
I can't believe the author of lack of love did this.
This is shit. Cheap shit.
The characters are ALLLLLLLLL, but I mean ALL! Despicable! The MC, the ML, the side characters, all of them fcking suck. Their personalities are the worst, and they're so inconsistent, like wtf???
Man this is not character development, this is Pokémon evolution, and you want me to appreciate them? How? Who even could?
You can very well set up some tragic past or events here and there, there's just no way of getting attached to such fickle, arrogant and detestable assholes.
Honestly I don't even know how I managed to finish this story, every 3 chapters starting ch25 I had to check how much were left, and the only reason I finished it was because I couldn't have hurt myself so much to just give up half way.
I've been frowning from chapter 3, and never stopped till I reached this very page I'm writing on right now. I've frown so fcking much that I feel like the upper side of my head have been smashed into a brick wall and plastered.

The story looks quite dark in the first chapters
-and actually is-
But it was very well balanced with the funny moments, heart breaking, heart warming and terrifying ones.
I'm usually annoyed when there are too much sex scenes and end up skipping them, but in this story, they were surprisingly primordial, their relationship develops through them and it was an interesting approach.
And ffs I love their relationship so much, I love their interactions, I love the side characters especially mustache servant, he was such a sweet man. Soon also, she's adorable.
Also loved Beom and Muhu's interactions, they're hilarious.
You must be mentally prepared for the side stories, which are actually the ending and holy fuck, I loved it. Killing the main couple is so rare and it made their story complete, that they would die so young and abruptly in this era was actually so coherent. Even the reincarnation thing made sense with their final wish to the wisteria tree.
I would have liked to know if the little brother was cured, and what was his illness, as well as beom brother's full story.

I was also confused by the age gap at first in the side stories,
then I realized that their ages are not specified in the main story, but we do know that geum hoo is actually a fully grown man, that he was in the military then dropped out after the tragic events in his family and raised his little brother by himself
He seems to be around 12, 14 years old?
whereas Beom seemed quite young and inexperienced in life, he basically grew up alone and survived by prostituting himself.
So the age gap has always been here, the side stories just showed them earlier in their reincarnated lives than the main story, which explains why it was so obvious there.

12,14 >> geum hoo's little brother, sorry it was badly phrased xD
And yea like I said the side about their reincarnation seems to be happening earlier in their lives.
In the main story, geum hoo seems to be in his mind 30 and Beom early 20.
In the side story Beom celebrates is 18th (?) birthday and geum hoo looks about twenty something?
Where it doesn't make sense now that I think of it is that Soon and geum'little bro are adults and getting married so I don't really know what to do of the timeline xD

Ohhh that makes more sense lol i was so confused at first thought u meant geum was 12, 14 (・Д・)
I feel like the ages were changed mostly because the author might be into this minor and adult thing which is like a thing a lot of bl and yaoi authors are into for some reasons they almost always include these in their stories and it’s so frustrating and creepy at this point (ಠ_ಠ)
I will never get whats so hot about a Minor and a grown Adult being “in love” its just pedophilia that really shouldn’t be normalised like this

Depiction of Stockholm syndrome and burnout for Jung hoon and Lima syndrome, narcissistic personality disorder and trauma due to abuse for Hyunjae.
I didn't like the story, the ending was... brutal? And honestly I couldn't get attached to any of the characters.
The art was great if it wasn't for that weird ass habit of the author of drawing HEARTS everywhere in violent sex scenes, and the overuse of ahegao was seriously too much.
The few tentatives at comical figures didn't work, as the story was way too dark.
The plot was interesting though and I wish the author would have focused more on this than on the rape scenes,
at some point okay, we get it. The "protagonist"
-can I still call him a protagonist tho?-
gets raped in the worst and most violent possible ways by literally each and every single men that ends up in a room with him.
We don't need so many details and above all, we don't need fucking cute hearts drawn everywhere around that distorted bleeding butthole ffs
Sorry but this made me extremely uncomfortable.

What the fuck is wrong with those tags????
You guys need... I don't even know what you need. A doctor probably. Or an army. An army of doctors. What the fuck.
The only right tag was rape. ALL the others were bullshit. BDSM? Seriously? BDSM is consensual bitches go do your homework instead of wasting away MY sanity on illegal porn websites.
{Weird font}this is the most adorable SHIT WHAT? Please define "adorable".
Romance. ROMANCE. RO???? What the mother fucking hell is going on here, you fucking terrorists.
Hot? You guys think this fucking assault is HOT???
