loafalotl's Topics (38)

Okay but he’s cheated on him multiple times he’s lied about hwang being a bad guy when he really isn’t he’s just kinky and he doesn’t have to be be seeing the blonde guy behind the twinks back, he’s not holding him hostage or forcing him too he doesn’t wanna share or have threesomes yet he’ll see him alone? The twink goes out to get it from anyone when he’s not around uses him for money and talks bad about him behind his back, I’m not saying the seme is a great person either they both seem to lack knowledge of relationship dynamics but he’s not forcing the dude to keep seeing him he’s just saying if you don’t want me to see the twink then do it with me he doesn’t have to do either and if he was smart he could just tell the twink he doesn’t wanna have a three some like bruh common sense is a thing. The twinks gonna see other people regardless of Blondie being present or not that’s obvious. I feel like they have intense sexual tension and the black haired guy is just too embarrassed to admit he’s into being versatile

I'm not sure what you mean about slut shaming. Anyone who sleep around is a slut. Not sure where you got the misogyny from.

Both guys, MokYeon and SeonHwa, are both sluts. So idk where you were coming from trying to defend SeonHwa. Lol

Actually thank you, I may have been a tad bit twink-pilled coming into this and I DEFINITELY forgot he did those things.

But I gotta clear up too as I did in the other comment, you can argue on him being stupid, or lacking common sense, yes that can be true, but it does not change the fact that what Blondie did is coerced sex. And coerced is forced, periodt. Most of the time people agree to do things, especially sex, but agreement ≠ consent, if agreement is coerced and uninformed. And the top is taking advantage of his uninformed ass to coerce him.

I'm not saying that this story should have been all morally correct, this is fiction, but we can still enjoy the story while accepting that what Blondie did is DEFINITELY forced.

Nobody's saying neither is a slut, but what I was pointing at is the 'i hate twink' comments, which I assumed was because of him sleeping with multiple people and being all kinky all around. In my experience people disproportionately slutshame bottoms over tops, not saying that for example, a cheating/shitty bottom is better than a cheating/shitty top, both are bad, but hate is expressed more viciously and energetically to the former. Villain bottoms have a harder time, especially feminine bottoms, which also extends to female villains. Hence, internalized misogyny.

With all that said tho this critique definitely does not apply to this story because I forgot the twink did shit that justified the hate lmao（/TДT)/

Yeah. It's equalized sluttiness

But a lot of comments feels like the teink is just getting btwn the relationship btwn the two, which, in fact the opposite is true. Cuz without him thesw two would have never met. I don't think it was about SeonHwa's promiscuity so much as, at least in my case, want to see two very hot, non-twinky males, get together, well, so far only physically....

I don't view him as being the only one being slutty. That's why your comment came in too strong and pretty much left field. It's bcz if what SeonHwa did that earned him the title. Both are "trash" but he made it seem MokYeon is the "bad influence" bcz SeonHwa projects this image of a cute, pure child, and not the one who had orchestrated the whole threesome thing w/ the sadism....

He's manipulative but you gotta say, NanJo is self-sacrificing and naive. He believes the bullshit SeonHwa pulls. The agreement wasn't coerced. But MokYeon is definitely manipulative. That is, he WILLINGLY walked into that trap on his own. He, one-sidedly, believes MokYeon is the bad guy who influences SeonHwa, who is the pure soul, and treats him as trash. While I agree MokYeon is trash, NanJo is no different for judging him. At ANY time, he could abort mission. He only sticks his neck out bcz he SURELY believes his SeonHwa is innocent and this bastard is the one purely at fault. Part of it is the attraction, but the other part is, "I hate your fucking attitude" and "let's see how far along you're willing to go to protect this 'innocent' pet if yours from this here (yours truly) 'trashy' self". NanJo, at ANY time, could call it quits and be like, ok, ykw, SeonHwa ISN'T worth all this trouble. But you know, maybe he also doesn't want to lose. Who knows. Nobody pushed him into this "agreement". He judged ppl based on what he knows and went with it. There's DECEPTION, but not coercion. Nobody threatened him. He was the judge of that and decided it was worthwhile to protect what he seems valuable and worthy. He's being deceived by both parties. Really.

Yeah and he actively pulled him back into having sex again just because he said he’d talk to the twink again, seonhwa is worse personality wise than mokyeon they all seem to have major issues of something but nanjo is naively believing that seonhwa is being whole heartedly honest with him when he should have gotten at least half the picture since seonhwa was the one who suggested having a three some but no he automatically assumed mokyeon was coercing seonhwa so idfk why he wouldn’t know if he was being “coerced” ironically mokyeon said he’d stop the three some if nanjo would sleep with him as a half joke he didn’t think the other would agree to sleep with him at all let alone behind seonhwa back and idfk why nanjo is doing that cause he doesn’t have too at all he agreed to it he just didn’t put any effort into having sex with mokyeon they obviously have some sort of sexual tension weather nanjo believes it or not I think he is physically attracted to mokyeon he’s just naive in believing his feelings the same way he’s naive in thinking seonhwa is whole heartedly honest and innocent with him. Also no one’s forcing him to stick his neck (or ass) out for the twink he’s kind of just selfish like he doesn’t have to agree to any of this just like mokyeon said he could stop seeing them but he doesn’t want to share seonhwa which is ironic cause the dude is sleeping with multiple other people behind his back I’m not saying this is crystal clear or perfect relationship but I don’t really buy the whole coerced thing cause he’s actively making these choices all based on some “hero” complex he has when he knows now that seonhwa is also kinky. And he still has his thoughts about mokyeon being a bad or vulgar guy cause seonhwa refuses to clear anything up himself and plays innocent at the others expense. I also think nanjo does wanna sleep with mokyeon and this is his excuse to explore that. And yeah preying on someone being kinda naive is fucked up but nanjo is a 32 year old grown man making his own grown up decisions to drive his ass to these meetings wait for hours and still hook up like..that’s not coercion

