There’s nothing wrong with Yahwi having a redemption arc (even though he doesn’t deserve it.) but the “redemption” better not lead to him ending up with Jooin. They are not meant to be, redemption or not. Yahwi has hurt Jooin for basically no reason besides him using Jooin to fill a hole inside himself, due to his trauma. He can be a better person or whatever but that relationship shit is dead.
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Sorry how are they not meant to be? Yahwi changed his complete personality just because je actually developed feelings for him there has to be at least some connection between them
I explained why they’re no meant to be?
Sorry that was just a rethorical kind of question with me stating my opinion after
Im gonna reiterate and clarify my original statement since it’s become a long thread of nonsense due to two accounts (you know who you are). POV or not, I really dont care, the first time Dan has sex with whatever his name is (and the multiple times after that), were rape. But I’ll call it SA since that seems to be more accepted here for whatever reason. The comments being the way they are, are exactly why authors need to stop making manhwa’s with tropes like this or ones that include rapey sex in general. I should not have to sit back and question “damn, did this character just get raped/SA?” Or “Man that was kinda weird”. Nor should I have to argue with some random person on the internet because they think I should say SA instead of Rape because that makes it way better??? This all boils down to not including this in manhwa’s at all. Or, if you include it, address it well. Taking this out of the plot wouldn’t have affected the story at all. Normalize not normalizing and romanticizing Rape and SA
rape is literally a form of SA what are they on about
I dont know anymore. Im just giggling and swinging my feet at them at this point. They’re so unintentionally hilarious lmaoooo
You're right but it is important to describe them separately. You can't identify it as rape but SA.
Why? I don't understand? What he did is rape and rape is sa, so there's no reason to describe them separately.
Don’t bother, its a bot.
As I told you in my other reply. I dont want you or friends think piece on rape.
My dear children, remember and always remember...forcing someone into something isn't a CLEAR yes. So no consent. Coercion is NOT consent. physically or psychological Pressuring them into sex is NOT consent. This is purely rape. I am not gonna reply to anyone who is gonna be clown here on a fucking illegal website but thank you for the show babes. Special thanks to Tmsm for smoking my brain out.
I went onto their account and they don't have anything on there except for comments on this manhwa cant take them seriously atp
Its so hilarious. Their little army of three
Are you ok? They got it out for you bad lmaooo
Toilet
Lol all good, I am just enjoying these flies flying around at this point. Jae can literally do him while he was sleeping and people will STILL defend that mf and say it's not rape. The story would be different if he was ugly.
Are you trying to summon Toilet or what? You tryna to puke out all the shit in your mouth?
Right!! But be careful, their little army might attack you for saying this!!
fr they just keep calling ppl with different opinions than theirs a troll. its fr giving me flashbacks to Quicksilver. if you don't know him, he's this guy who defends rape in bl and tries to defend himself by saying he's gay and the story is fiction. he's even said he loves it when straight homophobes get dominated (basically raped) by gay men. he even has another account where he tries to defend himself by pretending that account isn't his even tho he admitted it was his account. Crazy ppl on here
He did not rape him and rape is a form of sa. There are many reasons to describe them separately because they are describe separately.
Charmed maybe calling us bots as harassment because we are telling the truth.
Charmed is a troll.
Are you one to cocoapuffs? Can’t handle the truth so yoi call people bots showing your insecurities and sadistic behavior?
Hi I have no intentions on fighting. This is the first time seeing your account so I just want to understand why you feel it's rape. Please read well and give your thoughts. Thank you.
In chp 3 Dan consented jk and they both came to an agreement. He had the chance to say no but decided to stay. And after getting ready to shower, jk dragged him out because he was wasting his time which is understandable. After all, his jinx was very important to him and it was quite late for them to be having sex presuming jk had to be sleep and be lively for the match.
He was already annoyed but that doesn't also mean Dan deserved being pushed around like that. And when they start Dan says he can't do it anymore which jk found annoying by saying, “You think I'm some sort of joke to you, don't expect to leave here like that last guy safe and sound” I think that's what he said. But if you look at jk pov, he didn't even mean to threaten him, that wasn't his intention if you notice his next reaction at that specific moment. And Dan then said in his thoughts, “Right, I had already agreed, I can do this” I agree that Dan felt threatened but you can't say that when you look at both POVs.
