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What? Why?! I mean, she's not ENTIRELY hateable, but she's like 85% manipulative bitch... She kissed Ayukawa when he passed out... A nurse preyed on a guy who literally passed out from sickness... It's a good thing this isn't psychological, she'd have gotten herself pregnant... I get her side, i really do, but she has done very questionable and downright bad shit. Her love has moved on to obsession, love doesn't make you want to ruin the person's life. she KNOWS what it meant when Ayukawa actually allowed himself to try to date Kawana, that he'd actually managed to open up. She still chose to whisper in Kawana's ear multiple times, then in Ayukawa's and she chose to keep Kawana away with that lie.

I know she has done some bad things and said things she shouldn't have. but at the end of the day, He was a big boy. what he did with his life was up to him. And like the other girl said, she takes care of all of them in and out of the hospital. being their complete support system when they need it. she didn't mean to fall in love with the guy. she even got married and tried to move on because she knew it wasn't right.
She is in twenty kinds of pain over him, and I can sympathize with that.

If you say so... I feel like you're really downplaying her influence on Ayukawa and in general really when you say "he was a big boy". You mention that she got married like it's a plus point in her category while not acknowledging that there are two people in a marriage, he loved her enough to marry her and was just being used. I'll agree that she is good at her job, aside from mixing personal feelings with work and then even preying on an unconscious patient. Not sure how this reflects on her misdeeds though, tbh. So, what? Because she works hard and is a nurse her objectively bad actions are less bad? She does a good job and helps people, yes, but that has nothing to do with her misdeeds. I can kill someone and go donate to charity and the kill should still weigh just as much. What does her job have to do with it? As far as her being in pain, she could've confessed instead of manipulating him and the people around him, she chose herself to stay with him and silently angst. She ended up just blurting out a confession anyways. I know what you're saying, i've taken everything into account, but she really can't be excused. Kawana was/is a huge part of Ayukawa's life, he was getting better (happy, a more positive outlook) after all he's been through and, despite having been there with him when he was at his worst, despite seeing him overcome everything, she still chose to take that happiness away out of jealousy. That isn't love, it's obsession.

I would still say Ayukawa and Kawana are the one's in the relationship together. They made the decision, the both of them to be together. so regardless what anyone else said, it's on them what happens in the relationship. Ayukawa ran away. Kanwana let him. That was all them.
I do know what she did with the kiss was inexcusable. But it's not like she ever, ever made a move like that a second time. I won't say anything about her marriage. we didn't see into it at all to make those kinds of "he was used" comments. I just see everyone making her the bad guy. When it's Ayukawa who was having the self-doubt, the pity party, and deciding to end things. he shoved her away. That's on his head. Not anyone else's.

We didn't have to see into the marriage, she literally said herself to Ayukawa that she got married "to see if i could get over you". She said she was using the guy and you can tell from the fact that they got married that he must've loved her. As far as Ayukawa goes, literally everyone was whispering in both his and Kawana's ears, of course they had doubts. They DID stay together, for quite a while. They WERE fighting it, but when Kawana was faced with the fact that she can't take care of Ayukawa when needed and when Ayukawa was faced with the fact that Kawana was suffering trying to stay with him they broke up. I can't say i agree with your "it's their fault since they're a couple" mentality, it completely disregards that Nagashima went in with the INTENTION of messing with Kawana's head and then breaking them apart. In what universe besides steven's do relationships stay together based on nothing but "we're a couple"? You aren't acknowledging the WEIGHT behind their problems either, this isn't some basic couple, Kawana will have to take care of him for life and he'll have to put his pride aside and accept that. There is deep psychological interference, so for you to say "they're a couple" as an excuse for the outside forces, not just Nagashima, conspiring to break them up, it seems ridiculous. I agree that Ayukawa pushed her away, though it was only after all the judgement and seeing Kawana hurting whittled his resolve down. To say "that's on him" is like saying that if you pushed me, i lost my balance and pushed someone else, it's my fault because i exerted force from my arms... It's like, no, you made me lose balance...

by it's on the couple, I mean, even if outside forces plague either of them. they should confide in each other and talk about it, try to resolve it. if they choose not to do that, it's their fault. they can't read each others mind. they have no trust in each other, that much is clear.
As for the marriage, we never saw if they were happy, or if she did have feelings for her husband. for all we know, they parted on good terms. We DONT know. We got a few lines. those lines aren't enough to decipher it.
Kawana is also at fault, for letting herself go. for freaking out so bad to the point she wasn't sleeping or eating, and pushing herself. She caused so much trouble onto an already freaked out Ayukawa. because if your partner is so worried they are deteriorating themselves, no one will believe they should be in a relationship with them.