Look I have many other questions, at least as many as the "popular tag for this manwha", but I'm just gonna ask one:
. WHY? .

Is there something happening in this story?
Is there a plot?
I dropped it at Ch 15 since all they did so far was fucking. In each and every chapters they fuck. There's nothing lovable in those characters and there's not even a story I can read ... I mean... If I only want to see sex, I have pornhub and the "art" there is way better
So is there something happening at some point or will it be 53 chapters of bland characters having bland sex here, there, in this place or that one?

Ah??? So something DOES happen in this manwha?
Shit.... Maybe I'll resume later, but right now I'm looking for some light shounen ai comedy or something, I've been very unlucky lately with my read, the tags on mangago have kinda become trolls'main activity, the research only lead to awful stories tagged "adorable" "interesting", "shounen ai" "romance" for gang rape shit. I've seen enough bruised/bleeding butts and 40cm long light sabers for now x')

I'm always worried when I start a yaoi about the character development. I didn't expect the protagonist to REGRESS.
In just a few chapters, he became an insupportable spoiled diva capricious and boring. I just couldn't sympathize with him.
I ended up dropping it at Ch 29 because the only character who seemed interesting was the one who appeared the less, and the plot was way too light for me to stick till the end.
Not my thing.
I have quite a bit of a problem here.
I simply don't get it. The more I read them, the less I understand. These Dom sub... Verse?
I already had a hard time with omegaverse and honestly, I have turn off my brain completely while putting all my focus on one thing that I find nice when I read one, but in this dom sub thing, it just doesn't work.
First, are the authors trying to... Like, legitimate and randomise BDSM? And make it credible on a biological level?
In omegaverses, they still use biological functions and mix them between sex and, uh... Cat. Biting the female neck is a cat thing, to prevent her from running away because male cats have thorns on their penises. The whole heat/rut is also a cat thing, the nest thing as well (for pregnant females) and so on.
It's honestly pure bullshit but at least we can trace the origins, the process behind the creation of this.... Thing.
I guess the first creator of omegaverse had a weird zoophilic fetish?
But what about this dom sub stuff?
How did they come to make it a subgender and stick biological reactions in it?
Thus, I don't understand the biology of this.
They say there are Dom's
-omg my autocorrect is not letting me write it!-
subs, switches and normals. Which mean it is not normal, right?
So what about these "sub levels" and why are they always seeing a generalist doctor instead of a psychiatrist? Where does it come from, what kind of... Hormones? Are at work here?
Or is it some kind of illness?
Is it a way to romanticise bondage and domination plays?
But ... Why?!?
I seriously cannot wrap my head around it.
I’m happy someone else is logical like me and also isn’t a big fan of omegaverse.
My brain was trying to understand this as well! My brain is still trying to understand how they know when a female is born in the omegaverse. I know they get tested in elementary school for the secondary gender but what about their main gender? Like my point is, what sets them apart as kids? because as adults you can clearly tell a female alpha apart from a male one due to her being feminine. I’m going insane and wanna talk to the creators and pick their brains
Like I get it’s just a store and doesn’t have much meaning but I’m the type of person who needs answers
Yes true! I wondered as well and tried to find yuri or hetero omegaverses to get answers but I haven't found a single one!!
Omegaverse seems to be exclusive to yaoi but if anyone knows of other genres omegaverse, feel free to share it! We need answers!
And on this domsubverse as well starting with the name? I don't even know how to call it... Even if you don't agree with me, ESPECIALLY if you don't agree.
I'm genuinely trying to understand.
BDSMverse maybe?
This is why I think they don’t have it for yuri because it would turn basically hetero unless they make the alpha have both parts. I feel like hetero wouldn’t really need a omegaverse since the males are already controlling and females can get pregnant. I’m not going to lie but I get annoyed when they put a girl in BL or a guy in GL that isn’t family and starts unnecessary drama Like I like the idea of my favorite couples having kids but they could’ve just left out the other stuff lol
Also do female betas and omegas have vaginas? I mean I know that isn’t the point since it’s about cis men but I wanna know lol
I also realized when a couple have a baby it’s always male, are they assuming until puberty? I can’t remember the couple’s name but they said they had a girl and that’s what made me question the main gender part
I saw others call it subverse, which makes it seem like sub and switch, when you say omegaverse…..we automatically know what you mean
This is just someones fetish content why are you two trying to big brain the biological properties of a made up human sub species
OF COURSE I'm asking myself questions, I'm not watching reality-tv here so I obviously want to find some kind of meaning and logic in this new trend.