In a court,
Yes judge I said he should put it in.
Yes judge I agreed to sign the contract.
Judge: Did he threaten you to agree?
Dan: He looked intimidating and he sounded angry that I was already backing out when I had already agreed. Besides, I also needed the money pretty badly and I had also consented to another 14,000 dollars thereafter because I was able to endure the first round.
(eun’s words) well in my perspective, they made an agreement that yk he can have sex with dan whenever in exchange for money so that gives consent. but the fact that jaekyung does it so forcefully is what i say is abuse, also if you look at how dan sees jaekyung in his pov jaekyung looks scarier when in reality he’s not. some scenes are being written in dan’s pov that’s why jaekyung seems like a monster but i can just hope jaekyung fixes his attitude though, dan deserves to be treated better.
This wouldn't and cannot even be considered coerced rape or SA when you look at their parts. It is Abuse. Thank you.
Saying the same bullshit over and over again. It doesn't matter if Jae didn't ''mean'' to threaten him, it still has the same effect. Yall really defending a rapist to THIS point is concerning, even on an illegal manga site.
You got the nerve to block me but still reply to my shit. Decode deez nuts bitch and stop replying to my shit. You and your friends can go jerk each other off while thinking about JK somewhere else. Stop disturbing my peace on mangago with your bullshit.
Another point: You are forgetting that Dan lied that he was experienced. Dan is solely responsible for what he's obtaining and getting from jk. Reread the chapters again from both perspectives. Thank you.
That's where the problem is, you have to investigate what it is really is. Just because it looks like it, doesn't mean it is. Jk does something and then the next reaction changes everything entirely. Please I'm not forcing you into my opinion, just give valid points that can actually oppose the motion.
hello honestly, i dropped it a long timw ago so i don't fully remember much about it but i do remember there being rape and a lot of toxic-ness and thats the reason i dropped it. i don't feel like rereading it since it makes me uncomfortable and it's currently nighttime for me but maybe in a few days i'll get the courage to reread it and come back to you to answer the question and get evidence. but you gotta be patient with me
I never heard about that?? Thats so wild. I feel like this is all one big joke tho, cause im pretty sure one of them just posted a whole fanfic??? Idk what’s going on anymore
They remind me of these crazy experiment in this movie centipede. Not know the context? Don't google it lmao.
the whole drama with quicksilver happened before the site went down so a lot of ppl forgot about it
Okay thanks. I hope we talk again soon after you reread the chapters carefully.
That makes sense
^ the reason why I blocked you.
Block = troll. Someone who can’t have a conversation or the truth, who gaslights, lies, insults, attacking, blaming the victim, harasses,
I may had acted liked you guys. Because You said it was fun but I find it to be cringeworthy
That struck a nerve huh? You unblocked little ole me just to send me a personal reply?
Look who’s inferior now? You blocked me cause you couldn’t handle what I was saying. While I haven’t blocked you once, because like i said, you aren’t saying shit that’s important. Im not gonna block you either. You can keep spewing your bullshit while I go on with my day. Toodles
okay so i forced myself to read to chapter 3 even tho it made me uncomfortable and it was lowkey hard to breathe for a while but thats fine.
i don't feel like typing out the dialogue so you can read it instead. pages 20-50.
ML grabbed mc and forced him on the bed. MC basically says he's having second thoughts about it and doesn't want to do it but ML threatens MC by saying he'll beat him up the way he beat up the other guy so MC gets scared and forces himself to go through it. ML coerced Mc into having sex with him and MC tries to force himself to think he can do it. ML also said he'll break the MC's ankles if he doesn't stop moving which obviously scares mc. MC tries to stop ML from putting his dick in but Ml pushing Mc's face down and Ml says he'll smash his head in if MC keeps testing his patients. and tells him to just take it. btw everything i said isn't in order so you should read the chapter instead. I'll continue to read it later.
Hey please read my comment of before. Thanks and I'm sorry you had to reread.
