Miamatsuoka's Topics (369)

I wish I could like this 1000 times

Louderrrrrr and what he did is wrong. But look at how he try to redeem himself, don't act like u guys are the best judge/person i bet u guys read more story like this but with a ridiculous redemption arc.

I don’t know why the people who don’t like nakwon just didn’t drop this manhwa instead of complaining in the comment section like yes he’s a rapist we already established that. Also unlike other stories that involves rape this one wasn’t brushed away or got a fast redemption Nakwon still has to work hard to get Mokwa trust (which we love to see).
Also Your so right about BL readers being hypocrites because how they gonna hype another character turning into a green flag but don’t have the same energy for Nakwon?

I don’t think it has to do with hypocrisy, or when it’s a character that someone favors or when it’s convenient for you like you said. It has to do with what they’ve done and if it’s redemption worthy which I feel like is very much common sense, but clearly not so much. There are some things that people do where there’s no type of redemption for them lol. You can never redeem yourself from what you’ve done and this is one of them if we’re being honest, that’s what it comes from. It’s not some hypocrisy thing like it’s just like straight in your face I don’t understand why people over analyze that lol and I also feel like that was pretty moronic on your part. Like it has nothing to do with hypocrisy. And this isn’t me like disagreeing with you even though I actually do because I can understand both standpoints and I just don’t really understand why it bothers so much people that people hate the MC like the same way people like the MC such as yourself, I just don’t see why people are so angry when people don’t like the MC like yeah he’s a rapist. Why are people angry that people keep bringing it up it’s not something that goes away like lol.

Tbf rape is not redeeming at all but at the same time that's the point, it's fiction. Why do people who can't tolerate it at all kept reading? Do he need to cut his d off to be redeemed or what lmao. Hey maybe in another story, but not this one clearly

Thank you for saying this.

Probably some trauma ngl like its not a bad thing to hate a rapist that much and i can imagine why someone would and understand where theyd come from. Im just here to see how the author moves the story and hpw both their personalities are shaped in the future whether its a change i like or not

We've been through enough with the main story let alone that one side story that mustn't be named

There’s not a lot of healthy relationships in BL though

There are actually! There are even lists if you want to only read wholesome cute stories

Ur so real for that cuz same lol

There are but compared to the whole genre, not a lot.

I like to read both wholesome and toxic BL stories. Got to keep up a good balance. You know when it is super toxic, and I need something wholesome to cheer me up afterwards... (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I totally agree with you. Taekyung and his family is responsible for the way Heeseo is. Taekyung's last words to Heeseo broke my heart. Heeseo begged him to stay. He really didn’t ask for anything except for Taekyung being there for him. And trust me, if I see Taekyung playing around now, I don’t think so I would be able to forgive him. Author said that if Heeseo's mom were alive, he would have been a lively child. Everything is so unfair for him. You know what, Heeseo actually should come to me. I would cherish him ╥﹏╥

The thing is that I’m not condoning Heeseo’s behavior. The guy needed help. He has been mentally unstable his whole life. And i understand how draining and difficult it is to deal with mentally unstable people. But because of that same reason, Taekyung shouldn’t have been arrogant and offer hope time and time again, love and support if he was never gonna be honest or actually compromise with Heeseo. And more so, he said so himself, he was gonna offer unconditional love to Heeseo, he was not gonna make him work for his love. But the moment his own adoptive family’s approval and attention to him (Taekyung’s) was in jeopardy, he didn’t hesitate to get rid of Heeseo. Everything he did was dishonest and half assed. So him and his family should pay the price for ruining Heeseo’s life the way that they did. Because they actually never apologize. Not a single one of them. They never truly asked for Heeseo’s forgiveness. They continued to ruin him and hurt him and they even had the audacity to move on and have great lives? And the author kept Heeseo celibate for all this years because she said she doesn’t like unfaithful semes? But the uke gets to live and fuck around with the guy who’s supposed to be his family, part of the family who ruined Heeseo’s life? I’ve never wanted revenge more than with this story. I don’t want redemption. I don’t want the uke to have a happy healthy ending.

