CAN YOU PEOPLE STEP OFF! HOW OBNOXIOUS! FIRST YOU FOLLOW (NO, STALK) HIM. THEN YOU GO ON TO SAY IT WAS JUST "CURIOSITY". THEN YOU PRESSURE HIM TO GO ALONG WITH YOU. I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE, GET OUTTA HERE! DON'T PUT MY BABY IN HARM'S WAY!
I'm just...
I am offended and appalled that this chapter unfolded the way it did. What self-centered, self-serving, straight savior is this girl?! HE FREAKING HESITATED TO KISS HER! HE'S FREAKING GAY! Stop trying to make your weird fantasy a reality! Why can't you just accept the fact that HE'S GAY AND HE IS ONLY ATTRACTED TO MEN?! WHY CAN'T YOU USE YOUR COMMON SENSE?! THIS WAS NOT A MOMENT OF COMING TO AN UNDERSTANDING NOR WAS THIS ABOUT ACCEPTANCE FOR JUN. THIS WAS ALL ABOUT MIURA AND HER FEELINGS AND HOW HE WAS GOING TO "MAN UP" AND HELP HER FEEL BETTER.
I expected better... I'm just so disappointed but I'm invested so I'm going to keep reading. But for anyone who thinks I'm making this a big deal over fictional characters... first of all, lol I am making a mountain over a molehill. But secondly, straight saviors exist and this story is just another of the many examples that shows us that straightness is the center of the world... that Jun must accommodate Miura... that his narrative can be "fixed" with love... that gayness can be brushed aside as long as a pretty big-boobed girl wants to have sex... that Jun's story doesn't matter and can be swept under the rug as soon as we get Miura's sob story and her proclamation of her feelings. I had high hopes for this story but this story seems to be turning out to be focused on straightness and how Jun has been a sinner towards Miura but how she will graciously save him...
Lol, I'm sad now. I hope the next chapter doesn't disappoint me as much as this one does. And I hope this post doesn't come off as I hate the story. I don't hate it, but rather, it's more that it has serious flaws and I am currently disappointed.
This. Totally this. 100% this. I agree. I’m sad too.
That was not nearly enough! I want Hacchi to SUFFER AND WRITHE before he can find Wataru. Hacchi's kinda abusive... and although he's anxious about losing Wataru, he's fine if he, himself, has sexual relations with others while pursuing Wataru. I WANT HIM TO LOSE! Then, and only then, will I be happy when Wataru accepts him.
Lol. I'm a bit intense now that I go back to read my own comment. I just feel like... Hacchi always wins. Like, even after this chapter... he found Wataru and took him away. Let him get worried! Let him lose a bit! Why must he always have the upper hand?! Why is Wataru the only one that has to compromise?
SAME.
IKR they didn’t get to finish at least 1 whole day of torturing him
I definitely agree. Hacchi's the worst...! If harassing him knowing his trauma wasn't bad enough, cheating on the guy really made me not like him. I can deal asshole love interests/characters but they need a colossal dose of karma and character development for me to ever root for them.
SAME!!! I WANT HIM TO REALIZE HIS FEELINGS PROPERLY AND BE JEALOUS SOOO MUCHH SO THAT WATARU CQN GET PAYBACK FOR ALL THAT HE DID. WHENEVER I READ VOL 2/THE PARTS WHERE HE WAS HAVING OTHER FLINGS AFTER KISSING OR FLIRTING WITH WATARU, I JUST WANNA PUNCH HIM SO BADDDD. I FEEL LIKE MY CHEST IS TIGHTENING WHENEVER I SEE THOSE SCENES AND HE HAD THE GUTS TO SAY "IS THERE A PROBLEM?" like oh HELL YES, THERE IS!!! (╬￣皿￣)凸
OOPSSS HAHAH SORRY FOR RANTING HERE OOF--
Somehow... I'm kinda annoyed, or rather vexed, by the main girl. I love her curiosity and her "otaku-ness" and her ambition. However, I find her a bit self-serving and obnoxious...? Like, yes, I understand that she doesn't want to come to ruin. But she doesn't really consider other people... not her parents or even the balance of the kingdom and world. I like her character but something about her makes me irritated about the way her obsession makes her frustratingly difficult to empathize with.