There are more and more of those.
If I could be satisfied with nonsensical shits I would just go to contemporary art performances.
Also some people seem to like it, so there must be something that I don't understand yet.
It can t be some pure bullshit fetish for horny rebellious teenagers, I'm sure there is more to it.
I HOPE there is more to it or else, it is just very dangerous to randomise BDSM, this is not to be taken lightly.
I'm having flashbacks of the Vietnam when 50 shades of grey came out and all the kids suddenly started to find it hot and attractive, lots put themselves in harm way physically and mentally, remember?
Let's take some time to reflect on things, THIS doesn't hurt anyone.
Well according to lots of explanations on these omegaverses, males omega have a womb lind to their anus, the problem lies with female alphas who seem to have... A penis.
At some point I just told myself that the extra stuff must grow like some kind of weird ass mushroom at puberty.
I've read some times ago a manga where an omega boy gets raped by the female apha sister of his boyfriend (something like that) so I supposed even in hetero there could be an omegaverse concept. Couldn't find it though xD
Oh, there are some baby girls in omegaverse, but my assumption is that since gay shit are mainly aimed at women, they assumed that we'd prefer baby boys? Just a wild guess on my part, I have not even the shadow of a proof x')
As for the name of this new trend, regarding the comment of that other reader I'm about to personally rename it sexual russian roulette verse. I'm even more unsatisfied now ><
I can't speak for every Omegaverse, but for the most part they are raised as "normal"/beta kids until they get their secondary gender. So they do have male/female standards and stuff that we have. So when babies are born they do in fact have biologically female/male genitals. Hence "boy" and "girl". So yes, beta females and Omega females have vaginas. Only biological mysteries are Omega males don't generally have vaginas but do have "wombs" that they develop in puberty, and that female alphas are able to extend their clitoris into (psuedo?)dicks that can impregnate. Yes there are Yuri Oemgaverse, can't name some off the top of my head but if you're really curious search for it lol, they can be pretty cute. There are also A female/O male, A female/O female, A male/O female, O male/O male that I have seen as side pairings (sometimes even as mains SuperRARE) I was an avid ABO reader (aka the original "omegaverse" created in the west in ye old days) where it was alot less mpreg and more fated pair A male× O female werewolf stuff lolol. Any more questions? I'll try best to answer
"It can't be some pure bullshit fetish for horny rebellious teenagers, I'm sure there is more to it."
The more to it is that it recreated the (sadly) normalized and romantized relationship dynamic of cishet couples where the woman is submissive to her partner and in turn gets protected, cared for etc. But reality isn't actually that nice so reading stories where women aren't featured in any major way is a safe way to indulgence in that fantasy.
And no I do not remember kids suddenly "starting to put themselves in harms way" after fifty shades, bdsm just got explored more in bad wattpad fanfiction or whatever ╥﹏╥
Wow that sucks. I'm looking for logic where the only explanation is gay BDSM is cool?
I'm disappointed.
In France it was a mess. Many 12-18 girls suddenly started to think it was cool, the grooming expanded significantly as kids would think they'd get closer to this "adult world" where a grown ass man buys you stuff and sexual interactions became way less innocent.
Thankfully most of them wouldn't ask to be hit more after getting bitchslapped one time but some others wouldn't want to lose face and ended up with more or less serious traumas.
That movie did no good in real life, as for wattpad and all, pretty sure they reacted more to the book, which was more violent and explicit but there's a WORLD between people who read and people who watch. For some reason people who read tend to think more than those babysitted by TV.
Also the book certainly didn't cause the same uproar here than that shitty movie, don't even know why it was made seriously.
Like hyenas?!!! XD
Is2g the one who came up with the concept of omegaverse had zoophilic issues x')
Oh if the names of these yuri omegaverses come back to you DM me please!!!! I've been searching for months but I couldn't find any ><
Okay first of all I mean this as gently as possible but y'all are majorly overthinking this fictional concept that hasn't even bothered to go in depth in to biology
Omegaverse isn't based on cats it's wolves is it accurate no but the origins take place during a time when the popular understanding of wolves was very very different it comes from a werewolf supernatural fanfic where the writer just wanted one person in their ship where both were cis men to be able to eat pregnant all the other features occur through people just adding features for drama and then these features for really popular things like pheromones and biting/claiming etc it's basically like the SCP universe where everyone created their own things and the most popular parts of the au stuck and became "canon" incredibly simple
The dom sub universe came after when the mainstream started becoming more ... aware of BDSM culture people took aspects of omegaverse they liked and applied it to a bastardized version of BDSM and then made it natural because everyone loves the soul mates thing
It's not some big confusing concept it's just people taking ideas they thought were cool adding to them and those ideas getting more popular and the people who are making the terminology for this aren't really thinking that deeply about it they just thought it was cool or hot or just fun there's nothing to wrap your head around
I guess there is cultural differences for the effect that movie/book had, sad to hear it had such a big impact over there.
