BrokenEchoes's Topics (170)

i know you are looking it from your perspective anf you tryna project some of your feeling in this but for starters they were not lovers, it was mostly a political relationship between the families, so coming back to your question. yea i would have relationship with other people if the one i am gonna marry doesnt give a shit about me ╮(￣▽￣)╭ . also why do people only read the firts 3 chapters and dont ry to understand the story?

Sorry to burst your bubble but Carcel has not been given character development. What you see is exactly who Carcel has always been. The later arcs will prove it to readers in spades. What the manhwa has been showing is his CHARACTER REVELATION. Who he is as a person rather than who Ines falsely thinks he is.

What I find the most amusing are readers thinking their forgiveness has bearing on the story. Sure, they can continue to complain in the comments section and focus only on Carcel’s past but their feelings have no bearing on the story. They always think they’re advocating for Ines while disregarding what Ines actually thinks and wants. This is the strange phenomenon I find about readers of this story who claim to care about Ines.

I didn't say they were lovers. I said someone you (he) loves. There's a difference. I wouldn't sleep with someone if I was in love with someone else, even if I thought they didn't love me. That's not how my heart works. Maybe it's different for you and that's fine. We're all allowed to have our own opinions.

I'm completely up to date with the story and I understand it perfectly. I can point out a character's flaws and love a story at the same time. Again, it's fine if you can't do that yourself. We're all different after all.

I haven't read the later arcs so there's no point in expecting me to know whether it's character development or character revelation.

I'd argue that it's development though because I've SEEN him fool around with another women and now I SEE him choosing not to. That means he's changed in some way, hence the word "development". I just hope he doesn't do anything dumb in the future. That would be character revelation .

Carcel didn’t even know he loved Ines until she almost died around ep34 or so. I truly don’t understand why some readers are confused about this when it was portrayed in the manhwa when he was crying by her bedside. It’s in hindsight that Carcel realized he might have liked her when he was a teenager.

or when they bring their personal life in a story thats doesnt have anything to do about them, compraring your feelings to a story that we havent finished yet and we still dont have the knowledge about how its gonna go, but yea "my feelings were hurt how would he do that to her ?" (￣∇￣")...

I'm not sure what part of my comment implied that my forgiveness/feelings have any bearing on the story. Feel free to enlighten me .

I can love Ines as a character and dislike a character that she loves because I'm a reader and we're two separate people.

If a FL was in love with an abusive ML, do I have to love that ML just because she does and I care about her? I don't think so. Is that so hard to understand?

That's debatable. Just because you haven't named an emotion, it doesn't make that emotion non existent.

But if that was the case, it would mean that he pursued Ines prior to and in the earlier days of their marriage purely because he wanted her for her body only. Which is equally gross and would be yet another reason for me to dislike him.

Um I hate to break it to you but all comments are based on the reader's feelings/thoughts.

I FELT THIS LMAOOOO

There was someone here who hated cheating because their dad cheated... Like who asked u to trauma dump in a piece of FICTION.

Like I'm all for healing but we read fiction for some form of escapism from our own lives. It's therapeutic. So don't bring your real life bullshit here

Honey, what exactly have you been reading? I’m convinced the manhwa is either doing a terrible job at adapting this story or readers just don’t understand this story. When exactly was Carcel pursuing Ines?

The early days you are referring to didn’t even involve courtship. When Carcel got ready to court Ines, she refused to see him and rejected his visits. That was when he was still a virgin and he decided to walk away because on some level he understood she didn’t give a damn about him.

Let me break it down to you. Engaged people normally try to meet and grow their relationship in preparation for marriage. It’s why we saw in a flashback that the crown prince often visited Ines’s home and they had 10 years of courtship. Poor Carcel was being used by Ines since he was 6 years old so none of the friendly courtship was experienced by him. Even Oscar got treated better by her than him. During this period of time, Carcel didn’t even know what love is. It’s later when he’s married Carcel learned what love is by identifying the feeling. And even so, I doubt it was anything strong that Carcel realized in hindsight that he might have felt as a teenager. It’s more than likely just a quiet feeling of affection which if allowed to grow would have turned into love.

