just go dive in. It's like an automatic thing. Like, basic human nature.

Maybe, I already know the answer: Jaeha is just not really in love.

because there is people like Jaeha, in real life too. who just because you are in love with someone, you can turn off those negative thoughts. it helps, yeah, but they don't go away.
people like him, are like me. the "Truely in love takes away the BS and you dive in", is the fairy tale ending to us.
With his past, he's probably got some form of depression. he may not be conscious of it, but i see it. In how he behaves, how he thinks, how he puts up a wall, that he really never intended to put up in the first place, and the not automatically trusting what's in front of him.
i love Jaeha. He's real, he's deep, he struggles with himself. He doesn't intentionally walk all over anybody.

Exactly how I feel he may feel as if he's come to love eunho but he only went out wid him becuz he felt obligated to do that he's love is nowhere as near as eunho although I want him to hurt miserably and fr eunho to leave him cuz he deserves it(becuz no matter what he's gone through,he's a piece of trash fr throwing away someone who loves him his whole life,evn though he wants to be loved he kewps running away he's such a selfish person)

It's interesting to me to read your perspective and to understand "love" from your standpoint; a person like Jaeha.
I understand how Jaeha's behavior came to be.
But the struggle I have is accepting the way Jaeha loves or confirming that what Jaeha feels towards Eunho is love.
Like I said, I never dated or befriended someone like Jaeha or you.
That's why i have all these questions.

Now I think I kinda get it.
The way you love is like grey and toned down instead of like all the way blazing Red.

I guess not everyone is the same when they fall in love.

Hmmm I've read the comment above yours. And they seem to explain themselves well and how they point out that it's true, that there are just people who struggle a lot internally even when they're in love 110%. And the struggles they have with themselves don't disappear even when they find someone important.

I guess you and me are the same when we fall inlove. We just let go of inhibitions and do absolutely everything for our significant other.

I guess we just gotta accept that not everyone loves the same way.

if you have questions, feel free to ask.
i just see it a lot in friends and in myself. these walls we subconsciously put up. a lot of times we don't realize we are doing it. not until someone points it out or years later, you get the light bulb. and are just sitting there like "Well, crap. now how do i go about fixing this?". (fixing the wall.)
i sympathize a lot with Jaehea, because not at all for the same reasons, but i had one parent that walked away after rejecting me. it's really hard to get past. i was in therapy for years. (my mom and brother because of him too.)
In his case, at least it seems this way to me. is that his mom walked out. he innocently fell in love and had his heart stomped on, had his dad reject his. and thus the sex friend relation with the other guy (at the start of the series.). he was done i think. and here is pure little Eunhou, who literally sees the world in rose color.
i think he was in love with him. If you pay attention, he was falling for and i think even starting to trust him. to trust "this". (which is hard to do). and the meet up with the mom and sister, Eunhou messing around and almost getting them caught, and the words his mom and sister said. i think it tossed him back into that negative place. almost like a splash of cold water.
making him think "i could destroy his family like i did mine", and probably such thoughts. if he had been suffering some version of depression, those incidents were most likely a trigger, settling him into a negative, black place. that is not easy to crawl out of. and your head will tell you to think the worst. (seen voldemort whispering to harry potter?? it's like that.)

Everything makes sense now! Now Jaeha makes sense!
And I now that I do understand things better, I feel helpless.
Like, what can I do to make him let go of the hurt?
I want to help him to brave and strong. I hope Eunho does that.
I know this is fiction, but I can't help feel strongly!!

It's weird that we both are reading the same manhwa but completely absorb it differently.
I think I focused more on Eunhos pain and didn't quite get Jaeha simply because I couldn't relate with him. I didn't mean to be a bitch. Gomenazai!!