Same here. If Heeseo had someone by his side, he would have been in a better position. At first I also thought that maybe he was at fault for his upcoming deeds. But Taekyung is at fault for whatever is gonna befall upon him. And I hate the fact that uke gets to be with someone when he and his family ruined seme's life. It's so unfair. Heeseo is mentally unstable. It’s true. But he never acted much upon it 7 years back. And Taekyung was unfaithful with his halfhearted feelings for Heeseo. Either this story give Heeseo justice not sympathizing Taekyung or I am out. Taekyung and his whole family played him. They need to suffer. Everyone. Even I am disliking that brother. It was so unnecessary. For the first time, I might be this much biased towards the seme.

Frrrr

A knight into the town square on a beautiful stallion, dressed in full body gleaming white armour. He unrolls a scroll given to by the Kings himself that decrees "rape is bad and adults shouldn't date children." Most of the crowd cheers, but there are those that are unhappy with the Kings decision. None are brave enough to step forward out of fear that the Kings supporters, otherwise known as the Moralists, would have them hung. Only one courageous person speaks up, and they are known as Miamatsuoka. They are not afraid to go against the Moralists. They are not afraid to say that they love rape and they love adults having sex with minors. Many boo and hiss at them, but Miamatsuoka stands tall and proud despite their jeers. The knight dismounts from his horse and draws his sword as he approaches Miamatsuoka. "You shall be executed on the spot for your insolence against the king." Miamatsuoka holds their head high, never wavering even as the knight plunges his sword deep into their heart. Using their last breaths they speak their dying words, "I may die, but the movement lives on. Never stop protesting against the Moralists! We will have freedom! Freedom to rape and groom whoever we want!" They turned to stare directly into the knights eyes, "let people live however they want. The King won't change the world with his preaching." Finally they drew in one last shaky breath before slumping to the ground. Miamatsura had died. But they had died doing what they love, defending rapists and pedophiles.

Like many, I shall follow the footstep of Sir Miamatsura and slay the puritans who hold no concept of fiction/reality.

nice work btw, A+ for the effort.

The puritans must remind you that the inherent purpose of fiction is to affect reality. The puritans must remind you that you are not immune to propaganda.

The puritans should probably not read fiction if they feel like they can be swept by it. I would also advise the puritans to check with their closest therapist asap, because if all it takes to falter their morals is reading a work of fiction, then there must be some serious dirts to uncover under their carpet.

And no, i think it’s important to bring it up, the inherent purpose of fiction is not to affect reality.
For the good of society, Peepaw, do not drop out of school.

Fiction has historically been written to teach the audience lessons. Therefore fiction is often made to affect reality. Most, if not all, works of fiction are intended to have a message and impact the audience in some way. Even porn comics are meant to arouse the reader, which is fiction affecting reality.

The puritains must remind you that everyone is subtly changed by the things they read. It's not an instant brainwashing, but over time you will be impacted. The puritains must remind you, again, that you are not immune to propaganda.

If it’s a protest work sure, because that’s the whole point and in that case fiction is but a means to share a specific view. And more often than not, Authors will voice the fact that their story (if it is a work of fiction) is but a medium to tackle and dispute topical issues.

There are work of fictions, such as this ones, who exist simply to tell a story. One’s work of fiction does not have to be restricted to being lawfully good to be read and discussed. Otherwise, you would know, that most of the greatest work of classical literature would not exist. And it should not be disregarded or censored simply because it tackles subjects that can be out of our real life morals (if one has any).

The fact, that you first commented the way that you did on a work of fiction that is clearly stranding from reality (just from the fact that the ml can leave his body to fuck the mc), is utterly ridiculous.

Also, you might want to look up the actual definition of propaganda, or simply open a history book. You’re more likely to fall under the means of propaganda through social media than while reading a Boy’s Love talking about ghost fucking.

Fiction doesn't only affect reality by expressing a message and directly hoping to completely change the audiences view, some does but not all. That's not what I mean when I say fiction is made to affect reality. Some fiction just exists to tell a story, yes, but that story is meant to impact the readers in some way, even if it seems insignificant. If you've ever enjoyed a story, or even hated a story, then that was fiction affecting your reality. The simple fact that we're discussing this is an example of fiction affecting reality.

? I never said all fiction needs to be morally good. I'm very against the censorship of media in any form, but that doesn't mean they're immune to criticism. People can write whatever the hell they want but that doesn't mean what they write is automatically good and exempt from being called disgusting.