Exactly. Ines isn’t even like them so her feelings aren’t like theirs. They’re probably self-inserting in place of Ines. They should recognize this isn’t an Isekai story. Ines is not the least bit disturbed by Carcel’s premarital life.

More and more I understand why some novel readers are annoyed that this story was released through Kakao. By this mere fact, it attracts readers that shouldn’t even be reading this story that’s intended for a mature audience. If Ridibooks had been the manhwa publisher, it would have been abundantly clear that this is aimed at mature readers.

It's fine for him to love her, not know he loves her, and decides to sleep around because Ines had no interest in him. You're speaking as if you expect a man to keep clinging onto you when you don't want his love or attention. Some who call him a possessive stalker while others would be happy that he's leaving them alone. Ines was happy he left her alone. She didn't want him clinging onto her since her plan was for him to stray. Ines knew he was interested in her when they were young, and that made her double down on making him lose interest in her. It was just coincidental enough that the time when she least paid attention to him with her plotting that made him finally acted on what she wanted.

Why does your forgiveness matter? YOU are not the one in a relationship with him. Ines doesn't have to forgive him when SHE never felt he had done anything wrong. Even if Carcel was to apologize, SHE would tell him to stop apologizing when he had done nothing wrong.

Love how everyone's take on this is what Carcel's mother said about Carcel but somehow ignore what she said about Ines. She didn't only call out Carcel's wrongs. She also called out Ines' wrongs for not even paying any attention to her son. This just proves that there are people who can see that Ines wasn't a good fiancee either so Carcel also has every right to stray. Everyone is thinking that Carcel is the one that's bad but why should he cling to a girl who didn't even like him. If a boy I didn't like kept clinging to me just because he loves me, I would get annoyed so I would be happy if he slept around and left me alone. They weren't even dating. They were in a forced engagement that Ines forced to go with her plans. So you're telling me that you'll force a boy who you don't like into an engagement with you and expect him to cling to you just because he likes you but you don't even like him. Sure.

I've been reading the story fine and the manhwa is doing a great job because I don't completely hate Carcel. I just hate that he's sometimes inconsiderate during sex and that he slept around while they were engaged. I don't care if that was the norm back in those times.

Thank you for the break down but none of that changes what I think. Carcel started properly courting Ines after she caught him with that women right at the beginning and that was only because he wanted to prove that she was wrong about him. Around the same time he started getting physically attracted to her.

He later admits that he felt bad after sleeping with the first woman. Why would he feel bad if he didn't feel anything for Ines in the first place? Pretty sure he went out to the military because he couldn't bear her lack of interest too.

So he must have had some awareness of his feelings but decided to sleep with that woman anyway. Possibly out of spite because Ines was ignoring him.

I'm not saying Ines was right to do what she did but at least we can understand why she did it. She had two lifetimes of trauma to work through. What's his excuse?

Clearly we have very different definitions of love. I don't believe you can sleep with someone else when you truly love someone.

If he knew she wasn't interested in him and decided to marry someone else - and sleep only with them - then it wouldn't be so bad. But he held onto her and fooled around. I'm sure being disliked by someone he was interested in him was hard but it's no excuse.

From his point of view, he could have broken things off with her first. However from a reader's point of view, this flaw in his character is necessary to the story. I accept it but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

When did I say my forgiveness matters in the story?

They're fictional. It doesn't matter. I wouldn't get engaged to a boy with the intent of divorcing him later in the first place. And if I wasn't dating him, which I wouldn't do if I had no interest in him, he would be free to do what he likes. But that wasn't the case in this story and I'm free to dislike certain behaviours if I want to.

Wait, so you think a person’s conscience only work if they’re in love? What kind of nonsense is this? Someone can regret their behavior after realizing they were wrong, immature, irresponsible, etc. Regretting sleeping with the first woman when he was a teenager is naturally something any teenager would feel after losing their virginity. Even teenagers who are in a relationship can feel guilt after sleeping with their boyfriend or girlfriend for the first time.

Carcel never courted Ines in this timeline. Ines showed up in front of him to work her reverse psychology to remind him that they are 23 years old and way passed the marriage age. I just love how the manhwa have people here thinking that Ines showed up without motive. She schemed that entire thing so she can prompt him to propose marriage so she can set her divorce plan in motion. Manhwa got people thinking Ines is some kind of saint when she’s far from it. They always justify all her behavior. Kind of reminds me of that saying about characters who have trauma is always given a pass to walk all over people.