And money is always a good incentive to make bad movies that are going to be popular ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
There are omegaverse yuri it just happens that the origins of omegaverse is happened with an MLM ship so it's more popular with mlm ships but there are yuri omegaverse hell there's an omegaverse yuri on this site that I think just ended and if you go in to fanfic spaces there's a couple of wlw omegaverse aus
Oh okay thanks for the explanation. I definitely don't like this BDSMverse then, things that has no logic at all are not my thing xD
And yes, I know I overthink. This is the cause of my insomnia and I can't really do anything about it, I don't want to stuff myself with medicine but look!
We had an interesting conversation here and I learned some things. Not sure how it will help me in my everyday life but still, I'll sleep less dumb than yesterday xD
Honestly it's better if you dont think too much about it. Domsubverse and Omegaverse are just plain ridiculous but I have nothing better to read so I just read the ones with good ratings lol. Tho I really dig the fluffy parents trope of Omegaverse.
Also there's the animalverse/beastverse/4earsverse, idk what you call it, I mean the one with human appearance but with animal characteristics (since I dislike full on beast (frickin weird asf). I like 4earsverse better than Omegaverse and Domsubverse for me ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
lol way too many responses since my last comment but the people who’re for some reason seem annoyed because we’re have a conversation about something we’re reading…..you go over anything and everything; for example when you watch a movie, you discuss what could’ve been different and what wasn’t explained.
I mean discussing and going over a manga you’re reading is part of the experience. Doesn’t make us wrong from wanting opinions from each other.
But you’re right, these universes are plain ridiculous and too many are being made. I sometimes do the same, I’ll read because of the ratings as well but usually drop it down the road plus I’m one of those who likes a completed manga so I can just read in one go.
Lmao I like the 4earverse name you picked! That always bugged me and love seeing comments discussing it. I kinda agree, I definitely don’t like any manga plot though that one gets hurt/controlled and the horrible one barely gets the cold shoulder! I mean it’s usually the uke that gets the short end and sometimes the seme but I wish they’d take time apart. I remember one manga where I thought the uke took a year or so time away from the seme….it was only a few days someone point out
Oh!!! The 4earsverse!! I know this one way to well ><
I never really was attracted to animal characteristics but at some point, I just started to read whatever the fuck was featured and completed. But these 4ears!!! It used to be a source of nightmare for me (like real nightmares lol)
until I found an exceptional one, where everything was very well explained.
Kinda seemed like a shotacon at first (since it IS the author's main occupation, I still curse the times when mangago was down and I had to go to MRM) but it's actually not one. A few suggestive panels that are quickly ridiculed but nothing explicit, but the LORE!
The lord is crazy, the author thought and explained everything, from the species characteristics to the clothes design, and even the 4ears, and it takes the form of young kids in a school with humans, beasts and half beasts. I really liked this one but it's been a while (years, actually) since I last saw it updated. I could try to find it if your interested.
But honestly I tend to avoid anything that shows pointy ears, I also avoid omegaverses as much as I can and I wish I could know before starting it for this new BDSMverse because things that aren't a minimum coherent irritate me.
Finally! Although I haven’t read those long discussions, same! Omegaverse, guideverse and dumsubverse and many more just unsettled me. It feels forced with that fated pair stuff. Then it wouldve been better with just men being able to get pregnant stuff but things like omegas being extremely weak and always being strong stuffs are hard to read!
Omg yess! I’m always thinking, if it’s “fated”, “instinct”, or whatever else…..how do you even know it’s real love since it’s just forced upon you. Can’t remember the one omegaverse name but it was when they kinda broke the whole fated partner thing and chose the one they love BUT it was still very sad. I remember some omegas just accepting the fact they can be SA by alphas
Don't even get me started on "fate".
I place it in the same category as time travel and amnesic authors who forget their story while they write them.
I just can't stand it, these three above are the ultimate politically correct way to ruin a story that nobody ever asked for.
The absolute Deus ex machina.
Comes out of nowhere to go nowhere.