Thank you for helping me understand and for sharing your story.
Let's go out for icecream???

no, you so are not a bitch. i agree, it's nice to see others looking from different perspectives, then coming together and talking about theirs, peacefully.
i always related to Jaehea. i wasn't even rooting for Eunho at the start, i was rooting for the sex friend. it's not that i didn't like him, i just felt he''s a bit young and pure, and i wasn't sure he could give Jaehea what he needs in the long run.
i feel like Jaehea needs someone by his side who can see past the pain. to just honestly love him and respect him. (at the start, Eunho did do that). but i think he needs someone to stand side by side, equally supporting each other, who gives him a gentle push when he needs it, but also understands when they need to back off and let him go at his own pace. someone who he doesn't need to apologize to but understands, when he has these negative moment. someone who won't easily back away, but not a stalker vibe, like the one currently going on.
i feel strongly about the characters too! :)

I’m older and was married. It was a good, happy time in my life. Passion and fireworks are great (with none you might as well be friends), but ultimately a partner is who you want to spend your life with. Nothing is better than a person who accepts you 100% for who you are. Having each other’s backs using your strengths to compliment each other. I was good with finances and he was good dealing with people. Do you see Jaeha ever being a partner? He’s too wrapped up in his own insecurities. Can you imagine how exhausting it would be to be with someone you constantly has to chase and reassure? That’s why I said he needs to love himself first and gain confidence before he could ever be a good partner to anyone.

i've been in that kind of relationship myself for seven years. the type of relationship where, we may have both had insecurities as bad as Jaehea. (we both grew up in abusive homes, both from our dads). But even at our lowest, we were still considerate to one another. It was both our jobs, that when one of us was upset, we would cheer the other person up, listen to them, and make each other hear that we love them with scars and all. I agree, i don't know if i can see Jaehea doing that any time soon. But eunho is kind of, almost too innocent as well. i myself know, it can be really hard to connect with guys like him, whose biggest hardship in life, was that his crush didn't notice his feelings.

He may have had a happy life, but somehow he’s still pretty perceptive (fiction right). No ones perfect. Like you said, both of you have insecurities, but you have each others backs.its impossible to like anyone 100% of the time, but Jaeha always seems to be wearing a mask and has hurt multiple people. Exwife even said it wasn’t about the photo but rather that h couldn’t be open and honest. Yet he seems focused about the person who took the photo and spread it.

ironically, only in his one not-a relationship, his sex friend from the beginning, was he open and honest with. even vulnerable with him. Truthfully, that's why i liked him and his sex friend better. He saw Jaehea for who he was, and loved him still. He easily opened his arms to him, so he would relax and feel secure. i think they could of actually had something good between them. Only with him, Jaehea didn't seem to wear his mask, of trying to appear perfect.

I think oneday they are gonna fk anyway...Hyung and subin are so boring together

Well I cant say better Thank you Daya Thank you

Amen, sis, amen! I totally agree

I dropped out this webtoon after seeing some spoilers from the Korean raws. The author totally fucked up the plot, what a shame.

THANK YOU, I'm so glad someone finally said it! Even though I knew it was coming, I still wasn't prepared for how massively disappointing this last chapter was (and the whole series in general). Having Hyunwoo chase after Subin in those first panel seems like a mean jab to Hyungwoo x Subin readers, what was the whole point? What's the point of continuing to tease Hyungwoo x Subin and what could have been when he ends up with Hyung anyway? I feel so cheated investing time into this series expecting Hyunwoo x Subin only to have the artist change her mind more than halfway through the series - and not because she originally intended to, but primarily because it's what fans wanted.

The story was all over the place wanting to be about Hyungwoo x Subin initially then rapidly shifting to a Hyung x Subin coupling. All those chapters that were focused on Subin and Hyungwoo's past as well as the internal conflict they both continually have concerning one another was wasted. I mean, what was the whole point? Subin's character growth is intimately tied to his relationship with Hyungwoo because it gives him reason to reflect and question his actions. As much as I like Hyung, he seemed to be on a totally different page from Subin. He was obviously the nice stable guy that got hurt - which I do hate - but their relationship was ultimately boring and effected no change.

I think the artist obviously placed this in a college setting so that we could watch these characters navigate a crucial time in their lives. They're young and still trying to figure out their place in life both romantically and career-wise. Hyungwoo's character had a lot of potential for character growth as we see towards the end. He was at a crossroads attempting to get his life back on track all the while confronted with a huge question about his sexuality. While I agree his actions were very ass-holish at the start, they were still very understandable and forgivable. The way some of you guys talk about him, you would have thought he raped and killed Subin. This in the face of the face of the continual rape and noncon that dominates BL and where the most popular BL series feature heavy dubcon/noncon material.