I honestly wished you totally hated Carcel rather than half-assing it. However, that’s not my problem so it doesn’t matter in the end.

He held on to her? She’s the one who held on to him so that she can use him. Her father wanted to break the engagement and she’s the one who prevented it because she has her plan to use him. Just to show how ungrateful she is, this is the kind of thing she intended to do to someone who save her ass, her child and her lover that she ran away with. He risk his family being accused as traitors to help her in the previous timeline and she deliberately decided to use him and dump him after he helped her in the previous life. What a good woman she is and how blind are her simps to her faults.

Some of these readers think the world is black and white. They shouldn’t even be reading The Broken Ring which is a story with a lot of messy characters, events and behavior just like the real world. They really should be reading those manhwa with both virgin male and female leads but for some reason they’re still reading this story for whatever reason.

He wasn’t in love with her at the beginning, nor was Ines.

And even if someone is in love, they never mutually consented or agreed to a relationship. It was all one sided on Ines’s part; she forced the engagement.

Wanted her for only her body, then he wouldn’t have fallen for her. And you haven’t read properly if you think he only wanted her body. But it’s also not exactly 100% readers fault cause the manhwa covers a lot up where in novel, it describes that Carcel tried to pursue Ines with his innocent mind, asking his parents to give advice or another, while Ines was manipulating and planning to use him.

You know, for someone who seems to think they're a mature reader and anyone who dislikes Carcel isn't mature enough to understand the story, you certainly like to ignore facts and misconstrue/generalise what people say a lot

They both held onto each other for their own reasons. That I won't deny. But who are you calling a simp? I'm not the one defending a grown man who has the power to say no, break the engagement, and decide who he fools around with. He's not a baby.

He was manipulated as a child, yes, but the actions I have an issue with happend when he was an adult. Even if I let what happened when he was a teenager slide, it doesn't change the fact that he was still sleeping around as a man with a fully functioning brain.

I can hold Ines to account for her flaws. Can you do the same for Carcel? If not, I'm pretty sure that makes you the simp, not me.

That's funny. One of the main reasons I enjoy this story is because if the messy characters but sure, you carry on thinking you're the only reader who appreciates morally grey characters/webtoons .

I know she wasn't. I'm not so sure about him.

She might have forced the engagement when they were kids. Are you saying he wasn't man enough to break it off before sleeping around? If it wasn't mutual, why did he care about being caught by her? He could have just said that they're not even in a relationship so she has no say in what he does. But he didn't.

You can start off being attracted to someone physically and then slowly fall in love with them. Is that such a weird concept to you?

And if you think he didn't want her for her body at all, it's clear you haven't been reading properly. Or perhaps you skipped the panels where he was dreaming about her getting naked for him or where he was ogling her body shape/mentally complaining about her clothes? How convenient.

I don't care how it is in the novel. I'm only judging the story based on what this webtoon has shown me so far.

LOL Since when I don’t hold Carcel to his flaws. You might think I fault him for sleeping around but I don’t. There is nothing I hate more than clingy losers who would hold on to someone after being repeatedly rejected. That is why I support Carcel in living his life however he saw fit. Ines herself don’t blame him either.

Appreciate morally gray characters? LOL So you claim.

At least I’m not here harping on Carcel’s past like some of you readers who are literally obsessed with his past. Immaturity stays in a place of no growth. No matter how much has already been revealed to show Carcel’s character apart from Ines’s shallow pov of him, you readers are still stuck on the first few chapters of this story. Even Ines has long admitted that she misjudged him and will continue to do so right to the very end of the story as the truth continually slaps her in the face.

That’s because they’re not actually interested in new information. Therefore, Carcel’s mother revealing what she observed about Ines’s zero interest in him, her expression of concern that her son would spend the rest of his life looking at Ines’s back, Ines’s own admission that it’s no longer like that, and Isabella’s concern for the young couple means nothing to readers like this. They rather focus on the first 10 chapters and not the next 64 chapters. That’s why this comment section always discuss the same thing over and over.

