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It irks me so badly that Leo gets so many passes because "he's a little guy! He's ditzy! He didn't mean it!" You do know that doing something without thinking is sometimes worse than knowingly doing so, right? Leo is a grown ass man like JJ is, he doesn't need every little thing to be spelt out for him. Not that it's hard to understand JJ either, because everyone sees it. JJ feels that Leo does not value him in their relationship. He literally says it when he asks Leo "do you see me as your boyfriend?" Leo keeps asking what he did wrong and why did they break up, but he never stops to think about what JJ has told him. He barely registered that JJ was not happy in the relationship, that JJ hasn't smiled for a while.

Had to split up my posts to find which one was being dumb lol

We don't actually know if JJ has expressed his feelings before! So many assume that JJ hasn't because we haven't seen it, but I'm sure that's gonna be answered soon. Based on information we do have, it seems JJ has made an effort to fix the relationship and to talk about it but Leo has ignored him, but that's not confirmed yet either! The point being, we don't know yet and all these Leo supporters immediately turn to placing all the blame on JJ no matter how much evidence is shown about Leo's actions. JJ didn't communicate, but Leo did so much more too! He also didn't communicate, ignored JJ's feelings, made plans with friends over his boyfriend yet expected his boyfriend to make time for him only, coerced JJ into having sex, accused JJ of sleeping with others based on the fact that he merely talks to some other guy?????, put his ego ahead of his relationship, etc.

Hello! Can anyone see my posts?! I keep trying and nothing shows up (⊙…⊙ )

Am I really the only one not bothered by the tattoo????? Like to me it isn't ugly or anything.

I like the manga but there's a lot missing here:

First, the relationship btw Sigurd and Julliette is less weird than you'd think (not that you have to love it lol). It doesn't explain it well here but in the novel, it's explained that they never had a particularly good or close relationship when younger because their dad would favor Juliette. At some point when younger, Sigurd left the family to train as a soldier. He was taken under Jolga's wing and he even wanted to be Jolga's son (unknowing of his parentage at the time). He also hated his father and sister and basically considered them strangers because of everything he heard about them. They were evil in his eyes, and he wasn't happy about being Juliette's guard at the beginning because he thought he would have to go through hell because of them. However, due to Juliette being instructed by their father to just be nice (as she had always been encouraged to be mean and spoiled to get ahead) Sigurd began to have a better relationship with Juliette. Is it still weird? To some yes to others no, but in the manga it is harder to tell that they weren't really raised thinking of each other as close/family, especially when Sigurd left for the military to escape the family.

Second, Jolga is a bit dumb but also he's working with the limited/fake information he knows. Here's the thing, Jolga has basically made up an image of Andrim that is this tragic yet lovely figure because, unlike in the original story, the information that is revealed is twisted in a way that not only makes sense but embellishes Andrim - someone he hated because he was the opposite of what Jolga believes in. Like he now genuinely believes that him and Andrim could have been friends based on the lies Andrim "revealed" - such as "taking on the role of a villain" to save Jolga's fiancee or to protect the crown. Jolga believes now that Andrim actually is more of a representation of his beliefs, and he admires this version of Andrim. Jolga believes that Andrim is just misunderstood, but he also finds himself being attracted to Andrim. He feels like he's the only one able to see the real Andrim and that pushes his possessiveness as well. So when Andrim let's Jolga sleep with him, Jolga begins to fall even harder, because he feels like he could be the one to protect the "poor and lovely victim of loyalty". The circus thus becomes a form for Andrim to test how far Jolga would go to protect Andrim despite what actual evil stuff Andrim reveals to Jolga. (Keep in mind, Andrim doesn't reveal the truth about the past events, he just reveals that he did take revenge out on the prince's fiancee (Nasha) by selling off her family.)

The Circus is a shit show btw. First, Nasha makes a fool of herself because she has no royal training, so she acts out during the show. Second, the after show. It's essentially a betting ring, where beasts are forced to fight to the death. If the beast you choose wins, you win the beast's offspring. The thing is that the priestess' family receives a monetary award for their daughter being the priestess. However, the priestess doesn't have to be aware of this, and Nasha and Marie weren't aware of this. So Nasha and Marie believed Nasha was merely kidnapped, but their family accepted the money and used it to save the life of their son. However, because Nasha and Julliette traded places, the church needed the money back from Nasha's family. In the original timeline, this is resolved bc no one likes Andrim or Malaki, them trying to take the money back backfires and they get in trouble and the debt is cleared. In this timeline, Andrim and Malaki are more secretive about taking the money back, so they end up selling the family to cover the costs. The parents are sold as labor slaves and the children are sold to the circus as slaves. More specifically, Nasha's sisters are sold to be breeding partners to the beasts while her younger brother was sold off as a sex slave. Yeah, Andrim is evil. Basically, Andrim reveals what he did when it can't be changed anymore, so Jolga has a choice to arrest/kill Andrim for his evil actions or to accept him as he truly is (vindictive and evil). Of course, Jolga is in too deep of love with Andrim and accepts him, becoming a bit corrupt himself. Third, there's Malaki and Lytro action. It's very emotional because Malaki has never had anyone genuinely care about him and he has an emotional connection with Lytro that he's never had before due to everyone using him for his body. During this, we see Nasha's younger brother also being "trained" so that's a horrible thing. And Nasha's sisters get pregnant by the winning beast too.