Tmsmyz should really mind their own business they cant understand you just don't care and they're just getting more upset. ppl should stop trying to talk to ppl who they've blocked cause it's useless and basically defeats the whole purpose of blocking someone.
oh no no its fine. i read your comment but decided to read it anyways because i would feel bad leaving the convo for a few days. its not your fault. if you want, we can debate it in dms instead.
and i had nothing else to do besides sleeping and i don't feel like sleeping anyways so i read it.
Literally. Well im about to mute this. I hope this entertained you LMAOOOO
Okay. We don't need to discuss this in our dms since you're not interested in the story. It was rather nice hearing your thoughts on this.
it is keeping me entertained i cant stop laughing at Tmsmyz and their behavior.
oh okay thats fine. what did you think about my answer? did it change your mind or do you still have the same opinion? I wont bother you if you still haven't changed your mind since there would be no point in arguing over something when none of us is gonna change our minds. I will always believed that the ML being a rapist is a fact and that will never change.
Yk you never even gave me reasons how it can be described separately so i'm still siding with charmed lol
I hope you read everything. I read your answer very carefully and it made me realise that we both are saying the same thing but with a different approach. You're mentioning all the actions of jk but you're ignoring other aspects that should be highly considered.
To be very honest with you, I don't even feel you have the full right to be picking assumptions when you haven't finished all the chapters. Yes, the first time they did it was very abusive but you can't refer to it using the term ‘RAPE’. The actions of jk are rough and harsh and we can all agree that jk is a narcissist when it comes to sex with his partners. He says he prefers it that way which is messed up.
But also look at the other sides of jk. Jk has indeed stopped when Dan pleaded with him and when you come to an agreement, you have to abide by it. Jk does NOT play with his jinx so he was desperate at that particular moment and the problem is also Dan who doesn't even VOICE his thoughts leaving jk clearly oblivious to how his partner must be feeling.
Dan is not a child. He would know if someone is raping him. But my poor baby gave that stupid consent and we all have to accept it. Jk didn't mean to threaten Dan, that wasn't his intention if you look at his next reaction. Observe the characters well because every action of them needs to be needed and accepted.
Sexual harassment does not translate to rape. Who taught you that? Rape, sexual assault, childhood sexual abuse, sexual coercion, sexual harassment, and behaviors that might not fit neatly into any of these categories.
These are all acts of sexual violence, but it’s important to define them separately to punish perpetrators appropriately. It’s also important these terms and the distinctions between them are clearly understood. Otherwise, it makes it difficult for people to know how to label and describe their experiences. They are completely different terms, my dear, you can never translate them to each other and they can never be the same.
“blushing/the dilated pupils/parted lips can be seen as a biological reaction tho?” It can be seen as a biological reaction but not in a manhwa or comic itself, authors draw this type of thing to show what they actually meant in the scenes. It is fiction so it has to be expressed well. Just because it looks like that doesn't mean it is. You have to view it in a manhwa manner, it is fiction, not real life. The same applies to anime.
Obviously, Dan doesn't enjoy the sex but he has started to which the author has excellently shown us. Don't ignore that my dear.
One thing your also forgetting is that Dan lied that he was experienced and jk specifically said, “Since you're experienced, I guess I don't need to go easy on you then” They all have meanings if you read carefully.
okay.
Lol. There are many topics. I am not interested in this topic. I have not read everything but I seen something.
Blocking isn’t a sign of inferiority and it doesn’t stop the communication.
https://florinroebig.com/sexual-assault-guide/
“ Rape is a form of sexual assault. However, not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. ”
What I said was the truth. You could had searched it. I am not your slave. Truth or an inferior, cowardly, violent, who can’t handle their behavior troll.
If you are not the same person. They are sadistic and will turn on you, eventually.
i said okay because i'm choosing to end the argument now. like i said before, we cant change each others opinions on this so i don't want to waste my time on it anymore. and ik i cant fully talk about the manhwa since i said i dropped it but its why i said ill reread it and give you evidence little by little with each chapter i read. but honestly, i dont see any point in this anymore so goodbye.
You are obsesseddd
Again for all the brainless flies: COERCION IS NOT CONSENT.
omg i know that rape is a form of sexual assault and its not the only form. i was talking about the male lead. how was what he did not rape but sexual assault.
my bro I here...with a cup of your fav coffee and a cupcake!! Please make these kids understand this!
