
am i the only one that thinks so? plus, it bugs me that he was so cowardly the first time and had to use an aphrodisiac. made me wonder if he had what it took to attract him without doing something like that.

No you're not, Shingo clearly says it right here.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kuroneko_kareshi_no_asobikata/bt/166415/Vol1_Ch1/26/

uhm, I don't know. If you read the entire story and try to think a little about it (like we all did like a bunch of maniacs…) you'll probably change your mind. I'm not trying to tell you what's "true", because every reader find their own meaning to the story, but I think that Shingo actually falls at first sight. He just can't admit it, because Keiichi, in the beginning, represents everything he's afraid of, like in the page C ME linked. Kei is too brightening for Shingo, who's afraid of that kind of allure for some reason... I'm not going any further in case you haven't gone yet through the entire story, I don't want to spoil it for you. Yes, Kei was a bastard at the beginning, but the thing is…by mere coincidence (a guy making another guy drunk in order to have sex) …they found real love, the kind of love everyone dreams about. The real drama about Sakyo Aya is that she seems to be unable to develop all the potential in her own plots. She could reveal so much about the "real" Keiiichi, why such a famous and beautiful man acts like that… but she never did (until now). Just, please, remember Keiichi is not in love in the beginning, that's way he acts that way, he just wants to play but Shingo steals his heart. And then, the real trouble starts...

yep, im up to date. still stand by my comment. i cant really have any admiration for a seme that has to rape the uke for the first time. shingo may have fallen for him, it doesnt change the fact that he was forced the first time. not sure why the author did that. regardless, love is different for everyone and they are happy together now,.

Shingo was a free spirit who enjoyed going out and walking out in the city. I don't think he was at all attracted to Keichi or that it was love at first sight. It may have been love at first sight for Keichi and I guess he was used to getting what he wanted at whatever cost and when he saw that Shingo was not interested he then decided to drug and rape him. Shingo was not a willing participant for that first encounter at all. Yes I am also glad that they ended up happy now, but the road to that was not a nice journey for Shingo at all.

I never really had the impression it was a rape, but, instead, a more subtle matter of self-discovering. Shingo does not want to admit he liked it, but he enormously did, that's why I accept a second then a third round. It's his first passive role, so it's almost a shock to him to discover the idea of himself he held dear to that moment was not the definitive one. Fist pages might give the impression of a rape, yes, but the entire story seems to suggest Shingo wasn't that happy, in the end, to wander off with no goal in life. He wasn't ready to admit his own desire for love and tenderness - that's why he falls for someone so possessive if not abusive toward him. This does not "justify" Keeichi's behavior, that I always wished was going to be enlightened a little bit by the author. She never did, so we can only go with the most banal interpretation, a rich prince with no limits. Shingo is not a stupid or a crybaby, so I've always been uncomfortable with the idea of him falling in love with someone bad. He felt in love, in my opinion, because what happened between them wasn't bad at all, to him.

Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration perpetrated against a person without that person's consent. The act may be carried out by physical force, coercion, abuse of authority or against a person who is incapable of giving valid consent, such as one who is unconscious, incapacitated, has an intellectual disability or below the legal age of consent. The term rape is sometimes used interchangeably with the term sexual assault. Regardless of what happened after, the first time was without any doubt rape.

Yeah, thanks for the legal advice. What I meant is that Shingo was consensual, even though he didn't want to admit it to himself the day after because it broke his own idea of masculinity. You are all so obsessed with rape that I don't get why you read a genre based on rape. I don't like rape-based story at all, but this one is not, in my personal opinion, one of those stories to begin with. This forum recently went so mad on the rape-issue that it has become pretty hard to change perspective into deciphering a story. If you are making love with someone that clearly likes it, you tend to think that the person is involved, not that you're raping them. Shingo was not drugged, he was drunk but not to the point he was powerless, his being unable to reject Keiichi depended on the simple fact that whereas his previous sexual habit prevented him from that kind of sex, his body accepted it with great pleasure. In this story, not in the general issue about rape, if Keiichi hadn't seduced him Shingo would have actually lost the possibility to explore real pleasure and even happiness. Keiichi is not my idea of "man of my dreams", being extremely possessive and egoist - but not cruel to Shingo, he adores him and proves it continuously. We see the story from Shingo's perspective, that's why everyone sympathize with him. But I wouldn't like to be in Keiichi's shoes. Shingo treats him in a very confusing way for the most part of the time and Kei's not reading a description of his lover's thoughts as we are doing. So it's not all fun for him either, like on the other hand it happens in real life: two people involved in a story share good and bad things. One thing is forcing someone into things, but Shingo is pretty free and he can't live without Keiichi, so, sorry, but I don't buy the version of him as the poor victim. The only thing that got sacrificed was a stereotyped idea of himself. But he seems pretty happy after he changed his mind.

"Shingo does not want to admit he liked it, but he enormously did, "
you can enjoy being raped. he woke up with some mans penis inside him. it was rape, theres no other way to explain it. even if all the other times were consensual, the first time was not. in real life, he would either be a person really into the rape fantasy, or someone mentally unwell. there are people who are raped and stay with that person because their self esteem is gone. the only reason he went along with this and they are happy, is because its a manga. lol simple as that.