That's a NOPE for me.
I tried, huh. I really tried but it was always either irrelevant in the story, or entirely fucked shit up.
Earned me a few haters in the comment section btw xD
The ones on this site that I can think of rn are Ameagari no hanayome, Perfect Heroine wants to posses me, You taste a little sweet and Best Friends. Now tell about that 4earverse about those kids that had great world building. Also I don't think you're wrong in wanting to know the history/meaning behind Omegaverse and stuff. I like the genre but I wonder about that stuff too. Like when did this come about, who were the first, how did they react, how did the rest of society react to a new "secondary gender", Do male omegas have periods...It's come to a point where I take all my reading experience and come up with my ideas. Like medieval times, what did omega males where, what did alpha females wear. Who,what, when and how did omega Civil rights movement start. Were wars started bc of fated mates. And like eventually wouldn't Alphas and Oemgas be a majority of the population (bc in most stories they make betas have "low fertility) and wouldn't that at some point even out the genders and maybe eventually lead to just As and Os?
Oh !! Thanks I'll check them out! And I'm gonna try to find this manga I was talking about ( might take a while, my personal library has grown quite a bit xD)
I'll DM you when I find it ^^
pleass update if you've remembered/found more info about that series you're talking about that
Yes, yes! It's Kemono-Human School.
Just keep in mind that the author is a fucking mad pervert who specialises in hardcore shotacon, so a few panels can be pretty cringy. But THIS manga is 100% safe.
It mainly follows young boys in their everyday life in a school for humans/beastmen.
Every detail of the universe is explained by their teachers/classmates, but the human boy you'll see the most appears like a huge pervert (basically he's just VERY curious about beastmen because he came from a school with only humans), and their interactions are pretty hilarious.
When I say VERY curious, I mean VERY CURIOUS, I swear that boy has no limit xD
You will learn everything you've ever wondered about 4earsverse and even stuff you never thought about lol.
Ah oops you weren't talking about this one xD
Well if someone else is interested... Here you go. Kemono-human school. By Kaminosaki.
DON'T LISTEN to the people in the comments.
Don't even check out his other work.
yeah i was talking about the breaking the whole partner thing by @/jamie. but thank you for the recommendation! I'll check it out
Don't check this out if your not into beastmen stuff you may just find it boring ^^
The one I was talking about just develops the lore 562% more than any other of the genre (and I on a personal level really like the interactions between the kids and their teacher)
idk what your point is, having interest in bdsm is completely normal, and people(kids)who can differentiate b/w fiction and reality shoudnt read this in the first place, plus this is just some fetish thing,its not even that serious
If kids could so obviously differentiate fiction from reality, they'd have the right to vote, but presidential elections prove that even ADULTS can't do it lol.
So let me try to find logic in stuff.
This is normal as well
?idk what your point was, you can find logic, even i was curious how the biology in omegaverse works, but you are saying "what if this become harmfull??" bro this literal porn stuff, kids are not supposed to read this any way
Just because they're not supposed to doesn't mean they don't.
It's even pretty much the opposite.
Nowadays parents don't give a fuck and instead of educating their kids, they fight to censor everything. That's how it works.
So of course seeing more and more hardcore stuff trivialised with no base, no purpose, no logic and no barriers, I worry.
Superficially. Because in the end I don't give fuck, I kept mine away as much as I could from shit I couldn't properly explain and made it clear to them what was ok, what was not and why according to my standards.
They still did whatever the fuck they wanted in the end anyways --'
There are mainly kids on this website, and it's even more obvious when you read the comments after every book shared here and holy #!@*¥ they're so full of shit that they wont listen to anything. I used to be like that too so I quite understand but still...
And when I say kids, I'm not limiting it to being of legal age, but also to being mature enough not to be triggered by any fucking thing I say.
jesus christ u do know hentai exist, this still has some base level explanation, if u read hentai they are just plotless porn with most weird fantasies, you are reading sm into some random porn
Jesus Christ what's bothering you exactly? The fact that I'm trying to find sense in this or that I mention how unhealthy it might be?
I answered your two questions yet you're still here stating the obvious without saying anything.
yeah acutally both of them, you are trying to find sense in porn and also mentioning how harmful this may be when this just a porn, and there is nothing weird in it, it has no pedophilic, nor rape, nor incest ideas, and if kids/children are the concern, then all porn(hentai) should be banned shouldn't it?
its just a bdsm fantasy, and having interest in bdsm is normal
Okay, first, no. Being interested in BDSM is not "normal" it varies from each and every person. It is just a kink, and not the safest one, as it CAN hurt.