I know what propaganda is jfc I'm being dramatic LMAO

The thing is, fiction isn’t affecting reality in the way that you think it does.

It’s needless to say that one could feel emotions while reading or watching a work of fiction, but readers feeling emotions toward a specific work of fiction doesn’t ultimately result in them committing taboos or crimes, nor would they approve of them.

Someone who reads or watches a work of fiction, which contain dark or problematic themes can appreciate said work, all the while being aware that what they’re consuming is morally reprehensible and condemnable in real life. A healthy minded person isn’t going to throw away their established morals and values because of a work of fiction.

We’re discussing this because you wrote that the person above us was, and I quote : “defending rapists and pedophiles.”. So, no. It is sadly not fiction that has brought us to this point, but rather your rudeness and your inability to discern fiction from reality, which remains concerning.

Well, I would advise you to start writing constructive criticism next time, which would require critical thinking skills. Or, could this also be beyond your capabilities ? Although, you do seem to have a knack for writing, so i’m convinced you’ll get there, eventually.

Yeah, your very first comment kinda gave that away.

Obviously fiction doesn't just straight up brainwash people??? I'm simply arguing that the statement "fiction doesn't affect reality" is false, it doesn't matter how much fiction affects reality.

Constantly exposing yourself to the same things over and over again will change your perspective on certain things. Obviously having a stable and critical mindset is important and prevents extreme changes in your morality, but you WILL be impacted by repeatedly reading the same things. It's absurd to think that you won't be. You obviously won't completely change your morals and start murdering people, but you are more likely to become desensitized. I'm not saying you can't consume dark content, I consume dark content, but it does change your perspective on certains things, even if it's barely noticeable.

I wouldn't have written that if op hadn't written their comment, and they wouldn't have written their comment if they hadn't been affected by this piece of fiction. Also my original response was meant to be a piece of fiction yet it sparked this discussion so idk. I was trying to be rude tho so you got me there. Also I can discern fiction from reality idk why you seem to think I can't dawg just call me stupid already, you clearly want to.

I'm not gonna write constructive criticism about a fucking porn manga where a grown ass man falls in love with the high schooler that raped him I could, but I feel like the flaws and ways to improve it are obvious to anyone with a brain. Thanks for complimenting my writing tho luv u!!!!!

Then why did you tell me to open a history book????? Took my goof seriously and tryna cover ur ass fr

I feel like I already gave a well rounded answer to everything you’ve wrote here through my previous comments. If you’d have read it correctly, you wouldn’t even be bringing up desensitizing. But, if it does desensitize anyone it will never be beyond the realms of fiction, not on real life matters. However, someone who watch disturbing (nonfictional) videos involving real people could and will get desensitized on real issues, because these are real people going through real things, not just lines on a screen.

That was just a polite way to tell you that if you’ve got nothing relevant to bring up other than what you’ve already given us, you might as well just hit the road.

ok bro

Finally!!!! Thank you so much for what you said. They ruined all the good mangas for us, I mean even Asami from Finder became green and pass8ve over night. Chunta had to issue an apology for his and Takano-san's first encounter, alot more are starting to change their personality 180

Ofc you have a junjou romantica pfp

I dont get it, but ok (〜￣△￣)〜

I don't get it, but ok

I would say depending on the story it’s a good thing that the personality is changing, no ? Like if Tanaka stayed a dick all the time even though he loved the mc i think most people would likely start to get pissed by it, I would lmao !
But, if these authors really changed the personalities of their characters, I would really hope they did it for the plot, and not simply because some random rebecca says she hates characters who are “red flags”.

But yeah, I see what you mean by that. It is true that there might be some artists and authors who are getting influenced by this, but there’re also a lot who aren’t and make this sorts of themes their trademark lol ! And trust me, most of them don’t give a fuck and were here way before these puritan readers were even born.

I hope I'm more than just some random rebecca and puritan reader to you... I thought we had something fr...

ah yes, a wildly entertaining conversation lol

Of some author wants to build a theme of green flaged romantic stories all the power to them. What irks me is people reading the other original stories, the ones produced before the morality police was invented and ruin those ones for the rest of us.