The Circus arc is a whole thing, but it probably will also be lacking context based on the rest of the manga, so that's a bit fo information I can provide. (づ￣ ³￣)づ

The whole Peter Erickson (is that his name lol) thing is going to be great. Mostly because that may not be part of JJs anger, but Leo will certainly see it that way.

It seems that JJ got close to Peter while being scouted, and JJ seems to love talking about racing, so it just seems natural for him to get along with drivers. Leo considered himself to be JJs only friend, which is a bit self centered, but JJ just has a new friend who shares similar interests, it may just be a nothing burger. And JJ not saying anything about what he's doing means nothing really, it could just be that JJ doesn't want to disclose his sexual encounters with friends. Also I doubt JJ would move on this fast, he's more likely to just focus on himself more than jump into a new relationship.

Also for anyone wanting Leo to drop JJ and get a new man, JJ has literally stated that that wouldn't surprise him. It would at most confirm that Leo never saw JJ as his boyfriend, so it's probably not something that JJ would fight against. He would be heartbroken but I doubt that'd have the effect some ppl are hoping for. Last time JJ saw Leo with another man, all he did was walk away, so yeeeeeaaaaaaah...

Anyways, Leo making a mountain out of an ant hill will be interesting. He did immediately assume JJ was sleeping with Peter rather than them just being friends.

Yo, I'm going to put it in words that ppl should understand: If you are ever in a relationship, both partners should be putting 100% into the relationship. If one partner is inconsiderate of your time, uses you for sexual gratification but does not give back, and/or forgets 90% of what you say, would you not feel hurt? Would it not hurt that you literally put your everything into the relationship, your time, spirit, and heart only for your partner to reduce your relationship to "the sex is good"?

That's my problem with Leo. And let's be clear, I'm not saying JJ did nothing wrong, but the way people defend Leo is sick to me. Just because Leo is a little ditzy and cute does not mean he can walk all over his boyfriend. Both being at fault is true, neither JJ nor Leo hold the sole responsibility of the relationship ending. Both have communication problems, but the way ppl jump to defend Leo is so shitty. He is so stubborn in admitting he loves JJ out loud, he expects JJ to wait hand and foot for him, and he would rather ask to be sex friends than admit that he's hurt by JJ breaking up with him. JJ could have been more vocal, but it is still unknown if JJ brought up his issues with Leo before (aka we need more context) but based on how Leo has proven to forget what JJ says before, it would not surprise me if JJ has brought up the conversation only for Leo to forget.

Also to those saying JJ has said nothing about why they broke up, he did! He point blank asked Leo if he had ever considered JJ his boyfriend. It should not all be on JJ to explain, Leo is an adult, he is capable of considering what JJ says.

Leo is in deep denial and it's bitting him back. What JJ did at the warehouse (assault) was not good, so don't twist my words, but from now on JJ is going to put himself first and Leo second because sex friends don't act like a romantic couple. Leo is hurt only because he's beginning to realize that JJ has done a lot for him - acting like a personal trainer at times rather than as just a mechanic, which he was under no obligation to do. Leo expected to still be treated like before, with JJ following behind him or spoiling him, but now Leo only gets at max 2 hours with JJ and none of the extra stuff. It's sad because JJ is being petty, because he seems tired of trying to give Leo chances. Is it healthy? No! JJ should have just cut off the relationship but now he wants to hurt Leo.

And that is my point, both are wrong. It's not a Leo is the only one wrong or JJ is the only one wrong, both are wrong. Both are being stubborn, petty, and can't communicate to save the relationship. It's going to be a long journey for both.

And just to make things clearer, imagine this story is instead about a husband and wife. The wife does a lot for the husband, but he only cares about himself and expects the wife to just care for the home and himself without considering her own time. One day the wife says let's divorce, he would probably be one of those husband's who goes "it came out of nowhere!" But it didn't. The strain was there and the cracks went too deep, but he didn't listen, he expected all the physical and emotional weight to be on his wife because she chose to be a stay at home wife - she chose to care for the home! But that choice, didn't give him the right to just expect pampering all the time and to be free of the emotional burden of reminding his wife he loved her. Maybe the wife should have left earlier or spoken up more, but the problems were there and it would be selfish to expect only her to carry the emotional weight of their relationship.