It is not yet abnormal but it certainly ISN'T normal.
2) no one talked about banning it. I DO read it as well, but I'm not then gonna simply IGNORE the risks, I'm not THAT irresponsible.
3) yes, there is weird in it.
Bringing a very potentially harmful fetish at a biological level without even trying to build a lore to justify it thus trivialising it IS weird;
Yet I didn't just pop to point out how dangerous it might be, ok?
I asked and tried to understand because I'm a curious and quite open minded person;
But seeing how you make a fuss about my interrogations, it makes me even more sure of how unhealthy and stupid this genre is.
Pedophilia, rape and incest are not the only dangerous thing in porn, BDSM is an entire part of this category and if it was THIS normal, there would be ropes and whips in most couples' bedroom.
So you can dislike my comment, and you can give me your opinion, but being pissy and trying to change my mind with obvious sofism in a very aggressive and argumentless way won't take you anywhere.
bro bdsm revolves around consent, and aftercare ,safeword i wouldnt had said shit if u didnt made bdsm seem weird, and again this is in no way harmfull, there is a fine line between reality and fiction, its just a porn fantasy hentai, now if u bring ppl who cant distinguish b/w reality and fiction then any smut is harmfull in that regard? and there are ropes and whips in couples bedroom who have interest in bdsm, and arent you the one saying "if this was normal" thats the whole point, it is not? its like saying if omegaverse was normal, if u have interest in bdsm then do it or then dont, why are u trying to consider, a pure fantasy hentai, which involves kink as smth to be considered in real life? this is my opinion.
again, its just a fantasy hentai built only for fetish purposes, and you are trying to find meaning in that, yk there are hentai where the girl lays eggs when she is filled with semen of some other species and her stomache bulges out, thats a whole different level of unormality isnt it? but its just a fetish hentai, solely built for the purpose of getting off to it, you cant find meaning in that
Look, this is NOT an argument. I feel like hearing a kid being told off for whatever by the teacher and retaliating with "but i'm not the only one!"
some comic books manage to build a universe that somehow makes sense, and my question's only purpose was to know if this one did too.
It was very well answered by other readers that no, it's not. and I even managed to learn some random stuff in this conversation so I still don't know what you're fussing about.
I think, even though my level in english is very low and basic, i managed to make very clear that
[ I ]
was asking to satisfy
[ MY ]
curiosity, I'm sorry if it is not the case and I'll take any grammar advice given to me. But you're still not presenting any argument here.
Also I don't know what hentai you re talking about but you sure read some weird shit xD give me the link please x')
and you sound like a kid trying to make sense into some fiction porn, if you were simply curious about what exactly is their biology that makes thing happen, i would had actually agreed with you, since when i read omegaverse i always wonder how does the male anotomy work, how do they get pregnant, do they have smth like a magical uterus, but you are saying that this is harmful, and bdsm is not healthy or smth along the lines, thats where i have the issue, because, this is just some porn shit, its not at all harmfull, and having interest in bdsm is perfectly normal, and i dont personally read those hentais, but if u actually want link i can give u in dms, those are quite popular on nhentai
Did you actually reply to my comment without even reading it... ?
i did not reply to your original comment, your original comment was fine, even i agreed to parts of it, its what you said in your replies
okay so before you start spiting anymore bullshit, I think we both need to make things clear, ok?
BDSM DOESNT!!! mean in Bed Do Sex with Me.
BDSM means Bondage Domination Sadism Masochism
Just to make sure that my bad english wont twist things, i'm going to google and copy paste these definitions.
Bondage;
1) The state of one who is bound as a slave or serf.
2) A state of subjection to a force, power, or influence.
3) The practice of being physically restrained, as with cords or handcuffs, as a means of attaining sexual gratification.
Domination;
1) Control or power over another or others.
2) The exercise of such control or power.
3) The fourth of the nine orders of angels in medieval angelology. (didn't even know this)
Sadism;
1) The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.
2) The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty.
3) Extreme cruelty.
Masochism;
1) The deriving of sexual gratification, or the tendency to derive sexual gratification, from being physically or emotionally abused.
2) The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
3) A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.
Normal;
1) Conforming with, adhering to, or constituting a norm, standard, pattern, level, or type; typical.
2) Functioning or occurring in a natural way; lacking observable abnormalities or deficiencies.
3) Relating to or designating the normality of a solution.
Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition
Even you, as unwilling as you are, should see the problem in what you are saying, solely based on these definitions.
Other than sexual particularities, I believe the only occurrences of these are in torture and bullying.
I may be wrong and I'd be willing to hear about other occasions in which B, D, S & M may occur.
These are my arguments.
I'm not just spouting nonsensical bullshit just to make you, or/and other who share your opinion, appear like some dumb fuckers okay?
And I'm not going to write it again in a different manner to try to make you understand. If you still don't get it, it's time YOU do something about yourself.
If you don't have any valuable arguments, just shut up, or insult and block me, but stop wasting my time trying to legitimate an obvious shit such as "being interested in bdsm is normal and it's harmless".
thanks for explaining nothing to me, as someone who participates in bdsm in personal life, let me tell you again, bdsm isnt 50 shades of grey, and it isnt just beating up ppl randomly, it is based on trust, safeword and aftercare, everyone has some kinks and fetishes and indulging in them is quite normal,
But in the new study, researchers found people who like BDSM, which stands for bondage-discipline, dominance-submission and sadism-masochism, were well adjusted and reported slightly better wellbeing than people who don’t take part in those activities.
“We do have a lot of academic literature that’s finding these positive things and not finding harmful characteristics,” said Dr. Beverly Stiles, who has studied BDSMers but was not involved with the new research.
“The people that identify as being part of the (BDSM) subculture, this is who they see themselves as in their core,” said Stiles, chair of sociology at Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, Texas
-source, newyork reuters.
it is very different than how it is potrayed in fiction, and thats why i said there is a fine line b/w real life and fiction.
so just because someone has interest in it doesnt make them weird, or mentally unstable, its normal. and this is my argument
and that's why i fucking said that authors should be careful. didn t need to pull out a... sociologist lol out of your pocket. BDSM ISN T THE NORM. Be it in fiction or in real life.
ANd i'm saying it AGAAAAAIIIN this is getting tiring but the main audience here is very young or immature. pretty sure BEVERLY THE SOCIOLOGIST would agree that BDSM IS NOT for every one and SHOULD NOT be taken lightly.
want me to copy paste again "normal" definition ?
you re not talking to your closed circle of BDSM... ers?
the audience here is WAY larger than what BEVERLY WOULD EVEN IMAGINE and having a speech so irresponsible is unacceptable.
Since you are such BDSM enthusiast you CERTAINLY have seen the comment sections of various mangas tagging gang rape as bdsm and some readers commenting " awwww t's so cuuuuute I want to see more!"
introducing 12 years old to BDSM IS harmful and introducing it in such a light and inconsiderate way is even more dangerous. Each and every aspects of BDSM is aimed at a PARTICULAR AUDIENCE. it is NOT the NORM.
Like I said I, on a personal level, don t give a fuck about what you guys read and enjoy, and i read some way more hardcore shit, but i'm not gonna lie to myself and trivialise it because BEVERLY think it is healthy for PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY FCKING DO.
why would I worry about consentant adults? --'
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so just because someone has interest in it doesnt make them weird, or mentally unstable, its normal. and this is my argument.
No one ever said this. wait maybe some did but not me. i'm saying that it is not the case for the majority, thus it is not "normal".
it is YOUR taste, ok? YOURS, and it's not my place nor whoever's to judge
And I keep insisting that it's a very bad idea to trivialise such a practice, because as you said, it is a matter of trust, but that's not what is portrayed in 99% of the mangas about violence tagged bdsm and bdsm mangas.
Are you gonna keep playing dumb ? because if this is your only goal, okay. I apologise. you know so much and i was so wrong because i'm a stupid ass brainless bitch with no culture who does not engage in BDSM relationship which is not normal at all.
well seriously. stop twisting my words, ok? you re getting annoying. i've been very clear about what I think of trivialising shit that doesn t fit any audience, and THIS is my opinion, i never talked about people who are already into it, i hope, in a much safer way than those in the comments here. and it can be read even in some of my other comments, even not too long ago https://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/14609530/
(seriously, check this manwha, the popular tag and this Hell of a comment section)
i really think you gravely misunderstood me here.
you are right, see what i am trying to say is, if you are thinking abt the audience as the immature ppl or kids even then not only this but any porn manga is harmfull for them, and yes one of the fundamental base is trust. rape, randomly choking someone, are non consent is not bdsm.
i saw the link, u attached and you are absolutely right. maybe the meaning of bdsm has been twisted now after all these weird content which people would categorise as bdsm when its simply abuse.