They’re also completely blind to Ines’s flaws that the manga didn’t cover up and justifies everything she does just because she still had a hymen when Carcel first slept with her. Even when she herself slept with a stranger whose name she didn’t even know, they justify it. Not really surprising because we’ve seen so many times that female leads can do no wrong and if they did, it’s always justified.

Oh, and we mustn’t forget her trauma caused by the two bad choices she made in men. That entitles her to always get sympathy even when she chooses to screw over the one man who has helped her in all of her past lives and the one man who has never hurt her.

“Man enough” yikes. Girl do you think it’s that easy to break off an engagement just cause he’s a man? Nope. In their society both of them are from equal household powers, Ines is from a powerful household.

And he was engaged when he was a kid. It’s a promise between families, HE wasn’t the one who agreed to it so he can’t break it off without his family. As for Ines, she was a grown woman in a kid’s body at the time she forced Carcel to be engaged.

They only see what they want to see. They claim they see Ines’s flaws but it’s just all talk because they would NEVER make a main comment talking about Ines’s flaws. That’s because they don’t actually think she has flaws.

Well said. I don’t know what’s hard about admitting that there’s more to it than just “cheating”. And I’m not too sure if Carcel loved her at the beginning but from what I saw in manhwa, clearly neither of them loved each other and Carcel felt that he wasn’t loved either. So I don’t get the question: “Would you cheat on someone you love” when Carcel doesn’t love.

Carcel didn’t understand he liked her as a teenager and even if he did like her for a bit, it was never allowed to grow into something worth talking about. Carcel is a very genial person when it comes to Ines. He sees her bad personality since he was as young as 6 years but he’s so easy going that he always likes her in every timeline by age 7. Carcel himself doesn’t know this unless the circumstances allow him to realize it.

In the hidden timeline he knew because he was actually in a courtship that was headed to early marriage. In this current timeline, Ines had been filling his head with nonsense. Even after they married, and Carcel thought he fell for her, she dissuaded him and told him those aren’t his feelings. This was before her near death experience. Then after her hear death experience, Carcel gained clarity and realized on his own that his feelings are those of love. That’s because Ines wasn’t there to further confuse him about what he was feeling because she was unconscious. There is even one point in the novel, around the time of their wedding, that Carcel tells her point blank to stop trying to brainwash him.

I know you don't fault him for sleeping around. Obviously . Maybe that's normal for you but it's not for me.

Clearly you're not here to have a conversation since you keep ignoring what I say, and saying the same things over and over again.

No matter what I say, you'll probably think I'm an Ines simp and it seems like you're going to remain a Carcel simp either way.

So this is pointless and I have better things to do with my time. I wish you and the other Carcel simp a very good day.

Explaining does not equate to being a wimp.

Simp*

A good day to you too, Ines-simp.

Their problem is they pick and pick at one thing then claim they see Ines’s flaws but don’t actually mean it because in the end they really do think she’s justified.

You're right. But justifying a character's gross behaviour just because you find them attractive and attacking anyone who disagrees with you certainly does.

Have a lovely day.

Nobody’s justifying either, just admit you have nothing to pull out. I’m sorry you felt attacked by a conversation.

lmao what is this argument, so funny ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦). You should just let them with their own opinion, if someone is this close minded and stubborn just stop arguing with them because at the end your only wasting your energy and time. Also they looked like a manhwa reader so no wonder they pick the details they liked and discarded the one they disliked. I as a novel reader though completely understand your frustrations as the manhwa really did leave out a lot of informations and scenes.

Yeah, good advice. I personally can’t walk away all the time from arguments (one of my issues)!
And yeah I also heard that the ones who made the manhwa are biased and that’s why readers don’t know more of Ines’s flaws in detail so 50% fault readers and the other on the manhwa creator.

It’s such a waste too that all some people see is the first ten chapters while one of the most beautiful things about this story is Carcel’s unwavering love for Ines and Ines’s realistic but beautiful transformation because of that love. I know that when the story ended and the side story began, I found it so amazing how much she had changed even though she had been changing since the Calztela arc. The journey to get there had many remarkable moments and events.

Haunts me like a ghost from time to time srsly traumatic

Same. And I wouldn't have it any other way .