Sums up why I dropped reading this. I wanted to give it a chance by skipping ahead to the latest chapter (23.2 rn) but it still sucks (づ￣ ³￣)づ
It's very predictable and bland...
Well, whatever just my thoughts (⌒▽⌒)
Yes I agree. I'm only reading this cuz the other authors manga was dope af so I'm giving this story far too much opportunity.
I don't know what this has to say about my personality or my perception of the world but... I LOVE this and I relish in all the murders... lol
Also... I don't know who the FL (or more specifically, the romantic female counterpart) is but I feel like it would be a tough choice between the two ladies (Leticia and Minaris). I like them both, which is a rare thing...
I feel such a strong sense of comradery when I read all these comments! Lol, I felt so protective of Arito and I would cut anyone who wronged him. He's such an innocent and trusting person!
This is NOT helping my already existing bad-boy complex! Oh my gosh, please stop it! I can't fall for another 2D character!
Too late xD.
Sexual attraction often correlates to romantic attraction. Sexuality and romance are complex topics. Even I find it frustrating that Jun is having a hard time distinguishing between his love for Miura and his sexual attraction to men. But... that's because I connect romance with sexuality. I don't know how Jun feels (heck, he doesn't even know how he feels). It's okay. He'll figure it out somehow.
However, I honestly DO NOT want this story to turn out that he is "okay" with Miura. This absolutely disregards his actual experience and the experience of many gay men. Just because you are "okay" with someone and love them, DOES NOT MEAN you simply are cured or that you aren't actually gay. NO. Relationships are complicated. Just look at Freddie Mercury! But I don't want this story to turn out like "I'm actually okay with women too!" This is Jun's journey to accepting himself. Just as much as I hate the white savior trope, I HATE THE STRAIGHT SAVIOR TROPE! Can we just accept Jun as a gay man who loves Miura as a friend? I am just starting to like Miura! I want her as Jun's support, his friend... NOT HIS LIFELINE TO A "NORMAL" LIFE.
THANK YOU for putting my exact thoughts into words.
Yes, you encapsulate my thoughts perfectly. Miura is just trying to live out the straight savior trope. And that’s why I dislike her greatly because she plays the fool and the victim while masquerading as a support to Jun and gay people.
I mean, who in their right mind that actually cares for LGBT rights and issues would still push for a straight relationship between herself and a known gay man?
Like, it’s not hard to see that Jun has developed a fondness for her. But as a friend, and not in a romantic sense. (I mean it's obvious Jun does not see her in a romantic light no matter how hard he tries - failed sex and couldn’t get hard with her). So like, why push the issue and force the relationship along? It’s not hard to respect another person’s boundary.
If Miura really wanted to support Jun, then she could’ve very well severed off the bf / gf relationship, and just stayed by Jun’s side as a supportive friend if that was the case.
I can see why people find Miura endearing, (because she’s not giving up on Jun in her forced straight relationship between them) but I think that glosses over a more insidious thought process (ie. Miura‘s subtext to her statement that she’s not giving up on Jun belies her true thoughts is that being gay isn’t normal, which is why she keeps pushing for a straight relationship with Jun. and that’s why I agree she has a straight savior complex.
Jun is indeed confused how he feels about Miura. He has yet to decipher what Mr. Fahrenheit means by "soft like" and "hard like", and that's the only analogy to describe their relationship.
I also agree with you that Miura has yet to learn to let go of him because while Jun is willingly sticking with her in this relationship, and also loving it himself for reasons he cannot describe yet (perhaps because it's the easiest way he knows somebody will always be with him). He cannot be the one to break this off, Miura has to. He is too attached to this person that gives him so much affection and care in him as a person. So if she doesn't, it's more likely the two will get hurt more than succeed in their pursuit of "love" and "making a family". After all, they still both far too young and still soul-searching themselves.
