This feels like a cheaper version of debut or die but a parasocial fan edition. The system thingy is inconsistent, seems like the author is just using it to hide plot holes. The characters' personalities are just one note.
Idk bout that tbh, I've read debut or die 's novel and yes similarities are there, but it ends at the systems and them being in the idol industry.
Esp knowing some of the spoilers for this story, it's definitely deeper and more intentional than what your comment is suggesting.
I can't see any deeper and more intentions in this story, it's just a protagonist having a PARASOCIAL relationship with her idol. The system's rewards and punishments isn't balanced or consistent. The characters also aren't well written since most of them have one trait/behavior shown. Maybe I'm missing other perspective of the story that you can elaborate so I can understand it :>
Spoiler:
All of our MCs actions rn seems very para social yes, but it's because we lack some key infos. Does the characters seems way too obsessive in her pursuit of making her favorite idol the top of the industry? Yes, it's because they have a past. This is actually their 4th life . Yes, they've been at this before. It's basically a cycle. In the original timeline, where the system hasn't interfered , MC and yeonwoo ARE IDOLS TGT. They're friends, in the same hs, and are both aiming to be idols. Mc hv always been the younger sister in her sibling's life too. The one we saw in the first chapters are actually their 3rd timeline. Where yeonwoo wished that they never met through idol industry. Because in their original lives, Their relationship was destroyed by it. And the timeline keep repeating because in each timeline, one of them got the help of the system and both of them keep choosing to save each other. So they've been at this cycle forever, they're friends, maybe even deeper than that because their whole lives, was always laid down to save each other.
So yea, it IS deeper than just a para social relationship. While I myself believe the writing and the portrayals of the manhwa could do better to communicate this to readers early on, it's extremely demeaning to immediately lable a story a cheaper version of another story THIS early on in the story.
Woah, that’s really mind-opening. If the author had portrayed or hinted at the plot better, the story would have felt much stronger, because without prior background a reader can only judge it based on what is presented. Right now, it feels lacking, and simply saying “we don’t have a whole lot of info about the plot” doesn’t quite justify it, since a well-written story should still be engaging and spark interest even early on. And of course, I apologize for calling the story a “cheaper version” of another. I should have worded that better. What I meant is that the lack of clear plot hints and buildup makes it easy for readers to draw such comparisons. Thanks for this new perspective. I appreciated it <3
Honestly debut or die was worse in my onion they dragged it
I'm a big fan of DoD (my first Idol novel that I have read and is my top 3 novels from all time) but I need to tell you this, you are reaching. Just because a story is about idols and systems (which I know DoD helped popularize) doesn't mean they are a cheap copy or just reusing the same formula. Unlike Moondae who didn't want to be an idol because he didn't dream about, HSY doesn't want to be an idol because her objective, from the start, has been to make NYW debut. She is someone older that feels weird taking the chance of another child from debuting, unlike Moondae who had no choice for it because he will die if he doesn't do so. Although both appear to be forced by the system to become idols, the choices and the way they respond is different. Also, systems tend to be bastards, you can't really compare them because no matter what story you read they always strive towards an objective whether the protagonist likes it or not.
I feel that is time we end this xx is a copy of yy because with all literature you will see people using the same ideas and moving them towards different directions. It would be a copy if her personality was the same as Moondae's, her actions and situations similar, and the whole plot similar, this is not.
I get where you coming from, after all people have different tastes, however do understand I did read debut and die even up to recent chapters, the thing is, I still find it boring, everything is honestly just a repeat, and moondae, [ I understand his personality from his backstory,] is just bland, out of anybody in his series he has the worst personality and every time he’s on screen I yawn. Not to mention how great the first half of the manwha was versus how boring the rest is. Now that it just feels bland and so repetitive and predictable.
holy yuri
why the hell would the author drop a big spoiler early on in the story? what would be the point of reading the story then? you can’t just get big pay-off without reading a story.
As a huge debut or die fan, I’m kind of disappointed in a fellow fan for thinking like this since this story is pretty different, especially if you’ve read other idol stories. It makes it seem like debut or die fans always compare other stories to DoD since it’s one of the more popular idol manhwas.
