Kokichi’s Grape Panta's Topics (143)

Pretty common for this website

He better stay deluded Atleast he'll be alive then. That's just how their relationship works.
MC is very soft for ML. He knows he's getting used manipulated but he's fine with this setting.

Both of them are weirdos. No normal person does what either of them did. Kinda double standards how one is creepy but the other is fine lol

Trueeee, both of them are creepy in their own way so it cancels out HAHAHHAHA

You get me ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Hihihi

u do know that yiseon was practically forced into joining a guild he wanted nothing to do with right? he didn’t owe the other guild members anything when he came up with the suicide plan at the beginning, i don’t agree w him putting the others into danger (but come on, they’re top classes it’s very unlikely any of them would’ve gotten seriously injured) but when that immense about of suicidal ideation gets to that point, victims aren’t in the right mindset to worry about others. yiseon lost not only his friends but also his parents and then was manipulated as well. his survival guilt is crazy. i wouldn’t say he’s perfect but he just took advantage of hyeons manipulation and made his own as well. not trying to argue im just curious how you see yiseon that way ╮(￣▽￣)╭

it is

It’s literally a dude and his wife, only his wife is in a man’s body. Surreal plot, but still heterosexual

You have to keep reading, it takes a minute

nope, I already read all the chapters, it's 100% bl, and as a spoiler…..
















in the last chapters the wife and his father no longer share bodies, the boy continues his relationship with the other boy, so yaoi

That’s just fucked up

It's not, spoiler....





















Both the girl and the boy realize that they were not in love, they got married because when she was drunk she approached the boy in an attempt to go against his father, but they were not a couple, nor did they have sexual relations, they were just two good friends and they realized that

The boy even realizes that he agreed to marry her because she was pretty, but he didn't have strong feelings for her but he had a lot of fun with her so in the heat of the moment he said yes.

And she also realizes that she didn't know him.

They were never dating to begin with, she only wanted to marry him because at that time her father did not appreciate the young man, and she still had fun being with him, practically playing video games and similar, not in romantic matters.

When they realize all this they decide to divorce, he begins to properly court the other boy.

The girl is happy for both her friend and her father and she is starting a possible relationship with another person at the moment,

So no, it's not fucked up, you just don't want to read and it's respected, the category is fine, this is bl, please accept your mistake and don't confuse the new readers who are looking for bl genre, it will be the rest's decision if they want to read or not because of the plot.

thank you for the explanation

Ty for the explanation but I never claimed it wasn’t BL after your initial summary of the plot. All I stated was that a man falling in love with his father in law is weird asf, which it is, regardless of his loveless marriage or newfound passion between the two.

you are welcome

Usually yeah, I also find these typa stories to be a bit icky and not my cup of tea.
However, the story, characters and general things that happen within it are so wack and even absurd as well as the fact that a manhwa with such title is somehow a slowburn romance instead of porn that I'm willing to make an exception

Also to add onto the other comment explaining [spoilers]: something that also makes it less problematic is the fact that the father had known and had feelings for the guy before the daughter had even met the guy, he was geniunly completly shocked and against their marriage so yeah

it might seem crazy what i'm about to say

You won't probably see that here?? because this is kind of slow life with just a lot of FRAN's cuteness.

Uh, this seems like a weird place to look for that but we do have an adorable robbery?

i am with you on this one

oh he’s got issues fr but calling him a narcissist for being depressed and suicidal and playing down his issues like this is kind of nuts. just a strange way to engage with traumatized characters making poor and reckless decisions imo but you do you

Seconding this

But it wasn’t reckless, and I’m not calling him narcissistic for being suicidal. He’s narcissistic for acting like he deserves a pulitzer for manipulating his way into getting a trip to the afterlife without even considering how it might affect anyone else. What he did was planned which means he had every opportunity to even consider the non self beneficial factors of killing himself, for example the trauma he was inflicting on the ML by forcing him to not only witness but be the catalyst to his suicide. He’s cruel and selfish for his actions, full stop.

Oh and not to mention he tried to kill himself with people STILL IN THE DUNGEON. On an already unstable field only being help up by his restoration powers. He literally tried to kumakaze that shit because of his own problems

Held*

Rose tinted glasses*

Yk what, Jaekyung has really helped dan soo much financially and it seems ppl don't realize it. Jaekyung literally paid Dan soo much money, even went to visit his granny in hospital and showed respect to her. Jaekyung even gave Dan tons of future salary and even let someone like him (a complete stranger), live with him in his house with him and where he lives alone (ig he doesn't fear anything or anyone because of his hot damn body), Jaekyung even saves uke from the loan sharks.
Speaking from the point of view of a prostitute and his customer, no customer goes that far for a prostitute really. Jaekyung can have anyone and f*ck anyone. But no one could've helped Dan. So Dan is not 'forced' to live with Jaekyung. I'm not justifying Jaekyung's power play and other stuff because you know what, they're NOT in a relationship. For Jaekyung it's strictly 'fuck buddies' but Dan is starting to fall for him and realistically speaking anyone would fall for Jaekyung in real life because
hey just imagine not having any kind of money but you really need it urgently for your sick granny in hospital. You work at many places but No place pays you much money and also loan sharks chase you every now and then. Then suddenly a job from a person shows up. And they literally seem like a guardian angel. Because they would literally give you the things which no one gave you before (point to be noted Kim Dan doesn't have parents so it makes all more sense to fall for someone who has done an act of kindness for you). The actual point here to be noted is that Jaekyung could have had anyone, could have literally helped dan once and let it be and move on. But he didn't. He helped Dan more with money, went to visit his granny, upgraded her hospital room, was really respectful to her, saved Dan from Gangsters/ loan sharks. Anyone less fortunate like Dsn in real life would fall for Jaekyung. I would.