Yall are weird as fuck. No way yall are defending this shit. This is exactly why manhwa creators need to stop including sex in their stories that teeter on the line of SA and Rape.
One side is defending the story has rape. If you say the story doesn’t have rape. It is “their POV of rape being in the story or be a rape apologist sicko that needs professional help.” ( defending a POV)
The other side is defending the ones that were attacking by the other side by saying there is no rape in the story.
(Defending people)
The ones making it rape is closer to your comment but I don’t think anyone is defending it. However, if someone was defending it. That is their right. They have the right to like/love this story. You have the right to hate to. You need to respect that.
You are being weird because this is a fictional story for entertainment that authors will always create and be there long after we are gone. You need to understand and differentiate from real and fantasy. If you don’t like these type of stories then why are you here?
“ that teeter on the line of SA and Rape.”. It is awesome you know this. Many on here thinks it is the same thing. When we say there is no rape. Some claim we said no SA and something similar. Sexual assault covers more than rape meaning not all forms of sexual assault will be considered rape. I know you know this but they will read. So, we can say there is no rape and see him a SA survivor.
Im not reading all that. I’ve seen you commenting the same thing over and over on everyone’s comments when you literally have nothing important to say. Just pulling shit out of your ass and spewing it everywhere like you’re speaking facts.
And I want to make it PERFECTLY clear that im not agreeing with you on anything. It’s perfectly logical for people to consider the sex in this manhwa to be rape.
Someone took time and dedication to write you. Stop being so shitty.
“I’ve seen you commenting the same thing over and again”. If you understood why you wouldn’t saying anything to berated me.
“You literally have nothing important to say”. What a pathetic joke and shitty thing to say. That means you are one of the trolls and don’t like what I have to say because it is important. You are the one with nothing to say but whine about a story and judge others. I am defending people which is important and me being a better person.
I have not pulled anything out of my ass or have I spewed anything. You told me you were inferior to me and threatened by me. Your insecurities are showing.
That is unnecessary. Your comments are disgusting.
You seem to not read my comments over and over.
The story pov does not have rape.
People can see it as rape. You are telling me what I have been saying. You are agreeing with me.
People can see it as rape but the story doesn’t hold that pov = it is perfectly logical for people to consider the sex in the manhwa to be rape.
I have said it is close to rape too.
I am a victim of cyber bullying. You have seen my aggressive behavior mocking them. I am not aggressive.
Why don’t you try to understand the situation before you judge others.
I wasnt saying what i said to be polite. I hope it came off as shitty. No on cares if you dont think its rape. I dont give a fuck about that. If that’s all your opinion is, cool. Go on about your day. Im addressing people like you, who jump down people’s throats because we (rightfully so) think something is rape or sa. Youre not respecting anyone’s opinion even tho you’re pretending you are. Youre just hiding behind the “respect everyone’s opinions” mask, even tho you clearly don’t respect anyone who disagrees with you. Also, I dont wanna hear shit about how hard someone worked on this manhwa when you’re literally reading this for free. Go pay to read this and then we can start talking about that. I just find it weird and concerning how upset people like you get when someone even slightly suggests that sex in a manhwa might be rape or sa.
To be honest with you, I was hoping you would been better. Thankful I shared information with you.
Instead I get more hateful false opinions. I get more harassment over your false accusations and false misunderstands.
You just kicked the victim but I will keep telling the truth. Stop gaslighting me.
Youre right, I didn’t read your comments. I just saw you replying to people over and over…like i said. But I digress. If you understand that it’s someone’s POV then we wouldnt be having this conversation. Even if I was upset at someone for not seeing this as rape you wouldn’t care cause “thats my POV” and you would move on. But alas, here you are, passive aggressively arguing about my POV. Because although you’re trying to hide it, this isn’t about how hard the author worked or “different POVs” I, and others, simply don’t agree with you so you’re arguing with us. You can judge me and call me shitty and act of superiority over me but you are doing the exact same thing. It’s very obvious who you agree with and who you dont.
“I wasnt saying what i said to be polite. I hope it came off as shitty.” Yikes!