Hyungwoo, while a bit of a douche, makes very human mistakes, which makes him much more relatable and interesting, IMO. Ugh, so much wasted potential in this manhwa. We could have seen Subin and Hyungwoo face some very personal obstacles to end up with one another in a happier place because they earned it. Instead, Subin gets a boring job that his boyfriend/significant other helped him get and suddenly he's all tears because he's sooo in love with Hyung because what, why? Because he let him live with him? Because Hyung wanted him? I guess maybe one of those could be reason enough, but it was all so poorly executed and rushed that I didn't feel it. At least in comparison to what could have been. Bleh, not reading anything else by this artist again. This will be one of many that get lost in sea of mediocre material out there.

I do agree u with u but u know
Sometimes desperation is a part of love , and to be used to someone and feel incomplete without them is a part of love ,
I do think it was a sense of desperation at first , but u can see how hyung developed feelings for him , and it really happens , at first sometimes it isn't love but it grows and becomes really strong u know ?

I am just content that the author conveyed that if u like someone they don't have to return ur feelings , the opposite happens in almost every manga be it shoujo or yaoi , or shounen , if the MC was the main character , then DUH , the other main character SHOULD RETURN the feelings ? , wtf....

It is actually refreshing how it didn't happen ,
And also I know u all r saying that hyunwoo is bi or something but the fact that he had a GIRLFRIEND not a boyfriend at the end .....makes me feel habit uneasy and says he still swings that way ,
Maybe hyunwoo just felt pity for subin , maybe he felt obligated to return the feelings considering how long they were friends , maybe he loves him genuinely as friends and he clearly stated that he wants everything to return before all this happens ,
I think hyung was more honest with his feelings and actually have LOVE feelings for subin , maybe hyunwoo has them but not as strong , or even friendships or brotherhood feelings ,
He was an ass about lying that they didn't do anything that night , I know , but I would have done the same tbh , being scared is really ...scary ..

It isn't about team hyung or team hyunwoo , both had their reasons for what they did , hyunwoo always did it half heartedly , while hyung always went all the wy out , even when subin , wanted hyunwoo to chase him , u can see how half heartedly he just went out and looked at his footsteps , while hyung always calls him and makes sure he feels safe ...(hyunwoo is reactive not proactive )

I think the author wanted to convey , sometimes it is about working hard to make a relationship work , feelings are conveyed by actions , hyunwoo was still fazed and not settled , and I doubt even if subin waited for him , he would have never been able to settle down and subin would have been more miserable , they needed to be desperate for a while to clear things , and things worked out for them both


Actually with a plot like this , it happens more often than the clichéd ending of ur love falling for u , .....it is brilliant ... ╮(￣▽￣)╭

idk what happened with the author, like she really needed to finish the series asap & just gave us a wtf ending. Subin is still irritated with hyunwoo like he did not change in 2 yrs. But as they say, the more you hate the more you love. Sooner or later the two of them will fuck again. You know how subin gets easily swayed. Hahaha. But seriously, the series has so much potential that im so disappointed it ended this way.

And also for someone shaky as subin a reactive person would he a disaster and will only bring him misery ...he need someone stable ...like hyung , it wouldn't be healthy if it were with hyunwoo , I see hyung loves subin more , but even if it was vice versa , , even if they loved him equally or hyunwoo loved him more , it wouldn't work

I relate to subin so much , I'm as shaky as him , I get swayed way too easy , he needs someone persistent , stable , he needs someone proactive , he needs someone who actually swings that way , or else he will live all his life questioning whether hyunwoo loves females or not , for someone as hyunwoo , he wouldn't give him assuarnace , nor security , ...at all ,
If I were subin I would actually choose the same thing , do the exact same thing , and I relate to subin so much ....

Yes i think so too. I had high hopes for Hyunwoo cause i did like his character butwith hyung and subin there wasnt much connection with both of them.