Lol. I wonder. Say he secretly wants to sleep with him. The first time they had "sex", NanJo's duck was limp and he threw up and tried to fight the urge to run away but he runs away anyways and just "bore it". So no, he definitely doesn't want MokYeon. And the latest chapter he just gets up and leaves him after MokYeon said to sleep here with him over night. So no, he doesn't secretly want or crave him. He's just putting up with it.

*wouldn't say

These are really good points, and they're not wrong, I just cannot agree that no coercion happened.

Let's say that yes, NanJo is willingly going into this because he's ignorant, okay that's true. But wouldn't he have decided differently if he knew otherwise that he's being deceived (by both parties)? Your points don't make it any easier too. You claim he's 'self-sacrifcing and naive' and that he's being deceived happened. Deception quite literally is ground for lack of information, it's worse when you do it to a naive individual. Again, consent is coerced when it's not informed.

It would've been different if NanJo was implied to be smart enough to actually see through the deception and is just willingly seeing how things go, but no, you've said he's naive AND deceived. That's a double whammy right there. He can't walk away anytime if his dumbass is emotionally trapped and coerced into this agreement. You could say he will see through it later? Absolutely, but that wouldn't change the fact that he was initially coerced. Periodt.


It's really important to know what consent really is, because even if this is fiction, how you understand the concept also reflect how you actually deal with it in real life, irl situations can be equally complicated or worse than what we expect in fiction. If a stupid and naive friend is being deceived into sex, will we say it's their fault for being stupid and naive? That's fucked up. In consent, it is a moral precondition for one with information to communicate such to those without, withholding information is tantamount to removing a person's agency and capability to think for and represent themselves accurately in a given situation. No matter how stupid you assume the other to be, Hence, consent does not manifest, and agreement without true consent will always be coerced.

Don't like, don't read

Ya'll be using terms ya'll don't even understand and I think that's more egregious than an artist depicting what would actually happen during any sort of apocalypse.

We ain't even in the end times irl and people excuse and justify raping or harming someone just 'cause they don't like them.

It's more realistic to think that in a lawless land that the more powerful and psychotic are the ones in control and would do whatever they wanted to whoever they wanted. To think that everyone would work peacefully to assure survival is something someone who has never struggled would dream of. A sort of magical fantasy where only the good survived and the evil perished.

Which is even more unrealistic to expect from a zombie apocalypse when, once again, in the real world people are far more disgusting than fiction.

Now, you can either keep reading or move on to something that's more vanilla instead of trying to give some sort of "intellectual dissection" on a series that has a man that is half zombie and has superpowers in a zombie apocalypse. No one is forcing you to stay.

Truth.

- terms I don't understand? I'm pretty sure we both understand what I mean, if not we wouldn't have been talking about it.

- Okay firstly you're making some sweeping assumptions. Who are you to declare that a lawless world will automatically put psychos into positions of authority? I wouldn't even argue on that because it's useless arguing of a hypothetical imaginary world. But you're severely understating humanity and his it naturally arranges itself.

- "To think that everyone would work peacefully to assure survival is something someone who has never struggled would dream of" oh so now you're making assumptions about me too pookie don't even start. If all you think about humanity is this... You're edgier than the corner of my table

- "Now you can either keep reading or move one to something that's more vanilla instead of trying to give some sort of intellectual dissection" pookie you're doing one right now. We can actually talk about things, yes, I can have a so called 'intellectual dissection' about anything. Also your point is saying that stories who share these genres 'post apocalyptic' ad 'fantasy' will all have dogshit writing because it's 'realistic to the genre'. No pookie, I've seen plenty of those that are well written, and yes, stories with violence and psychopaths can have good writing

I'm not here trying to assume this is a goddamn masterpiece of the literary arts, no, I'm in a site with too much dogshit stories that I love and follow even though I know it's bad, like junk food. But I didn't read this story because it was torture porn, but because it had actually a good premise, 'decent writing', and it's just shocking how bad it's dropped down. No offense to those who still enjoy it, if you enjoy torture porn.. well, uhm good for you I guess

Right

Yeah, they explored this plot card so much, but in the end they didn't explain none of it. It felt...hollow somehow?

Saaame, I'm so sad

who doesn't? (๑♡⌓♡๑)

He's so pretty-handsome, sexy, knowledgeable, quick witted and downright fuckable af. I'd kiss the land he steps on ngl ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄

Are you some form of monster or monster hybrid? If no I have some disappointing news for you friend