Sorry for the long post again, I just wanted to express my feelings.

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The one thing that really bothers me is that when Leo and JJ had that one argument at the club, JJ insinuated that he was wasn't bothered by the idea of Leo seeking other ppl out for sex dueing their relationship. I don't know if he was being serious but if my boyfriend said that I would flip! What do you mean I would cheat on him?! What do you mean he would be fine with it?!

I don't know how Leo hasn't questioned JJ about it, it is just weird to me. It's one of the many things JJ has said outright, so it does stand out. To me this really shows that Leo doesn't really take into account what JJ says, because it would piss me off but Leo just lumps it together as one of the things JJ has held back and nothing more.

Also, I wonder exactly why JJ feels this. At first it seems like something related to security in their relationship, but it being something that JJ holds against Leo makes it significant with other context (like how Leo is a big party goer). I wonder if there was a misunderstanding in the past about it.

I've added this one of the many things they need to talk about for my sanity ┗( T﹏T )┛

The crash itself was a wake up call for Leo, but Leo is still not ready to admit it. The crash wasn't deadly but it came about because Leo refuses to grow up. He's not taking responsibility for his own well being, physically or psychologically, because he has been so reliant on JJ. Now JJ is not in the clear because he did not communicate all his feelings, leading to Leo continuing like nothing was wrong, but JJ is right when he called out Leo on not being 19 anymore but still acting the same. Leo is a grown ass adult, he should be able to rely on himself, especially as a professional in his field. He let himself go, continued clubbing, let his ego win over reasoning, leading to his crash. He was lucky nothing serious happened but he put blame on having lost JJ (his fortuna) rather than his own lack of self-care and self-control. He's gonna receive another wake up call from JJ however.

I believe in his conversation with JJ, Leo will express regret and try to artificially repair their relationship. He may even call JJ his fortuna and outright state why he wants to get back together, which WILL anger JJ. So far JJ has wanted distance from Leo, not because he loves him less or bc he got a better offer somewhere else, but because he wants Leo and him to have a better relationship by being able to grow as individuals in a relationship. So far it seems Leo gets more out of the relationship than JJ, we see it in the first chapter where Leo has sex with JJ but only receives his own gratification and leaves JJ on his own (High and dry). JJ also strangely seems to not be completely bothered by the idea of Leo sleeping with others, and while I assume it may have come from a misunderstanding it seems that JJ doesn't believe that Leo really loves him. JJ may believe that their relationship is more transactional than it truly is, and that's why he questions if Leo has ever seen him as his boyfriend. Thus, Leo coming to talk to JJ about JJ being his fortuna (rather than someone he loves) may cement the idea that Leo does not see their relationship like JJ does. Ultimately, JJ might leave and Leo will have to make a decision - his ego or his relationship.

See, I understand ppl being mad at T, because he is running away when E needs him, but I think it's reasonable in his own thought process. Now, keep in mind that when you are mentally unwell, you zero-in on your toxic/negative thoughts more over anything else. You can see it with T tunning out from the conversation with the doctor and how at the end he "takes on" the depressed appearance of E from the past. While E is healing and learning to move on despite the hurt caused to him, T is only now truly taking in the consequences of his actions and he's struggling to move past his actions to see that E actually wants to be with him.

He was already ready to free E from himself after rescuing him, so his mentality is already leaning toward E being free from himself. However, E decided to forgive him and while T has done terrible things, most of them can be overcome with time, but a baby? That's a more constant reminder and an even bigger consequence of his actions, and T knows E cares about his family, so he can't even imagine how hurt E would be. Will E have to endure more pain to forgive T again? T isn't logically thinking right now, he's only focused on wanting to stop hurting E, but with the miscarriage news his negative thinking is being re enforced. E will only stop hurting when T stops holding onto E.

Another point is that, T might believe that E doesn't actually want to be with him. Again, a negatively re-enforced though. T may think that E might have only been wanting to be with T because of the pregnancy, which could work in the same fashion as the debt, as another form of controlling and holding onto E by force. E may realize one day that he doesn't love T but may find himself trapped in the relationship again. T just wants E to be free and happy but T has only hurt him and chained him and the miscarriage news severs any little rationale left in T to forgive himself and move on.

Unfortunately, I believe that T may be going through the same thing as E initially did. T may feel stuck, unable to live without E but unable to forgive himself enough to return to E. I think he may consider suicide as a method to deal with this crossroad. He may run away, hide, or just avoid E enough to earn the money to support E and his brother, deciding to sink himself into the ocean. He may just run away now and try to commit suicide. Regardless, it definitely feels ominous for T to suddenly have the same design as E from when E was suicidal.