I don't see your point about whether or not they trust each other, they were a relatively new couple with Kawana only having scratched the surface on what it means to be a caretaker before Nagashima started placing doubts in her head, trust builds over time. If everyone "should break up" because they lack trust at the very beginning of their relationship then give up everyone, the human population is going to get quite a bit smaller. Again, as far as the marriage goes, BECAUSE we haven't seen what happened in her marriage (and we probably won't as it isn't relevant to the story), ALL we can go off of is what IS there. She has explicitly stated that she married him to get over Ayukawa, you focusing on the lack of information on the specifics while ignoring what we WERE given isn't logical. Who cares what we DON'T know? We have facts that HAVE been given to us that need to be taken into account. Again you're blaming a character for actions that were influenced by outside forces. Kawana's health deteriorated as a result of her worry, yes, but what was the reason for her worry? Nagashima pointing out that she can't help Ayukawa when she's needed. You seem too biased, you have placed literally all the blame on Ayukawa and Kawana even though Nagashima has been verifiably manipulating things since she and Kawana met (you can physically see for yourself that Nagashima has been behind pretty much all of their relationship struggles. Each time something happens it either ties back to something Nagashima said or Kawana's family with most of her family troubles bringing things Nagashima said to Kawana's mind). You have yet to actually acknowledge anything Nagashima has done, all you've spent time doing here is trying to explain how, despite Nagashima's involvement in their troubles, it's somehow ONLY their fault because they're a couple. You just sit here trying to downplay everything she did so you can like her, i don't have to do that for any of the other characters. That's why Nagashima is a problem.

you act as though, if she weren't there, the two would still be together. like ayukawa wouldn't of had doubts and felt she was better off without him. It's in his nature to fall back to that place, ask his ex. And like kanwana wouldn't of gotten all stressed out with just the added complications that come with their relationship, and her family problems. i'm just saying, none of these things change with or without the nurse there.

As for her yelling at kanwana when ayukawa was sick that last time, it's understandable. trying to volunteer for a procedure you understand nothing about, and it was stressing the patient the fuck out, while he needed to be calm and recouping. I get why she got mad for that one.

They would? Ayukawa tried to get Kawana back, she feels guilty because she's already with Kureeda, but if Nagashima hadn't said they're dating they would've been able to talk. While with Kureeda, Kawana has never stopped thinking about Ayukawa, Kureeda even just said before they had sex that Ayukawa was still number 1 in her heart. She thinks Ayukawa's offer to get back together from the train station no longer stands because he's "with Nagashima now". She is only resigning herself to dating Kureeda because she cares about him and Ayukawa "isn't an option".

I completely agree with all of what you said! Your comments were quite well written . (=・ω・=)

oh god, looking at tags, "Hot" and "romance".
yeah, i'm going to be sick

does this have a lot of gore?

its just abuse and rape chapter after chapter. and it changes with who each chapter. the uke is a chew toy for a mentally unstable family

sexy piece of beast

But Yuki also doesn't tell the guys outright that Naruse is her boyfriend and she loves him so leave me alone. She allows all this flirtation without stopping it. I feel bad about Naruse who truly loves her and always has to worry that she will be taken from him. It is up to Yuki to stop all the guys from flirting with her. Of course Naruse feels insecure cause she is not doing anything to stop it.

Yup I agree .. for me Yuki is a bit naive... because she didn't feel how insecure naruse is

even based off the next chapter and spoilers, for 80, can you still say that? Because i don't think you can.
right now has nothing to do with yuki or what she is doing. it has to do with naruse and his own feelings, his confidence and pride. he feels inadequate compared to all the older, and stronger guys/basketball players. he feels intimidated because he is no longer the top dog, nor the only hot guy who notices yuki's good points. He took his frustrations and insecurities out on yuki. she didn't deserve it. when she was only trying to comfort him.