There’s a lot of overlap because that’s the nature of an idol story, so when you’ve read a lot of them, you can naturally see the clear differences between them. (For example, in DoD there’s a clear favor for darker themes in their live shows while this one had a focus on fresher themes being a better idea. Or, the mc not being as smart about the way she’s being evil edited. Moondae was very careful about not giving the pds any way to evil edit him. Meanwhile, hyeseong is just a fan who got to become an idol, so she’s not as good at navigating that.)
Overall, there are very clearly different themes in this compared to DoD. Moondae’s only goal was survival and he used his smarts and understanding of idols, pop culture, and the future knowledge he had, to make sure to achieve that goal. Meanwhile, Hyeseong has a completely different goal of making another idol debut. She’s much more clumsy than moondae and seems to be winging things as they come(which is still very charming.)
The views of the system is different too. From the start, the system in DoD is an antagonistic force as it literally forces moondae to be an idol and threatens him with death. It pushes the plot forward externally. Meanwhile, in this, Hyeseong is using the system as a way to help her achieve her own goals. It isn’t an inherit antagonistic force and the plot is being pushed forward by her own internal forces(her love for yeonwoo). So, even the reasons for the plot being moved is based off two different reasons(external vs. Internal).
Of course, a similarity between moondae and Hyeseong is that they’re normal people who had no plans to debut from the beginning. However, they are very different characters. Moondae is reserved and usually very expressionless, and he honestly thinks a lot. Meanwhile, Hyeseong is much more relatable to the average idol fan and shows many different expressions.
It makes sense since Moondae wasn’t an idol fan and only knew about idol knowledge because she used to be a photographer for fancams to make money. He’s pretty smart and has good intuition, based off his own sense and what he knows about the future. He was even about to become a civil servant, completely removed from the idol world. Meanwhile, Hyeseong is a regular office worker who’s just a huge idol fan. She’s like the opposite of moondae, she only works so she can support her favorite idols. She’s deep into the idol fandom, but she only has the basic knowledge an idol fan would have of the inner workings of the idol industry. She’s much more impulsive than moondae.
Also, in debut or die, moondae did have some haters, but he never had this level of hate or evil editing that Hyeseong is getting. This recent storyline never existed in Debut or die. I love debut or die, but I don’t think I’ve ever felt this scared about how my idol babies will get out of their predicament.(with moondae I never had to worry lol)
Maybe you just haven’t read a ton of idol manhwas, but many idol or even just showbiz manhwas have similar tropes, but there is a clear difference between this and debut or die. Especially when you just break down the main characters personalities.
Also, there have been many hints that something was off about the system in this story. The way Yeonwoo is behaving strangely and the visions that Hyeseong is seeing is proof of that. It was clearly foreshadowed so I don’t know what you mean.
Sorry it got this long.
This is a really good reply, DOD is personally one of the better idol stories out there, I just dont like to see when people compare idol stories as if they are all the same
Same! It just gives a bad look to DoD fans
SOMEONE RECO ME A STORY LIKE THISSS
When I say I want yandere/toxic romance I meant shit like this because deymm they where EQUALLY fucked up in the head for each other.
I cringed so bad on the daddy-baby play and pee drinking shit It feels like the author is just experimenting or smt idk
I really wish the romance had been better written. Using the ex-wife just to make Jihyun realize he likes Haemi felt too sudden and unearned. The American girl being randomly in love with Jihyun was fucking bullshit. She could’ve been a strong platonic friend or business partner, but they just made her another love interest out of nowhere.
Honestly, there was no proper build-up between Haemi and Jihyun. Even during med school, there weren’t any strong hints of romantic interest. If anything, it seemed like Jihyun was still drawn to his ex-wife. FGS they even went on a date. So when he suddenly rejected her with “I’m in love with someone else,” it came out of nowhere. I thought he would turn her down because he was afraid of repeating his past mistakes, not because of a surprise love confession tf.
Personally, I would’ve preferred if the romance focused on his redemption and learning to be a better partner to his ex-wife. That would’ve felt more connected to the main plot of the story.
I can't help but pity Lee Sangmin. Imagine growing up being abused, rejected and humiliated because of your parent's sin. Having the only family support (mother) die due to schizophrenia cause by stress.