This is a manga i reread from time to time. Something people dont understand is that love is not the same for everyone. For me i wouldnt be able to be with someone that hurt me. But Kei tried to leave, tried to find a new love. For him, it was worth being with Kaiya, knowing he wasnt the best person. Kaiya did abuse him, and he is not the best person. But he changed his whole life to find Kei, and spent five years waiting for him. It may not be the right kind of love for everyone, but who are we to judge? =)
Edit: i agree with the comments saying, it would have been nice if Kaiya had acknowledged the abuse, and shown he had changed. But i dont think everyone understood the reason Kei left. Kei left because he didnt believe Kaiya loved him. When Kaiya tells him he loves him, and spent 5 years waiting for him. That was all he needed, all he wanted was his love. Hopefully Kaiya has grown up in those 5 years.

Omg, this FREAKING FANTASTIC! Yes, you aren't defending Kaiya and you are hoping that he's changed. OMG, yes!

Omg, this is* FREAKING FANTASTIC!

No problem! I tend to comment quite vehemently, too often I know some would say, under those comments I disagree with so I figure I should, at the very least, comment just as vehemently under those I *do* agree with. :D

i dont understand why her ex kept waiting for her. he just wanted to be involved in his sons upbringing and she lied to her son all his life. he could have been raised with both parents but his mother only cared about herself. sadly there are women that are that self absorbed in real life.

its not an opinion. it is selfish and cruel to deny your child their other parent. unless they are a bad person, you do not have the right to do that. It is illegal to do so. if you want to be resented later by your child, or to see your childs pain as they wonder where their father/mother is go ahead and be selfish.
nothing wrong with raising a child alone when you cant help it, but its cruel to purposely deny a child their parent.
No, not every parent is selfish. i will never ever forget the sacrifices my mother made. My father left when i was 5 years old, he was cheating on her. He never helped financially. I was raised mostly by my mother and older sister.
But my mother never denied me my father. She would let him come over, and serve him a plate of food, all so we could see our father in the house. He would try to take us out from time to time.
He wouldn't put in as much effort, but she did everything she could to include him, and for that i will always be grateful.
Once you become a parent, you dont matter any more. Your childs wellbeing is number one.

What you're telling me really has nothing to do with the initial topic I answered but I'll still answer anyway. It IS an opinion and in MY opinion your Mother shouldn't have bothered. My life was similar only that my Mother had to raise two children on her own without any help on less than minimum wage. She did eventually remarry and after becoming an adult my so-called 'father' still tries to contact me from time to time but I call him by name and have no feelings other than disdain for him. My brother does occasionally keep in contact with him. He and I have different opinions on the man.
I do agree with your last statement, your child's well being but a parents well being factors in there too, unfortunately that's an extremely long explanation.
Keep in mind that none of what I said was meant to hurt you in any way. If it did, I'm sorry. I don't know your hardships but I'm sure I'm older and I've not exactly lived an easy life either.

the fact that you are so angry shows that you did need your father growing up. i wont argue with you. But if you want to understand the damage it does go on youtube and watch the show Paternity Court. Watch the episodes of people growing up without a father. How they repeat the cycle, or end up people with children with multiple people, and damaged from the lack of having a father.
also, dont tell me what my mother should or should not have done. if you want to damage your kids go right ahead.

I know I shouldn’t be replying as I have nothing to do with this but, from what I read, you sound angrier than them, so your argument makes no sense. Technically you didn’t exactly grow up with a father in your life 247 like a person with married parents did as well so that makes you a bit of a hypocrite also. You shouldn’t judge someone based on their family background, you should know.
I’m sorry if I sound rude, I probably am, it’s just your comment annoys me. Although you may not agree with their opinion, telling that person they’re going to damage their kids by doing so is just wrong. I’ve met great people who grew up in single family households who don’t know their other parent, they usually actually strive to do the opposite of their parent and try to be better that the parent that left.

This author always does such awesome stories. I love that the two guys have been together for so long. Shogo is so popular with the girls and yet he is always loyal to fumiya. I love that the girls in this story (except for one lol) were kind and understanding of their relationship. they realized the guys feelings before they did.

calls the girl chubby and she starts starving herself and he is congratulated her for losing weight. shes actually a normal weight. 0_0 they both acted like children. shes gets a BF and has zero respect for him and is controlled by her body and keeps having sex with the friend. the friend was so cowardly he didnt tell her his feelings once she started dating another guy.
even worse the guy calls her tainted, and she keeps believing it. even in the end she thinks shes tainted.
I still dont understand, he never gave a good reason. i get that Shingo was doubting him. But he was spending nights away from home and being really close to someone else. kakami knew shingo has a trauma of being abandoned. and yet he choose to take a job in another country and didnt chase shingo when he was feeling insecure. he accepted their break up like nothing. it bugs me that he never once fought for their relationship. shingo had to chase after him.
preach! you're one of the scarce logical people here, who looks at things how they are.
a lot of people here tend to idolize attractive characters and give excuses for their actions. but i love analyzing characters in stories, makes it more interesting. =) lol