But Yuki knows he is insecure. She has had three guys go after her already and doesn't handle it good. She IS naive to Shou's feelings and having to keep going on with it. She keeps denying all these guys have feelings for her and Naruse lets her know they are after her and hasn't been wrong yet. I love this couple and love watching them grow but Yuki knew he was insecure about their relationship. It seems she ridicules him more lately. And NAruse keeps reminding her he loves her. How many times has Yuki directly told Naruse she loves him compared to him????

I seriously just made an account for this comment...
While I agree, that Naruse is acting a bit harshly, childhish even, it's also not that easy for him. The switch from being the best to being close to nobody can hurt your pride quite a lot. I think most students know that feeling: Something you excelled in school becomes so hard to do in university.
Yuki though does not support him at all in this. Her attempt in Ch. 79 is really...poor. Combine that with the fact that she basically goof around with every boy that talks more than two sentences to her is really annoying. How come that Naruse is the only person she ever gets mad at? From the start of this manga she would yell at him whenever he looked at her for three seconds, but getting hugged from Suwa or the other guy who's name I cant remember right now, there is like no response at all. Which is even more frustrating when you think how Naruse is handling all that. He even gave her his phone (before they started dating!) so she could delete all female numbers. Not once in this manga did he let himself get carry away by other girls and whenever he thought he engaged to much with another girl, he instantly came to Yuki comforting her (e.g. at the school festival, were she was jealous because a girl wispered something to him).

To conclude: Yes, Naruse is childish and his pride is getting his best, but he is the one doing all the work in this relationship. Tbh we are at a point, were in some times Naruse does two steps forward and Yuki makes two steps backwards, because of her cowardly behavior or just inappropriate tolerance of other guys flirts. Same in this chapter: Naruse snaps at her for once, because his two most important topics in life (Basketball and Yuki) are "at risk"...and her first thought is "i'm getting tired of it all"??? Tired of what?

Most of the time I really like this manga, the humor is gorgeous and their progress is often cute, but the drama is hillariously bad written. If this goes in a "lets split up the main couple for about twenty chapters" direction, I will quit.

i see it differently. she doesn't need to focus only on him. i think this is good. the relationship needs a bit change since they are older and in new environments, meeting new people. they are good together yes, but i also think they don't need to be so worried about other people coming into the middle of them at this point. they are committed and should trust that more, now that they have been in this relationship for quite a while.
Other guys may get close to her, but so what? She doesn't see them as anything. that WHY she never notices how they feel about her. they aren't even a possibilities, she is that committed to Naruse.
We all know Suwa doesn't even mean it. not in the romantic interest way. (we all have our bets on projected mommy issues onto yuki, not love). and Yuki works as manager, she can't not talk to Suwa or naruse's friend/rival (can't think of his name). Suwa is also a co-worker, and the person her best friend likes. Therefore he is in their lives.
and so she let these two hug her, so what? it's not like she let them kiss her. a hug doesn't mean anything.
We've already seen Yuki step into adulthood more, and start her way through college and friends. i feel like we need to see that growth with Naruse. enough with the "i don't care about anyone but yuki" attitude. i want to see him hang out with the guys and actually have fun. expand his character.
Honestly, yuki can try and comfort him any which way right now, but it's meaningless. he has to get over this one with his own strength. i'm not saying yuki shouldn't support him, we all know she will. but it's his shit to work out. she can't do it for him. no words will suddenly make him the best player.

Exactly! Naruse needs validation and that's totally fine because Yuki is lacking at this point. Naruse has always been up front about his feelings and his love towards Yuki and Yuki is being so tsundere about it. Wow. I'm with Naruse on this one.