With nothing left, Sangmin clung to a single goal: revenge. He dedicated his life to becoming the best, not out of ambition, but as a desperate attempt to prove his worth and throw his success in the face of the family that abandoned him.
Some may argue that "Many people are experiencing even worse but they don't become bad", That’s what makes them incredibly resilient and admirable. But we have to remember that people process trauma differently, based on their mental state, support system, coping mechanisms, and even personality.
Of course what he did was terrible and can never be excused. He tried to kill a boy and successfully killed a precious daughter of someone. The readers understadably can hate and never forgive him but they should understand how someone can be both a victim and a villain. Seeng the full picture helps us understand that people don't turn evil, they break.
Perfect explanation.
I appreciate the reunion of both JH and SM. SM suffered and also hurted others which he is also enlightened and served his punishment. That is the ending we need for him.
I just know it'll be revealed that it was that son of a bitch jurion
I was curious why this low rating story with a "brothers" on the title was first on the feature section rn so I read it out of curiosity(My bad I shouldn't have) because this story feels like the author's fetish typeshit. Genuinely how can you get an inspiration to make a story with this theme? "Ah yes two orphans who like each other romantically, but make it that the hyung practically raise him and also make the kid r*pe his hyung. I want it to be detailed and focused on the r*pe scene all together" Is that how the author thinks?
Yes, I know there is somewhat a story/plot but is it really necessary to show the hyung being r*pe graphically MULTIPLE FUCKING TIMES FGS!? Hmmm
Not only that but the kid forcefully drugs his hyung who has a drug addiction
Parents like that will never realize what they did was wrong and seeing that the father came from a perfect family and being handed everything, all his struggle surrounds on keeping his name and image perfect.
This is turning into a cliche harem typeshi. Feel like the author is trying to make unnecessary problem/arc to make the story longer when clearly it's not needed. If this continued it'll become a common isekai harem with oblivious and naive protagonist.
ISTG the author is turning Yuna into an annoying, idiotic damsel . I was really hoping for actual character development from someone weak but insightful in analyzing fights into a fighter who, even with a weaker physique, could strategize and master her weapon. Instead, every single fucking time she ends up needing to be saved by the brothers that completely undermines her potential.
Just give her a moment where she’s forced to fight on her own and show growth in combat and independence. She’s been stuck in this same role since the very beginning of the story, with no real development, and it honestly feels like her potential is being completely wasted.
AGREEEDDDDD I love her but I hate how most of the time, she always needs to be saved rather than stand independently on her own
I remember someone (Sakura)
She’s just like a narrator atp. I think this series will go on for maybe another 150+ eps, maybe even more eps. I don’t think she’s a character to have really short character development like Thaddeus. Thaddeus’s story was resolved in a couple eps but I think that Yuna is gonna develop over the seasons and maybe until the end. I think this is the correct route for her character honestly. She’s not strong enough so physically she can’t even handle the fights Peter handles. She’s tried before and she knows it will fail. She isn’t a damsel in distress she’s just weak and if she tried she would be killed. She’s not a prodigy, YET. I really hope that she develops into one though.
I’m not asking for drastic power-ups or for her to become a prodigy that can fight disciples, just more signs of growth. Peter gave her a weapon to make up for her lack of strength, so it feels natural to expect at least one proper fight where she holds her ground ALONE even if she lose/get hurt.
Also the only times she’s really had focus were the monkey-like enemy fight(where she fought a little bit and was exciting as it show some developments but then focused on the brothers again) and her ice training scene. I really love her character because of the potential and wish there were more scene for her. Instead, even when the disciple was training them the focus was only on the brothers, when that would’ve been the perfect chance to also show how Yuna is guided by someone powerful to adapts and improve.
While I understand the “narrator” role, that alone doesn’t make her character feel well-written. Yes, it’s only season 1, and bigger development can come later, but sprinkling MORE glimpse where she shows her knowledge, improvisation, or growth rather than focusing on her just watching everyone fight would make her feel like she’s on the path even if slow instead of stuck in almost the same role from the beggining.
it's so ironic because I remember in the last qna they did it was said her gender was changed for a better direction for the story