Yah, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who felt it was rushed. I don't know for sure if this has to do with the Lezhin business and her wanting out of her contract with them, but it didn't feel like Hyung was originally the intended love interest. There's rumors that she bowed to fan pressure and went with Hyung because of it, which is silly if true. If I wanted fans to write the story, I'd read fan fiction ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

It’s true that she focused more on Hyunwoo and Subin’s relationship throughout the manhwa and I’d honestly love a good cliche where hate turns to love. And how the ending shows that Subin didn’t expect to see Hyunwoo again was kinda heart wrenching. Ngl I teared up too when Hyunwoo tried to chase after Subin after he moved out. Like what was he gonna say?? Hyunwoo was never bi anyway and he loves Subin platonically. Subin’s feelings for him bothered him in the beginning and it’s understandable?? But I really like how they developed throughout the manhwa and that the artist decided to keep them as platonically in love instead of romantically. Their personal development is also amazing like Hyunwoo learned to let go of noona?? Amazing. And Subin most probably took advantage of Hyung’s affection in the beginning. But soon he obviously felt it was wrong and felt uncomfortable living off of him. I guess that’s where he realised he doesn’t want to hurt Hyung and idk he somehow fell in love w him. So cliche haha, and yeah she did rush through Subin and Hyung’s relationship. She focused more on Hyunwoo and Subin and maybe that’s why most people are disappointed with it. I honestly want to see more of Hyunwoo and Subin I’m praying she’ll release some extras or maybe a q&a session to explain why she took this path. Hyung could’ve been a more exciting character, true. But it’s cool to see bl that’s not sex and romance centred. It’s the first time I’ve read bl that ends in friends staying friends lmao frustrating but characters all grew up and I’m happy with that.

You make some good points, maybe it was pity, maybe it was a sense of obligation, and maybe it was genuine love that Hyungwoo felt for Subin, but we'll never know because we never got to find out. I believe the story was meant to explore both their burgeoning feelings for one another and eventually these issues would have been resolved. If we're talking realism (as some have mentioned), then it would have been realistic to have expected some adjustment and self-reflection from Hyunwoo. I think people are too used to the insta-love trope where the characters defy convention and immediately adapt to suddenly loving someone of your own sex. I doubt it's so easy to come to that realization in real life and it felt like some fans resented the fact that Hyunwoo wasn't crazy in love with Subin from the get-go (though he did admittedly act like a jackass).

And I think it's too early to paint Hyunwoo's efforts as half-hearted. Recall that both men are in different places in their lives. Hyung is older and is in a very stable part of his life where he's assured of his career and sexuality. Hyunwoo is just coming off a military stint and is trying to adjust to civilian life and get his life back on track. I'm not saying I like how he originally treated Subin, but it must have also been difficult having to deal with Subin's outright overtures when he believed himself to be straight and in love with another woman.

We were finally getting to the part where we were seeing things from Hyunwoo's perspective and how he might have misunderstood his feelings for Subin. Unfortunately, those moments of self-reflection were cut short when the artist opted for Hyung and decided to end the series. I think given time Hyunwoo would have devoted more effort to wooing Subin, but he was still trying to figure out his feelings. Its premature to judge how Hyunwoo would have been as a boyfriend since we never got to see him be one, nor is it fair to brand him as unstable when the circumstances surrounding the instability of his life are not within his control. IIRC, he's working hard and very focused on his music career, which is more direction than Subin has shown. The fact that he seems successful two years later speaks in his favor.

I wouldn't have minded him choosing Hyung had there been more development between him and Subin and had Subin shown himself to genuinely love Hyung when they were together. Half the time they were together, it seemed like Subin was just using him as an emotional crutch to avoid facing his issues with Hyunwoo. The series was badly paced towards the end, so I didn't buy their happily ever after. Like I said, there was wasted potential here and while some would argue that the ending bucked the trend, it was at the same time a very predictable and safe one, too.

Oh I agree, I thought Hyunwoo did a lot of growing and still had a ways to go, IMO. I appreciate that there are people who can see Hyunwoo as a character beyond just being a jackass because it does dismiss the fact that there was development for his character. But I see how can people enjoy that their friendship remained platonic, too. I just had issue with the artist and some of her choices as well as some of the crazy fan reaction towards Hyunwoo, as if he were a character beyond redemption. But I would also love to read some of the artist's thoughts as well, so that we can get a better understanding of the decisions she made for this manhwa. It's unfortunate that there is a language barrier and we are unable to read these artists' tweets and thoughts.

It was originally this artist's unique approach that made the story very appealing from the get-go for me, too. I thought it was refreshing that they were really like a bunch of guy friends where one of them just happened to be gay and in love with his other friend, lol.