Tbh I disagree heavily:

- "A hug means nothing" - Yes, it does. This is not a hug between two friends, it's guys hugging here in romantic-orientated ways (like now from behind). Again, just as a reminder: Yuki was flustered and pissed because a girl whispered into Naruses ear. He noticed that and responded to it, her first reaction to him being jealous is getting angry. Also if the love-interest of my best friend would make a move on me (while I'm even in a relationship), I REALLY would be angry and push it away.
- "She is the manager and can not talk to him" - That is also a problem. It is becoming somewhat of a meme, that she always put something quite meaningless before Naruse. Not saying she does not have the right for an own life or something like that, but it seems like "being the nice girl" is the most important thing. Then come her studies and on good days Naruse.
- "Yuki is stepping more into adulthood" - Honestly? I don't see that. She is still way too naive in her relationship. Sometimes it seems like she is still hiding the fact that they are dating, even though everyone knows it.
- "Naruse needs to figure it out himself" - True, but it would be way easier with support of his girlfriend, who at this point already has one year of university behind herself. For her it's just business as usual, so she really can help him. If she is not interested (or able) to be part of the solution, she atleast should try to not be part of the problem. When you take into account how many sacrifices Naruse did for her, that should be the least she could do.

I totally agree. Yuki comes first to him and then basketball. She is treating her management of more importance and not once have I seen her place Naruse first. How does she expect Naruse to feel when guys are all over her and he is her boyfriend always telling her he loves her. When does she say she loves him to him???? How can anyone be that naive while all the guys are flirting with her. How would she like it if the opposite was true for Naruse? She needs to wake up and put Naruse ahead of all other things and people. And you are right, she always yells at only him and keeps calling him an "idiot". But Naruse is very smart in school work. I wish that Yuki would GROW UP!

I agree....totally.

Yuki just needs to physically put some distance from all the guys on the team other that her boyfriend. There is no need for the others to physically touch Yuki in any way. If my husband saw a guy hug me from behind... all hell would break loose. It is not proper whan in a relationship and this guy says he wants to take her away from Naruse. Did anyone else read that part besides me???

i think you all missed the part in my second comment, that i was talking INCLUDING chapter 80 and the very detailed summary on it. i said can you read that and say the same thing? all you saying she doesn't tell him to back off, that she is with naruse, that is exactly what she does in 80. and naruse just mumbles something under his breath at her like a child. and talks to kido-sempai, who mentions he is "maturing" and "growing". thus where my arguments came from about his growing up and all that.
if you aren't going to read the part i said i was referring to, then why are you getting all mad about shit that happens, exactly like you wanted.
i can go farther, and tell you Suwa has mommy issues and that is most likely what he is projecting onto yuki, even if he doesn't see it yet.
(someone posted them down the page.But i follow it already.)
yuki has changed. she knows how to handle herself and she is always thinking about naruse. And to you saying naruse should come before everything else, fuck that. that isn't healthy. i've been in therapy most my life, and that thinking is NOT healthy. Your partner is important, hell yes, but life doesn't always allow them to come first. people need to deal with that. sometimes work, or kids, or oh, managing the basketball team come first.
I say yuki has grown, in the sense that she is living on her own, working and in college. as where Naruse still lives at home and just started college. that's all i was referring to.

How that "growth" from Yukis part? She was always mature, that is one of the strongest charateristics of her since chapter 1. But her growth in a romantic way is extremly slow, nearly non-existent.
Same goes for Chapter 80 (small spoilers ahead): It seems like she will ponder over this quite a while...why?! It's very easy. Again, if this was Naruse, she would have been angry even before he touched her...

"Putting your partner first" in general is not healthy, yes. But putting him behind everything else and leech everything from his efforts is even worse. To stick to the example: Why would "managing the basketball team" and "helping your boyfriend" contradict themselves? And why the heck would you manage a team with two(!) dudes in it that have a romantic interest in you, without always underlining, that you are in a relationship? She does not have to be neutral all the time. Comforting Naruse is not forbidden in any way. Thats what I meant with "sometimes it seems like she is still hiding it". Whenever the numbers of people in the room become more than Naruse and her, he will always drop in her priority list.