“No on cares if you dont think its rape.”
Yes they do.
“ I dont give a fuck about that.” Lie
“ If that’s all your opinion is, cool. “. Read comprehension issues.
“Im addressing people like you, who jump down people’s throats because we (rightfully so) think something is rape or sa.” I have not.
“Youre not respecting anyone’s opinion even tho you’re pretending you are. “. This is you. See your first sentence or any comment here to me. Gaslighting.
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“Youre just hiding behind the “respect everyone’s opinions” mask, even tho you clearly don’t respect anyone who disagrees with you.” Lie. This is never been about a disagreement. Gaslighting.
“Also, I dont wanna hear shit about how hard someone worked on this manhwa when you’re literally reading this for free. “. Irrelevant
“
Go pay to read this and then we can start talking about that. “ I already have. Stop judging and assuming.
“ I just find it weird and concerning how upset people like you get when someone even slightly suggests that sex in a manhwa might be rape or sa.”
*^ you have no clue what has happened. And why not try reading.
Story: rape - no
Story: sa - yes
I am a victim.
This is not about a disagreement.
What are you talking about. You didn’t have to reply to me, therefore I have no sympathy towards you. I made my opinions perfectly clear and you continued replying. Im sorry you made an assumption and got a reaction you weren’t expecting. Thats too bad.
Ok. Go argue with someone else I dont have the patience. You’re gaslighting me while acting as though ive gaslight you. Woe is me :((
Pathetic of you to be like this. I hope you're not like this in real life. That's pretty bad and people will run away from you.
I literally dont care. Next.
I knew it wouldn’t be long before you showed up too
My intentions was to talk to you. You are the only cowardly attacking people, trolling, and gaslighting. You can’t have a conversation. You are the fighting and arguing. You are gaslighting me. Liar
This is a troll
Let me make this extremely clear. Im not here to be nice to you or be your friend. You dont know me and I dont know you. You are a random person on the internet. Im not entertaining people who pretend to be high and mighty on an illegal sight. Respond with your think pieces on rape and you will be ignored. And thats that. Have a shitty day. :)
That means I want to be right in my opinions and don’t want to see the truth. They are threatened by saying high and mighty because we are not being high and mighty. How many prolifes does this person have? Why is it always about the story and not the situation?
Tora is better at decoding. This is a profile I have not seen and I don’t think a newcomer would be this hostile or be this opinionated on me.
This is the same thing as the others.
High and mighty
The story is our opinion.
I was repeating the same thing over and over. So they hate the truth.
Trying to make their harassment a disagreement.
Passive aggressive
I missed the comment filled with lies and more gaslighting that has this comment in it:
“ If you understand that it’s someone’s POV then we wouldnt be having this conversation”
They are blaming me. We wouldn’t be having this conversation if they did harassing the ones saying it is not rape.
I am not here arguing.
I am not here passive aggressive arguing.
This person doesn’t understand a conversation.
This is sir donot or toilet. Which I think are the same person. And if they are different people, Toilet has shared knowledge on rape and sa to know the difference.
''Tora is better at decoding''
Yeah, he proved otherwise. Yall writing long ass paragraphs just indicates how insecure you are in your own opinion. Get some help. And a therapist.
I don’t understand y’all logic. Y’all are shitting on Jooin and calling him annoying and stupid for what? Cause he had standards and left Yawhi’s weird ass? Yahwi is going through all this stuff cause he treated someone he “loved” like a sex worker and only gave af about him when he was with someone else. He didn’t “shape up” until Cain showed up even after he promised Jooin he would. At this point Yahwi’s love is just obsession and holding onto something that was never there to begin with. He’s obsessed with Jooin because he actually liked him, but because he couldn’t treat him right Jooin left him. Yes Jooin never spelt out what he wanted from Yawhi but the shit he wanted were basic things anyone in a relationship would want. So just cause he didn’t make thing’s SUPER obvious for Yahwi doesn’t mean he deserved to basically be treated like a prostitute. And I know how you bitches like to tussle about this rape/sa thing but that shouldnt be ignored. And on top of that he fucking slapped Jooin for speaking his mind. Jooin has not once put his hands on Yahwi even when he deserved it (like when Yahwi pretty much blamed him for SA him) but I digress. And to top it all off Yahwi has been harassing Jooin since he broke up with him. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING has been done to Yahwi. All the shit he’s going through is because he wont leave Jooin tf alone like he asked
OMG GO GIRLLLLL
Stahhhppp LMAOOJGXXJGXKGGXICG
Thats very well said, im so sick and tired of ppl hating jooin while loving yahwi when JOOIN is literally the victim here, i swear these stans are getting ridiculously dumber day by day
Right!!! They gotta hop off Jooin cause he literally hasn’t done anything. Yahwi is the issue
I love your comments so much, you always make sense, that why I put them in my favorites
Omggg, thats so sweet!! Thank youu!!<3
THANK U. THIS NEEDED TO BE SAID. this manhwa is beyond goofy.
