I know this is supposed to be cute (?) or whatever but man, that kid might have really needed a friend. He could have been queer without community. I dislike this side to Dojae and I dislike how people incorrectly use neurodivergency to excuse it. Sigh.
Same! That kid seemed like he just needed a friend. Dojae is really getting to be too much. He's secluding our boy from most of his friend group too. Like, not letting him go home to take care of his sick friend? That was messed up.
But also it's always funny when folx try to control what happens on the discussion board. It annoys me when a comment section of a favourite title is filled with negative comments or (what I think are dumb) misinterpretations but I just stop reading the comments for a while. I can only control myself, idk. Too crazy? Like, the negative reaction is inevitable if the author keeps switching up the vibe in the side stories with Big Potato. I appreciate the translator's note tho, thanks GnY.
I know someone points this out every chapter but goddamn Seo is so so beautiful just the most handsome face in life. How are folx not fainting around him all the time.
Have to say the pairing of dialogue with art, the facial expressions of dumb ex and Yeonjo, was so so good. Yeonjo actually bared some of his soul in that moment and all emo ex could think was, Oh, this is all about me and my feelings, isn't it? Yeonjo had to look away and collect himself. I need this in book form.
Glad to see redhead back he's so sweet. Yeonjo, please don't get him killed.
Winter needs a friend he can share things with so that he's less in his head all the time, someone cool and understanding with whom he can air out these sort of situations. Not a psychiatrist and not his crush. Just a good friend. Whether he is "right" to have these expectations or not they are to be expected because a part of him knows Gyeo-wol is interested. Gyeo-wol gets super involved in his life and then draws a neat line in the sand, on the grounds of being frank about work priorities. Of course, seeing dating rumors right after would make Winter feel confused and lied to not just as a crush turned down but as a *friend* who expected honesty but sees behaviour that seems to state otherwise.
That's what the therapist means when he says Gyeo-wol can't treat ppl like cats. You can't rely only on practical gestures when emotional matters need to be addressed. And he knew lol. He knew how Winter would feel, Gyeo-wol is thinking about Winter too in this moment, but he avoided communicating with him about it because, among other things, it would acknowledge their emotional bond despite everything.
I couldn't agree more! They're both super complicated characters with their very own complex issues so I appreciate you looking into it deeper. Winter also needs to realize that he IS and anxious person and it's obvious he has some anxiety disorder mixed in with PTSD from the kidnapping probably. And I'm sure there's some other serious shit that hasn't been revealed yet about Gyeo-wol cause the way he treats people and his friend outright telling him not to treat people like cats is just NOT NORMAL IN ANY WAY? lol
Yes, with you 100% on this. That's why Winter needs another release valve so he doesn't go spilling out on Gyeo-wol all the time (especially as he continues to get therapy and possibly more vocal about things). As for Gye-wol LOLOLOL. He is locked up so tight even from himself it seems. Very curious about what's in his past.
Im going to speculate, but i think that similarly to Winter, Gyeo-wol never had a real, genuine relationship with another person, weither as a friend or a romantic partner. Like we've seen with his group, none of them actually like eachother, they're only brought together because of a contract and money, and me think it has been like that for him all of his life. And I think his family is quite wealthy ? Which would mean people would be more interested in his status rather than himself. As well as some pressure from the same family to act/be/study a certain way
That being said, from what his cousin said he had a shift at one point, so maybe (probably) something more specific happened then
I'm theorizing maybe Gyeo-wol grew up with a tough childhood? Like parents that were not there emotionally for him. Maybe they did feed him and provide the basics but he never built an emotional bond which can lead to him being an adult not knowing how to communicate his feelings like he's doing right now.
I mostly talked from what we were shown but i sure wouldnt be surprised by some good old parental emotional constipation
Oh is this some kind of actual story trying to take form? Because up until this point I was bored as hell with this endless series of "omg I'm so into you let's fuck blush blush" for umpteenth chapters.