I get this. is a terrible person, but he’s done good things to better Dan’s position in life. Dan feels a sense of gratitude and indebtedness to that he’s never felt for anyone before (other than his grandma) and this created a sort of reverse savior complex for Dan. My main ick is that feels the exact same way. He believes he’s entitled to do these things to Dan because he’s helped Dan get out of one terrible situation even though he’s just placed Dan into another terrible situation. is domestically abusing Dan in this sense by expecting sexual favors in exchange for the things Dan is now reliant on in order to survive and provide for his hospitalized grandmother. Even if this relationship is transactional and consensual in the sense that both parties are willing, it’s emotionally manipulative. Dan does not deserve to be taken advantage of in any way, not even if it means he gets to sleep in a house with a private pool.

I think you're forgetting something, Jaekyung ACTUALLY PAID Dan FOR THE 'SEXUAL FAVOURS' And yes I agree it is DEFINITELY power play in their relationship. But Dan is basically prostituting himself. And sadly prostitutes are literally treated like this in even real life which is actually heart wrenching but it is not emotionally manupulative. Jaekyung never forced Dan. It was just the circumstance which looks like Jaekyung is manupulative but he is not. He did take advantage of the situation but not to the severe point that it can be called manupulation. It's just a feeling because if he really wanted to manupulate, he actually could've and would've done worse things.

But it is manipulative. knows full well of Dan’s economic situation and took advantage of that by using money in exchange for sex. Dan may be into the sex, but he still has no choice but to cooperate because the alternative is being raped by loansharks and living in poverty. This is economical abuse often portrayed in relationships with domestic violence. Even though Dan benefits from the situation he’s in no position to refuse ’s advances, and knows this making their relationship abusive and manipulative.

To back up my claims just look at chapter 2. uses the 5k (basically chump change to ) that Dan needs in order to satisfy his jinx. He knows Dan needs this money and essentially uses a carrot and stick method to gain control over Dan and use him.

Girl him giving him money doesn’t justify abuse and rape. Prostitution is consensual. ML is a horrible person.

Taking advantage of someone one time doesn't automatically make them some master manupulator. Jaekyung was also in need to find someone cuz he kicked that ex partner earlier. Just my thoughts

There was no rape tho? It was dub con at most. Yes there was some sexual abuse but not rape

Some prostitution is consensual. They can be rape or sexually assaulted. https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/prostitution-buying-right-rape-rape-and-sexual-assault-iii-p-143#:~:text=Prostitution%20is%20sexual%20abuse%20because,very%20least%2C%20unwanted%20and%20coerced.

Prostitution is sexual abuse because prostitutes are subjected to various sexual acts that in any other context, perpetrated against any other woman, would be labeled assaultive, or, at the very least, unwanted and coerced.


There is no rape in Jinx.

Jaekyung DID NOT know Dan needed money. Dan had chosen and had choices.

I agree with you

At parts it is dub con and non-con but not rape.
Rape is non-con but non-con can many other things.
https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/nonconsensual
https://academicaffairs.syracuse.edu/faculty-affairs/policies-and-procedures/faculty-manual/4-2-sexual-activity-non-consensual/

". The University will not tolerate rape, sexual assault, or other forms of sexual violence or nonconsensual sexual activity."


Auniversity separating rape and nonconsensual


Any actual or attempted nonconsensual sexual activity including, but not limited to: sexual intercourse, or sexual touching, committed without physical force, coercion, threat, or intimidation; exhibitionism or sexual language of a threatening nature by a person(s) known or unknown to the victim."
Sexual touching is non con.

https://legalvoice.org/nonconsensual-pornography/
“Nonconsensual pornography” is when a sexually graphic image of you is shared without your consent.

https://www.youthpower.org/youthpower-issues/topics/non-consensual-sex
Non-consensual sex takes many forms, including forced sex, transactional sex, cross-generational sex, unwanted touch, and molestation.


Jinx is non-con (transactional sex) but it is not rape.

If you are meaning non-con for only rape then Jinx is not non-con.

Yeah bro

MC chose to sleep with Ml for money though so at their agreement is consensual. I'm not talking about people that are forced to prostitute, you’re missing my point.

Have you read it? MC didn’t give his consent and wished to stop numerous times, that’s rape.

It's actually prostitution. Because Dan could've run away anytime really...

No. You are missing the point. “MC CHOSE to sleep with ML for money so at their agreement is CONSENSUAL”.
Dan gave his consent. He did say no. But he give the consent BACK! You are cherry picking to your pov.
There is no rape in Jinx. Learn what rape is.

Regardless of if it was textbook rape or not it was icky on numerous occasions and the underlying context signifies it’s not morally right either. Rape or no rape, Dan still needs to get out of that situation

Not all noes mean no.
Read back. “No..I can do it.”
Not all of Dan’s no was telling him no. They were answering questions.


You have to understand both the characters. Sexual coercion is sexual assault but it is not rape. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sexual-coercion#examples

Only one example does that page says it is rape. The rest is sexual assault.

Rape has no choice. Dan was given many opportunities and chances.

As my friend would say, JK paid for sex not rape. Rape isn’t sex. If you think rape is sex then you need profession help.

Chapter 21 Dan run away.

Dan ran away*

I hope you enlighten more ppl on this site