Miura does not know enough about how to deal with the situation despite how hard she tries for Jun, and Jun doesn't know enough about what he wants to really take her along for the journey. But I will say this—they author is implying their soulmates. Not in the sexual sense, but in an emotional sense that borderlines romantic but maybe not quite as that's hard to say right now. This situation is comparable only to Freddie Mercury and his common-law-wife, which was the only person to get his ashes rather than his boyfriend. So I can't say it's necessarily fair to describe her as the straight-savior. More like the two just "click" and therefore are drawn to each other that makes them push past territory that is not normal between a homosexual and a straight person.
(Also...When they did try sex, he got slightly hard. It was actually going to work had she not dropped his name. Problem is, he wouldn't have enjoyed it. The story of many homosexuals that try to conform to society.)
Hmmm. Interesting take. I can see why you might think I'm too hard on Miura, but until Miura relegates herself to supportive friend position instead of entertaining thoughts of a romantic relationship with Jun. Its hard for me to see her as anything but self serving and a straight-savior doing performative activism.
(I mean sure, she stopped the fight between Ono and Jun from full on fisticuffs. But she did not follow up with Ono to ensure his silence on Jun's sexuality. Nor did she stop her 'big sister's friend' and fellow fujoshi in directing her own boyfriend into groping Jun and making him uncomfortable, nor console Jun after the fact.- Rather, she and the 'big sister' friend took photos of the spectacle earlier in the story ch 4) ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/what_she_likes_are_homos_and_not_me/uu/iur_chapter-4/pg-36/)
Which is why I say she's not a true ally and is just straight-savior doing performative activism.
Also, if she's truly an ally of the LGBTQ+ community and understands gay people, then how can you explain her make sweeping generalizations that all gay men are cheaters who use women for their own gain? (ch 6)
> ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/what_she_likes_are_homos_and_not_me/uu/nhs_v-2-chapter-742482/pg-21/)
> ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/what_she_likes_are_homos_and_not_me/uu/nhs_v-2-chapter-742482/pg-22/)
Then after all of that with Jun coming clean about being gay, why is that she still seeks to foster a romantic relationship with a gay man? ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/what_she_likes_are_homos_and_not_me/uu/nhs_v-2-chapter-743398/pg-15/)
Then why does she take issue with changing her position from gf to supportive friend? Why does she keep trying to push for a straight relationship with Jun, who she knows for a fact is gay? If she truly had Jun's best interests in mind, wouldn't she have no issue with changing her position from gf to supportive friend? This is why I say she's not a true ally and is just straight-savior doing performative activism (e.g. she can't be homophobic because she likes and defends fictional BL characters for her hobby, despite the fact that she literally reject Jun for being gay and generalized that all gay people as being cheaters)
And that's ignoring what she said in at the end of ch 1, where she said that gay people don't exist around her. ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/what_she_likes_are_homos_and_not_me/uu/mpn_chapter-2330383/48/)
Which is why I find Miura to be such a problematic character, since she literally continues to force the subtext narrative of how Jun can be saved if he gets into a relationship with her, and so that's why she isn't going to give up on him. When the literal subtext under all of her inactions and words, is that she doesn't think gay people exist irl. Therefore, that's why she's fine with pushing a straight relationship on a gay man and its okay because she's "saving" Jun from being gay.
I understand where you're coming from with the first part. For the photos with the sister, she did so something horrible even if he wasn't a homosexual. But she was still stuck in her delusion and as far as I see now, she realizes her wrongs and is taking the steps to try and get closer to Jun and understand that side of him—for both their sakes. Doesn't mean its right and I hope this memory haunts her as a reminder of what NOT to do.
However, I can't understand why you linked the parts when she confronted Jun about homosexuals using girls as accessories, though...She had her heart BROKEN. She said something abit insensitive, but her message was pure. Jun himself understood that, too. He didn't refute it inside he shared why he accepted her confession and what he hoped to get out of it. Meanwhile, Miura was trying to have Jun see (if he hasn't already) what he and other homosexuals in Japan sometimes do; use women as a cover. Heck, even Makoto mentioned gay people in Japan LOATHING these people. But Miura didn't see that and instead was expressing her (rightfully justified) anger before later realizing Jun was also suffering. Therefore, she couldn't hate him.