YEAH i really wanna see more of the seme but alone without the uke, all i know until now is that he loves joobin and wants to fuck him all the time like ok we get it but still
I'm so proud of Winter. I don't think I've ever been prouder of a fictional character before. lol I'm so glad he finally told someone.
This is all very poignant but also why litter the river what did it ever do to you damn.
His family died there
LMAOOOOO
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Seriously -.- he couldve hung them shoes up on a pole in the area or something
Not gonna lie i was thinking the same but was trying to ignore the thought so it didn't ruin the solemnity of the symbolism he was trying to achieve there
But a tinny voice in my head was "trash in the river"
I-
I can see you're fun at parties.
When the earth buckles under all the pollution and the animals rise up in anger to destroy us we can just push Lilas out front and have them explain things.
I leave the comments that I do for stories where characters say explicity, in officially translated English: "No." "I don't like this." "Wait." "Stop" With clearly drawn expressions of anxiety, of distress, of coerced physical response. And readers who swear on their ancestors graves and their favourite soda that "This is just fiction" and "Everybody knows what they're reading" will reveal the exact opposite. So here we go. This is long.
In sexual relationships, consent is present when it is *clearly* communicated: whether that's vocally, in sign language, however the parties involve best communicate. When anyone communicates "No" and the partner does not stop, does not check in with their partner but continues to have sex, the experience has become *nonconsensual*. It's not dubious. Where is the doubt in "No"? You are not a psychic. You are not a god. You do not have access to the partner's inner thoughts. It does not matter if their genitals have turned into the largest waterfall or the biggest mountain in your country. No means no, *unless* the partners involved have agreed to a sexual relationship in which they role play dubcon/rape scenarios and have a safe word that either will use if they want to stop.
Even *if* a partner involve changes their mind after they rejected another's sexual advances before *at best* the situation is a coerced sexual encounter and still a violation. Why? Because the person tried to assert their agency, their will, and was ignored. They were rendered powerless and any decisions made in a situation where you feel you cannot control what happens to you because the other will not listen is *compromised*. It is violence.
We know there are dubcon stories out there but *key aspects* of evaluating those stories is a lack of a "No" or similar rejection of the advance AND the reader having access to that character's inner thoughts. In thise case we would know know exactly what Woo Won is feeling, his uncertainty, hesitation and so on. None of that is present in chapters 59 or 60. What we get is Seo-An's thoughts which automatically put the reader in *his* position and makes us more sympathetic towards him rather than Woo Won. Some comments here play into another big myth: that partners in romantic relationships can't rape each other or there's some kind of higher threshold they have to meet. If they are already in a relationship and love each other if someone says "No" he doesn't really mean it, they must mean something else it, it must be maybe, not now or 5 minutes later, or let me shower first. In chapter X Woo Won was into it so he has to want it now no matter what.
All of that? It's rape logic. It's rape culture.
Look. It's okay to read fucked up stories. It does not make you a bad a person. But it is critical that we understand what we're reading. If you refuse to recognise it in a webtoon on a screen you're reading in private how the hell are you going to do so IRL?
BL is filled with stories where characters say, "No" "It hurts" "I don't want to" "Stop" and then the couple falls into a happily ever after with no consequences. Or the characters, say "No" and then later "Oh, I didn't mean it, tee hee" without the writers showing the couple having a discussion about what they're into sexually, how they get off on dubcon, and so these are the terms. These are unrealistic normalizations of dysfunctional abusive relationships, for the most part. Some writers are good at writing these taboo situations because they understand the dynamics and what gets readers gagging. But most of the time, imo, indulge in a careless romanticization of rape and an erasure of trauma in a world where sexual violence is not taken seriously, especially when partners are in a queer relationship.
Please search for resources on this issue. There is nothing wrong with being "rape-sensitive" ffs. Everyone should be!
Did you have the same feeling when Woo was eating seo’s ass and seo said no? Cause I didn’t see these keyboard warriors then.
Oh I'm very sorry. I forgot to report to random dumb fucks in the comment section to record all of my thoughts on every chapter of this webtoon. I'll clock in next time, brat.
Weird way to say you didn’t care then but okay. Way to stay consistent.