I'm not going to generalize and say "we" but I for myself don't seek yaoi for a realistic boring story. I like to read fiction, stories that would never happen in real life. So for others to co.mwnt and ruin the experience for us is not fair. Just as no one wants for me to go into a green story and dis on it

That being said, character development is essential in every story, and the thrill of reading is to see how the Seme usually learns to love and be kind to his partner while being an a$$ to absolutely everyone else

Tbh I think that the rape trope should die as it has kinda been proven that, that fantasy/fiction can effect reality as much as we don’t want that and while a good bl with good characters doesn’t always have to mean they have to be bad romanticizing rape and they don’t have to be goody two shoes. I also think people have the right to there own opinions if they aren’t hurting people with them.

Tbh I think that the rape trope should die as it has kinda been proven that, that fantasy/fiction can effect reality as much as we don’t want that and while a good bl with good characters doesn’t always have to mean they have to be bad romanticizing rape and they don’t have to be goody two shoes. I also think people have the right to their own opinions if they aren’t hurting people with them. I think it’s important to realize that while yes this is your opinion people who have maybe gone through these things may not want to see someone who says fiction is fiction because as I said earlier it has been shown to have an effect on the real world also I think it’s fine when someone points out grooming or borderline romanticizing adult and child relationships which aren’t okay under any circumstance even in fiction.

As well as romanticizing rape and torture or that stuff. I think if all the above and the stuff in the previous comment above maybe makes you or others feel like when people point that out makes you feel angry that they are taken the fun out of it or something I would honestly be scared of you and would at least recommend therapy

Not trying to start an argument or judge you in any way though just so you know :) ♡

Tbh I think that the rape trope should die as it has kinda been proven that, that fantasy/fiction can effect reality as much as we don’t want that and while a good bl with good characters doesn’t always have to mean they have to be bad romanticizing rape and they don’t have to be goody two shoes. I also think people have the right to their own opinions if they aren’t hurting people with them. I think it’s important to realize that while yes this is your opinion people who have maybe gone through these things may not want to see someone who says fiction is fiction because as I said earlier it has been shown to have an effect on the real world also I think it’s fine when someone points out grooming or borderline romanticizing adult and child relationships which aren’t okay under any circumstance even in fiction.
Not trying to start an argument but I just thought maybe you might want the other sides perspective :>

Not aiming to conter point your comment with that argument, but just wanted to add that there’re also victims of abuse, who willingly turn to these sort of fictional media (not just BL) because it helps them have the upper hand on what’s happening (allows them to have control over the situation). The inherent problems here, is the willingness from some people to censor, or condemn works of fiction simply because they cannot separate it from reality.

As I said prior to your comment, fiction affects reality but not in the way you imagine it to. Of course there’re people who aren’t comfortable with these sorts of media, rightfully so, and in no way am I forcing anyone to endure the reading or watching of such works. However, if an individual is aware that these type of works are making them uncomfortable or repulsing them, they wouldn’t be interacting with it in the first place.

This conversation started because of the first answer it got, which was clearly accusing the OP of defending rapists and pedophiles simply because they’re voicing their opinion about the people shitting on the artist’s work in the comments.

I’ve read many “other sides” perspectives, i’m always in it, because everyone has different views on this topic and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But, seeing someone accusing a reader of defending rapists and pedophiles over fiction isn’t something i can simply ignore.

I’m not trying to be shitty either, i mean you guys have your own stance on it, and that’s just how it is. But, I think it’s necessary for you guys to be aware that people who enjoy these kind of media do not condone, in any way, anything that they are reading/seeing.

We could be having the very same conversion for a horror BL. But somehow, you guys are least likely to talk about it the way you do under here, although it’s the very same level of abomination.

Each and everyone has their own priorities scales in fictional policing, I guess.

I agree with you about the amount of people just shitting on people preferences on both sides but I also agree about the horror bl thing now that for me is just like oh heck nah I’m running away lol but I know that some people have a stance on this bl but would refuse to do so on others which is contradicting what they are for and the such. Also thank you for being kind I like learning of others opinions and the such but someone’s I get shit on for it lol anyways thanks for the deeper insight :3 have a good rest of your day/night

Ohhhhh okay I understand more thanks for the kind reply and I guess I never thought that this could maybe be a way for victims to go though stuff that’s actually kinda cool I think this is a great point I’ll definitely feel like I understand more of what y’all are saying

I was a little afraid I came on a little to strong and sounded mean I hope I didn’t

If you’re really interested in this topic and want to know more, i could send you a document (I believe it was a gooogle drive doc) containing a lot of articles and such about the topic of fiction, how people interact with it, its effects etc. So i’ll look if i still got it in my laptop and i’ll try sending it to you today !