Goofy cant even describe this shit anymore bro lmaoooooktdfcstjts
GO OFFFF I hate yahwi so much like he's terribleeeee I used to be like okay but he's hot BUT NO CAIN IS HOTTER BETTER STRONGER AND JUST BETTER I Lowkey feel like he's not endgame and ima be so pissed but omg go off girl
Lmaooozfskvllu thank you!!! <3
I forgot to say this earlier but Cain definitely has a chance at endgame especially with the way things are going, minus the whole car accident thing
I used to not understand why this was under the comedy genre cause it wasn’t funny, but now I realize it’s fucking hilarious. In no other manhwa can two characters have literally no chemistry and still be considered a “couple”. And because of that lack of chemistry the author has to do something, soooo what better way to spark up some chemistry then by one of the characters being hit by a FUCKING CAR. This manhwa is just insane and that’s why it’s sooo funny
They're bland to the point that even their good looks can't save this manhwa
Literally, and if im being honest the art can look a little odd at times
Its like, i reeeaaally want them to be together but this killed it for me. I know its cause of trauma or whatever but that’s still not ok.
Yours to Claim is back AND the comments are back on? Terrible duo
Worst duo ever imagined fr
Right
(╯°Д °)╯╧╧
Even if Yahwi has excepted his feelings for Jooin I think all these chapters leading up to this point have shown they aren’t compatible. The only relationship I could see between them is a friendship at this point and maybe not even that. But were three chapters away from the end so I guess we’ll have to see what happens. :b
wait- this ends in three chapters? for real?
Yep!
I dont like either of Sora’s “friends” both of them are extremely toxic and weird. They’re both very idk like fascinated with Sora and its weird. I dont understand why Ahyoung is upset. I always thought her fascination with Sora’s “boyfriend” was weird. In normal friendships having a boyfriend is a talking point but thats never what the entire friendship is about and centered around . I just think Ahyoung is fake, she wanted to be the closest one to Sora but was very quick to stop being friends with Sora and separate her from people over a small lie that realistically everyone would have know it was a lie or if they didn’t they wouldnt be this upset about it being a lie.
As for Jae In. Ive never liked Jae In I always thought it was weird she put Sora on this pedestal and her fascination with her was extremely weird and stalker-ish. I dont understand why Sora made Jae In her “friend” but thats the worst decision she ever made. Jae In is toxic and just not a good person at all she enjoys the fact that Sora is lonely which to be honest is all her fault and Ahyoung fro being weird but still.
I think Sora should make new friends because the supposed friends she has now are horrible and weird and just over all not good for her.
I agree with your analysis for the most part but the one place I don’t agree on is that Sora should’ve known better. Speaking as someone who had went through periods of loneliness, it’s hard to tell what toxicity looks like when you don’t have the experience with human relationships. Sora doesn’t have the ability to see red flags in Ahyoung and Jae in because she just didn’t grow up having fights with her friends and learning about boundaries and what not
Tbh I kinda do get Ahyoung’s pov. It’s a petty issue but Sora hasn’t bothered to clarify it at all even now. Maybe if she explained the truth, Ahyoung would’ve been okay but we won’t know that now
I’m really hoping that Sora will open up to Haena about this because Haena has more interpersonal experience is willing to weigh in on it better
You're right, except Sora probably don't know what a toxic friend is since she's always been lonely.