but having interest in bdsm is normal and not having is also normal.
see for example, if i say i as a women like women, which majority women dont, that doesnt make me not normal, (i hope you are not a homophobe) same way if someone likes bdsm its perfectly normal, even tho majority dont,
then again if u go by the google defination, then being gay is also not normal since ppl are usually straight and then bdsm is ofc not normal,
oh right another statement, the target audience of this manga was not 12 year olds tho, they got to see it, is because of the carlessness of their gaurdians, because for 12 year olds who have no common sense, bdsm is a far matter even normal smut manga is also harmfull, this manga was targeted to 16/18+ who again (i am sorry for repeating this) can differentiate b/w reality and fiction(i hope)
because in japan these kind of smut mangas cannot be purchased by ppl below a certain age and they have clear 18+ written on their cover page, so its def not for minors,
Hey, not being "normal' doesn't instantly label you as abnormal.
Normal is just a term that applies to the majority, the norm.
If you're not normal, you can be abnormal, or particular, your status of "individual" earned you this categorisation.
Like I said, I reading way worse shit and it is not my place to judge anything or anyone.
I'm just naming things.
As for the age on the covers, it's not even enough of security since readers are also all individuals.
You can read hardcore shit at 12 and being as unphased as the moon before my naked ass or read softcore shit at 20 and be totally shocked or influenced by it.
That's why I keep repeating that some stuff are unhealthy, it is not a judgement, it's a fact.
Because we humans are fragile and malleable creature, and we often don't understandd and mix things up.
and the tiniest thing, the environment, condition, life experience, or just the wrong day, can be enough to totally fuck us up.
Now that you seem calmer, I can tell you why I didn't agree right away with your comparison to weird ass hentai
Clearly, you're most likely to get hurt by trying what you think is BDSM after reading a few manga or watching movies, since it does exist in real life, than you would by trying to lay eggs lol.
The boundary between fiction and reality gets blurrier when the topic is an existing thing, and not everyone can handle it right regardless of their age.
And I'm sorry I got heated up but you seriously missed my point, I never intended to insult anyone Or make fun of anyone's preferences.
I think omegaverse is based on wolves not cats. Someone may have already replied this but I didn’t read because the replies are insanely long.
Yes that's what I was told ^^ makes me think that those werewolves then were based on cats because these are very felines behaviours x')
So. Omegaverse is primarily male/male main pairing since it got traction as a genre with this primary pairing. There are hetero pairings and even published novels with them. Omegaverse as a genre is fairly new comparatively and has not had the time to balance out amongst other romantic pairings. This genre even made its way into supreme court over an author wanting to monopolize the genre and hetero pairings as their own.
It can also be mixed with animal characteristics as a way to play more into instincts and/or to appeal to the general interest in animal characteristics as found in other genres.
Give it time and more volume of other gender pairings will show up. Though, Yuri pairings may be an acquired taste for some since all alphas have a penis, even females. Females are also able to impregnate either female or male omegas and you can find them as background or secondary pairings in yaoi main pairing stories.
So for dom/sub. I do not see why a play needs to be legitimize. Even a lot of vanilla sex has people who like to feel a little dominated by their partner or to dominate their partner. In very vanilla ways.
Dom/sub play culture has a huge emphasis on trust and it is alright if it is not your cup of tea. This as a genre is newer than omegaverse, but is still a genre that has traction and is growing. Aspects of the genre are over fantasized aspects of the play. (I.e. the emphasis on words or power.) For those who have difficulty with dom/sub concepts, switches would be an added complication toward understanding and how they are incorporated into the rules of the genre.
Dom/sub and Omegaverse are two separate genres with their own sets of rules as to how they effect the world of the story.
Wanting to legitimize them through biological means is interesting. Humans are animals. We have pheromones. We have instincts and our own quirks. The desire to be dominated or to dominate. To feel in control or to let go and allow someone else to be in control. These are aspects that can be found in people. Biologically speaking, these are rather easy to find connections. Taking aspects or ourselves and fantasizing them is not an odd concept nor a new one.
At the end of the day, you choose to read what you want to. Your likes and dislikes are your own. If you find yourself not understanding or being uninterested in either or both genres, nothing wrong with that. My recommendation would be to simply not read them. I can see how they would be difficult genres for those who prefer more logical concepts and less fanciful or primal/instinctual based concepts.
All things considered, this story was very mild for a dom/sub genre. The main characteristics of the genre were there, but mild. A good intro to the genre but probably not as satisfying to those who have already immersed themselves.