Also, you could check @/SamAburime and @/lizcourserants on twitter if you have any question regarding certain topics (you could ask them directly or you can simply look it up in their account !).
Although they share the same opinions as me, they tackle it better and know way more on it than I do lol !

Ummm my original comment was litewally fiction and fiction doesn't affect reality???? My accusation of someone defending pedophiles and rapists was fictionnn dawggg it can't hurt anybodyyyyyyy I thought this was ur whole thing!!!!!

Omg this is literally perfect and I would love to look at the doc if possible thank you so much :)

Sure, I've read Mangas which have rape/dubcon and age gaps... I can cope with the age gap but the rape contents have gone out of hand. Nowadays while reading a manga/webtoon the one thing among many I have concern is whether there'd be any rape in it or not. I'm positively sure that most of the Mangas and webtoon under the yaoi tag have toxic semes/dubcon/noncon/rape/blackmailing etc... and it's the same exact plot over and over again and that's what's irritating me.

You are my hero and I love you, marry me

*clap clap clap*

Stfu, goal-post-moving mfr lmaoooo

And yes, statistic and studies on this prove you wrong. Unless you are already a bad actor, YOU WILL NOT BECOME A BAD ACTOR BY READING THIS SHIT. END OF. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WHINE ABOUT IT...

I'm begging you people to read the research on this exact issue- it proves time and again that even *genuinely repulsive shota/lolicon* doesn't make people pedophiles. As much as it icks me out and I'm still gonna steer waaayyy clear of you for reading it.

A tactic you could really use btw- just leaving the area and avoiding people reading some lines on a page.

And no I'm not making more responses, I'm literally posting the one thing and going back to reading the dumb smut series I READ AS A HIGHSCHOOLER MYSELF :) So please, keep telling others like myself how we're gross when we read these exact works of fiction as a teenager ourselves! It'll really prove your point /s

I am kissing you on the mouth, thank you for this. Lots of studies on this issue and they all prove that 1) victims like myself and my past/current partner(s) find comfort in fantasies they control to cope with uncontrolled trauma and 2) NONE of this, even the worst stuff morally like loli/shotacon, makes you a monster/pedophile/abuser irl. Otherwise, apparently, people who have a schoolgirl/schoolboy outfit for the bedroom session between two adults are suddenly pedophiles! And people who are into ddlg/ddlb with 2 consenting adults who use age regression and caregiving to cope and heal are also apparently pedophiles! And people who like to be beat while they cum are being abused by people who literally just enjoy using a different method of bringing someone pleasure! And people who like to pretend they are being raped by a criminal who broke into their apartment, either for the thrill in safety or to work through that happening to them, are really victims of the pretend-rapist!

Like christ, just say you don't care about irl victims if you have the gall to compare this to real life trauma. Fuuuuccckk off :))) It waters down the definition of things like "pedophile" until you have people getting seen as genuine ones for cosplaying from yarichin when they literally just relate to a character they loved back in high school or "abuser" when they just read something like Caste Heaven. Real pedophiles and abusers cause harm to REAL PEOPLE AND KIDS. Lines on a page are NOT real people. To say they are is tone deaf and equates irl victims to little more than ink on a page because YOU feel uncomfortable- the only immoral ones here are the people insisiting drawn fantasy immortality is directly the same, and as evil as, REAL HARMFUL ACTS. On top of that, censorship to the nth degree WILL lead to unfettered reduction of freedom of expression- it's why AO3 has so many people enjoying it while Tumblr lost so many people because the staff banned porn. Banning lgbt+ literature was ALSO done by insinuating or outright calling it a danger to children and pedophilic! THIS SHIT HAS REAL WORLD CONSEQUENCES!