The author will probably make them talk things out and become friends again. I hope this doesn't happen though, yes they should clarify the lie and all but then everyone goes their way.
I seriously don't like Ahyoung and Jae in, and they take too much space, I see more of them and less of Haena
I think your analysis of ahyoung is completely off. The boyfriend is irrelevant... if she wanted to be the closest to sora she would've tried to get her to break up with her "boyfriend" but instead ahyoung gave sora advice to repair that relationship when she thought something was wrong. The problem is sora has been lieing to her for months about this. Ah young told sora that she feels lonely Because she has no real friends and the one real friend she thought she had has been lieing to her its not that hard to understand she's angry and now she lashing out at sora
When i say closest i don’t mean romantically. And again I personally just don’t understand why she’s so upset about the boyfriend thing. Sora lying about that doesn’t change anything. She’s still the good friend she always was they just cant talk about boyfriends now. To me its not something to be that upset about but again thats just me. As for her lashing out, if she’s mad at Sora that needs to stay between her and Sora she shouldn’t be isolating her from people. I wanna like Ahyoung because she seems like the some what normal one out of the two but i just cant. :[
I don't understand why "They were lying to me for no reason" isn't a good enough reason in your mind to explain why someone might decide to stop being friends with someone. If you made friends with somebody, got really close to them, told them close personal secrets, thought they were doing the same, and then found out they just *made up* a significant portion of the life they confided in you, you would just blow that off? Seriously?
WE know that Sora wasn't lying about everything, and that she was trying to make amends for her initial dishonesty, but Ahyoung doesn't know any of that. As far as she knows, Sora just invented all of it. Having a boyfriend, picking out an outfit for the date, etc. All of that looks like pointless theater from Ahyoungs POV right now. A trick.
Why should you trust anything that person tells you about anything ever again, if they're just willing to make up stories to look cool?
I think dropping somebody because they're full of it is one of the most relatable things that has happened in this comic. ;p
Don't get me wrong, I want to see them make up so Ahyoung can properly wingman Sora's relationship with Haena, but I can easily understand why she's so hurt right now.
Ahyoung is toxic.
She's perfectly right to get mad and leave because of Sora's lies ( I would too).
But you know why she's toxic and even more than Jae in I dare say ( or maybe not, Jae in is scary lol). Because she's the worst friend you could ever have. Not only she doesn't want to be friends with Sora anymore, wish is perfectly fine, she also don't want Sora to make friends by deliberately isolating her from others and those others are the people Ahyoung said she didn't consider as her friends (in the early chapters) because she's famous and pretty and they were probably talking about her behind her back and then she's exactly the same because she has no proof and just stipulating about what'snot (and who knows, maybe those other girls genuinely like her), that's diabolic.
Ahyoung made everything about herself, she wanted to be the only one, she was the one that knew best, she decided to be the best friend only after changing few words about "boyfriend". I really don't think that's how it works
I felt for Ahyoung seriously, because whatever it is everybody deserves the truth. But hey, she could have confronted Sora or something but don't be a jealous bully.
I hope they talk and clear things up. Everyone going their way would probably not happen, so they might become "best friends" again and the only difference to their conversations is that it won't be about boyfriends but about girlfriends. I wouldn't mind though.
Lmao jae in and ahyoung aren't even in the same universe in terms of how they treat sora so its honestly hard to take your comment serious. Jae in barely even sees sora as a person let alone as a friend. She sees her as some mythical God who she's been having some imaginary battle with, she has stalked her multiple times, shes black mailed a couple of times,, she has been actively trying to separate sora from heana and ahyoung hell she has even outright said she wants sora to be miserable and lonely again. Like its actually funny how not debatable this is worse by a stupidly wide margin.
She isn't exactly the same because as far as we know she isn't pretending to be soras friend and then talking behind her back. As for ahyoungs acquaintances we've seen multiple examples of them talking behind peoples back and in ahyoungs own words "they're probably talking behind my back like they do with everyone else " she has also said they only have superficial conversations together which we've seen. she has proof......maybe not direct proof but proof non the less. Actually after skimming over the chapters ahyoung and haena are alot alike they have friends who they only have superficial convos with and only confide their deepest insecurities with sora the only difference being that sora was lying to ahyoung and telling the truth(semi truth) to haena.