Last but not least, Naruse: Yes, in ch. 80 he becomes a bit more childish and impatience. But again, up to this point he had to deal 78 chapters long with Yukis problems, her flukes, her immature handling of their relationship, her bad communication skills and her extremly naive approach on guys hitting on her. He had to manage himself, her, his "career", school and their relationship. And now, for once, he is having a problem nagging on him and basically her first move is "well, time to get entagled with yet another guy and think a whole chapter over him, my boyfriend is occupied anyways"
In her position, she could (and should) not care less about the reasons for Suwas approach on her, the answer is "no", case closed, especially now, since her boyfriend is having some serious insecurity issues. But naaah, it's just Naruse on priority list spot 258, he can do it by himself.
And she really wonders why he is annoyed and snapped?

I totally agree

Yes I thinkk so too.... all you say is true

She also says that she doesn't know why she likes Naruse to Sawa. Like "huh" are you kidding me. Why is it he is the one who sacrifices everything for this relationship. She doesn't even seem to like to sleep with him. Where is her affection to him? I don't think she even realizes she is hurting him. He told Yuki that Sawa is flirting with her and she disagreed. Now she knows Naruse is right. Yuki needs to tell these guys that she "loves" Naruse and then let it go. But noooo.... I am starting to think who is the real mature one in this relationship. She does tell Sawa she won't leave Naruse's side at least.

SPOILER:
Someone said that in ether ch 80 or 81 that Sawa tells Naruse that he confessed to Yuki. Yeah! He is trying to split them up. He is feeding into Naruse's insecurity with Yuki. Nice guy...

Why doesn't Yuki understand that right now Naruse needs her more than before. He is feeling low about basketball right now. I don't understand her sometimes.

i don't get this. why do you guys keep saying she didn't try to comfort Naruse when he was down in this chapter?? She clearly was trying to comfort him and talk to him, and he is the one who turned around and shoots her efforts down. because he was feeling the strain of "being younger". He didn't even hear her out all the way, to her trying to say that he would support him, like always. He was being all forceful on her after that. and then going on to say that she clearly is fine with anybody.
Anyone would be royally upset after all that. i've never seen yuki so upset, as i did in this chapter. and the very next thing Naruse does is make a childish remark and walk away?? She doesn't need to say anything to "comfort him", not until he gives her an apology. because that was not okay.

i never said Suwa was a nice guy. he's being an ass. we can all see that. But i honestly don't think he likes yuki. he sees their relationship, and that she notices things about him that others don't. probably because she DOESN"T look at him in that way. there was also the flashback in chapter 80 where he wanted to be praised for his basketball playing, which yuki, as manager does. He's just being a giant child, with mommy issues.

Her try to comfort him was basically "aww, poor dog, let me pet you". It was horrible. Also, why the hell did she wait for so long? She just could have give him a hug when the game ended or something. She is not a professionel manager (actually she isn't even a manager, just co), she don't have to restrain herself in public. And after he enraged and left, she simply let it be? Thinking "Maybe I'm just tired of it all?" Well, congratz, thats is how Naruse feels like 78 chapters.
Also, while he certainly have to apologize at some point, he did just hit the mark. Whatever reason Suwa will have in the end, he just confessed in some way to her, basically saying "I want to break you up". So -again- Naruse was right. Go straightforward to him and tell him "I did not notice, you were right, I will keep my distance from this guy, sorry". When Naruse does not apologize for his behavior after that she still can be mad at him. But "being tired" the very first time she actually have to do something for this relationship? That's cheap.

It seems that Naruse is the one maturing, not Yuki. When they have sex, she pictures Naruse playing basketball to want to do it? Is that all she sees of him. Would she even be with him if he quit basketball? Naruse always gives in to her and it is time for her to give in to him and to also listen when he tells her someone is flirting with her. He told her twice and was right twice. He also feels she still loves the first guy and not him. That is pain sad. She is doing nothing to reaasure him. Yuki is starting to frustrate me. For the longest time I loved this couple and thought they were cute. There was a lot of humor in this series but lately there is too much drama in it and not enough humor and cute stuff like before.

You and me both, sis

I was lost too the speach bubbles didn't point at anyone specific at times.

so it wasn't just me. i'm over here like "Direct the speech bubbles, please"

At least we can take comfort in knowing the fact that the second story was SUPER FLUFFY FOR ONCE WITH A HAPPY ENDING AND ALL! My heart's also pretty worn out now.. I feel like crying, argh