Not to mention the more you push genuine, irl pedophiles away from therapy by dropping the name every two seconds over fiction (because shocker, you can stop a pedophile from offending the first time if they can get therapy to fix and stop these behaviors/thoughts!), the more likely they are to offend irl. They end up more disconnected (due to shame they could otherwise work to stop by way of ceasing this behavior with therapy) from real people who could stop them from following a dark path to real harm. The best thing you can do if you suspect someone is a pedophile with no real proof beyond "they read shota/loli" is warn those around you they give you the ick and gtfo of there yourself. Hell, I do that! Because 99% of the time, according to real studies, they ARE NOT pedophiles and on the 1% chance they are, someone on the internet pointing it out isn't going to stop it in 99% of cases. Look at youtube. Look at the cosplay community. They just get better at hiding it, and you help by insisting a pedophile is ACTUALLY just anyone who so much as reads a single story with a character who is a minor. When anyone becomes a pedophile for such a flimsy reason, real ones get missed because you had to be the one to catch one for some pissing contest. I've seen people in the cosplay community slip away who were caught being pedophiles because they weren't reported and there was such a fervor for catching ANYONE who read anything too dicey.

I just..... fuck, people! Focus on real pedophiles and rapists and abusers, I am begging you! You will not find the majority of them here, and if you do, you will not be the ones to stop them! And they definitely won't stop if you give them the aid of sinking into a sea of what you have now deemed pedophiles/rapists!

I'm doing a little joke :3 a /j /sarc :3

No shit sherlock LMAOOOOO I've said MULTIPLE TIMES that reading stuff doesn't just brainwash you????? Obviously reading about a bad actor doesn't make you a bad actor??? I don't wanna repeat myself so go reread my comments, and make sure to actually read them this time.

Yeah it doesn't make people pedos, but only a pedo would read that shit. You can't become a pedo if you already are one.

You're gross

Ddlg is gross and not the same thing at all as age regression.

Obviously shota/loli isn't the same as real cp. Shouldn't even have to clarify that, but here we are. And while we're on the topic of stupid comparisons, the banning of queer media is not AT ALL the same as banning shota/loli. One was used to silence and discriminate against innocent people who have done literally nothing wrong, the other is to prevent the sexualization and abuse of children. But even considering that I'm against censorship of any kind. People can write whatever the hell they want!!! But I'm allowed to criticize them and think it's disgusting. I don't have to agree with and support everything that's written and published just because I'm against censorship.

People who struggle with pedophilic intrusive thoughts due to a mental health condition do deserve therapy and support, as long as they don't act on those desires. As soon as they act on them (and I include reading shota/loli in this), I think they're a gross piece of shit. Hell yes we should shame pedophiles. Idgaf about the cosplay community why r u bringing up irrelevant topics.

I agree, who said I don't.

Okay here we go

Exactly what I am saying!! Besides, there is so much "rape" and "age gap" in the holy bible, its really not a big deal some people are just SOOO sensitive these days. I mean, Jesus is fine with it?? SO just get over it??? You aren't special. Remember Matthew 22:39?? "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." Jesus LOVES the gays and Jesus LOVES the kids and Jesus LOVES the Pedos and Zoo pride. Love is love. You should love thy neighbour as you love thyself because JESUS loves us all The radical left has SUCH a perverted idea on what LGBTQ+ pride is. Its all about being special snowflakes and making this gay pride bullshit all sexual. Pride is NOT sexual. What ever happened to love? What ever happened to being proud of yourself and your sexuality? Just because I am a kid and I like older men means that I am "wrong" and a "victim?" You leftists throw that word around SO much and it is disingenuous to the REAL victims.

SHITTT PREACHHH PPL ARE SO WEIRD

No way ur a real person ur so fucking weird defending zoos, pedos, and all that… Ur going to hell, Jesus definitely DID NOT love them

Don't you DARE say that to me. I go to bible studies every Monday and Wednesday, I go to church every Sunday, and my family is the TOP DONOR at our church. Jesus loves me. he blesses me every day. YOU are the one going to hell. Liberals are always talking about "pride this!! pride that!!

Yeah Jesus would literally hate u, ur defending CHILD TOUCHERS and ANIMAL TOUCHERS… fucking weirdo, animals and kids can’t consent. Pride is not when ur forcing urself onto somebody/something else, even in fiction. I’m the one going to hell?? We’ll see abt that dumbass

brother ugh

Literally.. it makes me wonder how these people act around children irl, animals, and their relatives

I love this manga but ppl r allowed to like and dislike whatever they want yk?

Just outed themselves a kid bro get out of this website