Your English is a bit off so I might be misreading what you're saying but Ahyoungs exact words to sora were "were you lying to me this whole time?" "Were all the secrets you told me a lie?" "The boyfriend you were always talking about never even existed?" "I stood by you but the two of you knew the real truth the whole time for the last 6 month's?" And soras reply to this was just" yeah" with no real attempt at elaboration. You're downplaying how bad this actually seems. Not to mention sora has ahyoungs phone number, she knows where she lives and goes to the same school and yet has not made a single attempt to clear the air which just makes her look worse.
Sora hurt her and now she's trying to hurt sora back, Will they make up? Most likely but ahyoung is not exponentially worse than sora in this situation they're about the same.
As for jae in I personally don't care but I assume she'll get some sort of redemption arc eventually
I get it, you actually missed all the point I was trying to make so "it's honestly hard to take your comment serious". And don't worry, I'm not downplaying anything.
She's isolating her from others because from her perspective Sora has shown herself to be someone who can't be trusted, who will make up stories to get in people's good graces. If I knew somebody like that, you can sure bet i'd warn people about them. It would be irresponsible not to. Now, she's *wrong* about Sora, but she doesn't have any way to know that. Dee215 is spot on when they point out that Sora has made no effort to explain herself. That's the main reason Ahyoung has such a negative impression of events. The reason Sora hasn't said more is because she has low self esteem and is wallowing in guilt and depression, and retreating into her time with Haena rather than processing it and trying to explain.
If they'd actually talk, Ahyoung would probably realize that Sora was actually mostly being honest with her. The things they bonded over were real, they were just about Haena rather than some fictional boyfriend. But until Sora *tells her that*, she can't make use of that information, so right now, *all* she has is Sora's confession that everything she said was a lie, and the knowledge that Jaein was in on it the whole time. She not only feels like she was lied to, but that she was the butt of a joke, that Jaein was the real confidant.
No I completely understood what you said. Your point was that ahyoung is being really toxic(potentially the most toxic in the series if you're comparing them to jae in), 2 that she's a hypocrite , 3 she should confront sora instead of isolating her.
I already made these points so idk why I'm repeating myself but
1. She's not the most toxic not even close
2. Again she isn't a hypocrite because she didn't do what she claims they do. Even jae in if she has had a problem with her she has just said it directly to her. She also has evidence for her claims
3. Ahyoung shouldn't confront sora. Sora is the one in the wrong and therefore sora should confront ahyoung
Literally what has Jooin done to receive this much hate from the community??? Yahwi can SA him, Slap Him, Invalidate His feelings, AND treat him like a prostitute, and people would still have more sympathy for him than Jooin. Like??? He deserves this much hate because he wasnt clear about his feelings??? Who cares!?
They have double standards betwee. Ukes and semes i swear
Right. Jooin can go off on Yahwi one time and now he deserved all this bs, like whatever.
When yahwi slapped himself using jooins hands, he got sympathy and jooin got blamed and hated, but when jooin was the one who got slapped which he literally did not deserve, people were hyping yahwi up saying jooin deserved it all they ever do is to victim blame jooin everytime yhwi do something wrong (im not generalizing, but most stans ive seen are like this even the previous uploader)
I remember that!!! That really irked me, cause as I’ve said before, Jooin has had multiple reasons to smack ts out of Yahwi but he hasn’t. He did not deserve that slap. And for Yahwi to be acting like he cares for Jooin now is just so…ugh.
wow man, i know this is fiction and all but the readers' reactions are all too real. really shows everyone's mindset
I just like analyzing and debating about stuff. Its fun! Fiction or not.
Jooin is an idiot but I love him （￣へ￣）He needs some time alone to think and heal honestly and he would have gotten that if not for the forced trauma response from Yeehaw (yes I know his name but I won't say it lol)
i personally think jooin is just another guy. i don't think he's an idiot, his reactions are valid. i feel so bad for him- he reminds me of me from a few years back: zero self confidence but a considerable amount of self respect
I agree.
That's basically what I mean by idiot; he's a naive and inexperienced person who didn't deserve all this shit lol