Also, that page where she won't let him "go" in the relationship was her being a flirt. If you saw the end card I wrote, the novel expanded on it further as Jun LOVING she did that. She made him feel warm—wanted. But Jun still had full power to tell Miura no and if he did there, I am sure Miura would. She loves Jun but I doubt she'll be abusive and keep him with her. They're both consenting here, whether that's appropriate or not is not the point there.
As for that line in chapter 1, Miura is saying she doubts someone like that would really exist around her. She lives in Japan, people like that are not open about it so it seems more "rare" than it actually is. I take it more as her being ignorant, not as you call it, a straight savior. I know what you're getting at in that she NEEDS to improve her approach, but I suppose I'm more willing to forgive her actions as she stumbles and falls in her attempt to communicate with Jun. I also believe Jun is a big issue in what happens in this series ever since chapter 2. My heart goes out to him, but a lot of what happened was because of his desire to "Want It All". So Miura isn't the one out to save him, if anything Jun wanted to save himself through her. It's unhealthy, though.
All in all, chapter 10 is being set up at the chapter where Miura opens up about what she thinks about Jun's situation and how she sees him suffering. The "talk" is them putting everything on the table and working through who they are as people and what that means to each other in the relationship they still have going on.
Okay, I can definitely see where you're coming from especially since it seems you've already read the novel. I guess I need more background and context that what I can glean from the manga. Thanks for working on this complex series! Do you mind linking the novel?
Thanks in advance (▰˘◡˘▰) !
If you want to support the author you can buy it on booklive.jp, my favorite place to buy my raws. The novel version is the most polished and detailed version, but if you rather a free copy and don't mind the missing descriptions, the web novel is still available. Just look for a website titled novel18.syosetu after google searching the title "彼女が好きなものはホモであって僕ではない".
Bless you for providing multiple alternatives to accessing the novel!
As well providing a method to support the author for those who can afford it!
Much appreciated (▰˘◡˘▰)! Thank you Yabaibunni!
I just have to say that I am so happy that there was a healthy debate going on here! I love it! Two educated readers being honest and respectful! ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I need more practice of that!
I completely agree with everything you’re saying and I really hope this story doesn’t go in a direction where Miura and Jun end up together because he is gay and he has no interest in girls but it seems like Muira is holding onto the fact that they’re dating which kinda shows that she is putting her feeling above Jun’s in a sense because she won’t take a step back and instead become a supportive friend of Jun instead of insisting on being his lover. I hope Jun ends up with a nice man and I hope Muira also ends up with a nice man and they can continue to be friends.
What do you mean "the opportunities for growth that she was supposed to have... they were practically stolen away by Leon"?! Is your opportunity of growth only that stupid ship? Are you worthless without it? Why don't you find and make your opportunities instead of just yelping "nooo" all the time? Stand up for yourself, find your own power and courage to search for growth! What BS of a heroine if all you can do is wait for someone or something to give you strength? No matter how bad Leon's personality is, I have respect for the power he holds, no matter if he "stole" them or not. He MADE his own opportunities, he found a way to survive. Do the same, will you?!
I JUST started liking Miura... and now I find her distasteful again... I hate it soooo much that I hate her. I want to like her but I find her to be so... selfish, self-centered, self-serving, and so flippant of Jun's feelings and identity. Her actions are just as bad as Mr. Farenheit's parents; she is disregarding Jun's feelings and wishes for her own personal narrative: to be Jun's girlfriend despite him clearly stating she's JUST a special person, NOT a romantic partner. He NEVER said it was a romantic feeling he felt for her but she wants to flip the narrative to suit her and say that she can claim herself to be his girlfriend. What happens when he finds someone he likes? Is she going to ask if he wants to "break up"? Is she going to hover over Jun as his "girlfriend"? Why is she not okay with being a friend? Why must she go out of her way to STILL WRAP THE STRAIGHT NARRATIVE AROUND JUN?!
Lol, I want to support them but my annoyance of Miura's "all-about-my-feelings" behavior is halting me from that.
she acting like she the protagonist. she's still trying to get him to like her and honestly it's so overbearing. or her attitude at least, she could act more like a supportive friend instead and focus on him because this trip is for him.