Aaa I didn’t realise I sent it anonymously. Also yes!! I don’t understand why people hate Hyunwoo so much just from how he treats Subin. He clearly still cares for him and naturally it shocked him to know his best friend is actually in love with him. It really isn’t fair to say Hyunwoo don’t deserve to end up with Subin when there’s clearly a potential that they could. The artists just decided a different twist. Hyung could’ve had a better personality and as much as I want extras centred on Hyunwoo and Subin, I really want some fillers on Hyung and Subin so we can atleast know how Subin really fell in love him. Bcs like you said, their relationship was def rushed. Reck really pulled me in with that angsty title and description too lmao. We love a good cliche, but what she did here is definitely unexpected haha

Hyunwoo was really vague , he couldn't possibly be in a healthy relationship with a person with serious self-acceptance issues like subin
Sub in would never be satisfied by his vague actions , it is not about how young hyunwoo is , he seems like that in his he deals with his problems in general (u see , HE WAS SURE ABOUT HIS FEELINGS TO NOONA , ) and was vague after he told her , he seems to be inside his mind rather than outside his mind making action
It wouldn't work , subin would be insecure most of the time , and fucking afraid of the future with hyunwoo , he would be miserable ...

It is that hyunwoo likes things to never change it seems , he wants to remain as they were , he may ignore a lot of things for the sake of it even , it would bring sub in crazy

Honestly any more chapters would have been a waste of time and unnecessary for the sake of making the story longer
Hyunwoo did have a choice and he chased after noona , I don't know how many chances are u guys willing to give hyunwoo , I mean , basically he hurt him more than 2 times , I don't think I'm capable of forgiving him that easily ,
Besides , u can see the fear subin has always benn in while being with hyunwoo while how he was basically using hyung at first
I know what u r talking about , but what more development would be between hyung and subin , they both seem healthy and trying hard and have mutual emotions , .....it is not a kids show where they have to confess more than 100 times to call a relationship real or functioning as long as they both care for each other and actually TRY HARD for each other ,
Sub in having all these issues about self acceptance wasn't half hearted with either of hyung or hyunwoo , it isn't about age really ...
U see
Subin did his all to hyunwoo more than one time only to be pushed by him each and evey time ,
Subin told hyung he wanted to forget at first , was basically using him , then he felt secure ...wanted ..and in the end loved ......u can't blame him for choosing that after all he had been through ....

I think your're reply is skipping that fact that Hyunwoo had feelings for Noona. He had NEVER thought of his best friend that way!! Yes he didn't have to be a asshole but Subin nor the readers should have expected him to just be on board. Also if adding extra chapters would drag the story imagine how we feel reading all of the chapters focused on Subin & Hyunwoo-for what?? Hell it could've just been a nice and stable story about Subin & Hyung. But then I wonder how many would still be on here saying it was the greatest love or how many will be like meh, it was alright... Let's be honest-Hyunwoo role being switch from love interest to villian is the only interesting thing about Subin & Hyung relationship. Just like the author started writing all the unnecessary chapters introducing Hyung she could have chosen to develop both Subin and Hyunwoo as I think she originally intended. It would've made for a better story and ending.

Yes! I know it shouldn't be such of a surprise that fans in the romance genre tend to always divide firmly into two camps for love triangle scenarios. While I'm not deriding anyone for picking one or the other, it's often the Team A or Team B mentality that creates bias among readers, often times clouding people's ability to have a civil discourse where we attempt to view characters and their actions objectively. Of course I'm sure there are many people who have very rational and fair reasons for choosing one love interest over another, but based on many of the posts I've read on the discussion of Hyung vs. Hyunwoo, a majority of people just seemed to hate Hyunwoo because he was an asshole to Subin at the beginning.

While it's certainly true that his behavior towards Subin was very poor, people seemed absolutely closed-minded towards any type of redemption for Hyunwoo and were unwilling to at least examine his actions based on his perspective. I dunno, I felt if people were attracted to the "realism" aspect of this manhwa then they should have appreciated that one of the love interests was clearly written with this theme in mind. We're all gray characters who make mistakes, often times unsure of our place in life trying to navigate the murky waters of adulthood the best way we can.

I think if the artist does write extras, it would have to be about Hyung and Subin since they're the main couple now. Having some extras would definitely flesh out their relationship a bit more, but at this point I'm not very interested, lol. However, I do hope she throws a bone for people who do care about their relationship and gives you guys more (⌒▽⌒)