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It's so sad! I love this mangaka and this translator! And my fellow fujoshi and fudanshis! It really is heartbreaking to attack the people who work hard to help entertain us (mangaka and translator)...

It's hard commenting on a manga when the comments section is so heated up and sensitive. Even I start sounding really mean when I don't mean to. Thanks for your comment! It really helped me calm down and stop sounding so sarcastic and biased! (=・ω・=)

well, i did get caught into a heated battle before, but in the end of the day.... All will go calm and I am so glad that I could help...

And I do encounter people who attack you personally like "you are so dumb, this disease is not like that", "Your stupid, go educate yourself" and "I appreciate you are not looking down on me"..

Posting your thoughts here are so scary... And I could relate to you that they take it mean but do not get it to you.... I have learned that as well

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Yeah~ I think it's especially hard when I post something I think is not insulting but people take offense to it. I feel bad so I end up typing like 5 long paragraphs to explain myself and it just spirals down a messy mess... T_T In the short time I've been here, I've learned to not take things too hard because what matters is the love spread by manga and this community. Lol sorry for spamming you with this preachy paragraph ahahaha

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It is alright. I love to read preachy comments that is not insulting......
I am happy there is someone who I can relate with...
Yeah, writing 5 paragraphs to point out your opinion on the topic?? Been there, done that

Not necessarily...?

This proves that you don't need explicity to show their chemistry cause it reeks even with just a kiss

I am so proud of my baby Taemin

Me too

That's so true!! I felt true pleasure from reading this chapter ≧∇≦

Thanks for letting me breathe from the sensitive KS fandom

Be careful with how you word this though, some people might get the urge to point out that just because someone has borderline personality disorder doesn't mean they're pre-determined to be a killer. Personally, i think it's Bum specifically that's messed up and his BPD is just a part of all that.

Agreed!!

Don't you think Sangwoo had anything at all to do with it? Do you think it would have happened eventually even without Sangwoo?

I don't think Sangwoo had literally anything to do with Bum killing Jieun. Sangwoo didn't tell Bum to kill her, he just said "wanna start?" and pushed Bum off the chair in front of Jieun. Bum wasn't thinking of Sangwoo during the killing scene, he was completely focused on his past and killed Jieun because he was taking out his feelings for his first crush on her, if anything this scene is exactly what i said would happen. Take a look at the flashback in ch 19 and tell me that you don't think he could switch from just stalking the girl to killing her after she rejects him... If you honestly can, then take a look at the scene where he kills Jieun while lashing out against the other girl in his mind. This is Bum's true personality, he's just more low-key than Sangwoo. More low-key, but just as dangerous.

Well, you are entitled to you opinion, and I saw the flashback and recognized the rage--but I also saw everything Sangwoo had been doing for a long time to push Bum to that point. Bum had been rejected by all of his past obsessions, and he was never violent before. Bum usually just stalked people. If you didn't see Sangwoo pulling strings to get Bum to take this path, I guess we'll just disagree.

What did Sangwoo do to get Bum to kill Jieun? I realize he kept him captive and scared the shit out of him constantly, but can you point out a scene where he triggers Bum's trauma? What Sangwoo does to Bum and Bum's trauma with that girl are two seperate things and its clear to me that Bum was acting on his trauma when he killed Jieun, not his fear of Sangwoo. Also, to say that Bum was "rejected by all his past obsessions and was never violent before" doesn't make sense as the only obsessions we've seen so far are the girl and Sangwoo, what are you basing this statement off of? If we're going off of the only two instances we've seen then if anything it further proves my point, this is only his second obsession and he's already been damaged enough from the first one to kill a girl. How was he NOT violent with the first girl? He screamed at her after she said "next time". I'm not saying that Sangwoo has no effect on Bum, i'm just saying that that and this are two seperate things, it makes no sense to act like Sangwoo is the reason for Bum doing the things he does as it's all just Bum being Bum.

In your defense, him screaming at her isn't "violent" it's aggressive, so if you want an example of him being violent towards her read ch 19 pg 68-74 where he is responding to the girl telling him to die. Those pages show how hurt he was by what she said and him stabbing Jieun IS him being violent towards that girl, make no mistake, Bum IS stabbing the girl, it just so happens that she isn't the physical body he is stabbing.

I'm pretty sure I had this same debate with you a few weeks ago. I gave the same reasons Anoni is giving now and you decided to agree to disagree there.
The basis for his past rejection is shown in chapter 1, pages 12 to 14 here. It shows 4 different instances of people responding to his stalking. 2 of the 4 were very hostile.

Did correct my comment and yeah that was what i am implying

Well your comment already take an effect... Someone did already correct me that i am stupid to connect the bpd with a fictional character that lead him to kill someone... And i am generalizing real people...

This fandom is too sensitive

When did that happen? So far, we've been discussing the way the story portrayed Bum and Sangwoo. You two are the only ones in this thread bringing in real life at the moment.

No.... It was on the other comment section not here... Sorry about that.... I was surfing at my mobile phone so i cannot give to you the link...

Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to get all defensive :)

It is alright...
Here are the comment threads.. actually there are two

http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/1658658/
http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/1652991/

they are making a huge deal with it....

I may be stupid as they say but correlating this fictional story with reality is not totally cool.... i am not that dumb enough...

You are not stupid. I have a different interpretation of the character, but that doesn't make you stupid.

Thank you so much!!! I was relieved someone understood me
I was just talking about yoonbum's craziness that correlates the disorder in some way and some people sprung up like...

your comment is stupid.
go educate yourself,
Real people who have BPD are not killers.
and clearly one statement there give me an hint he saw YoonBUm in a different light.. That Anon always points to Sangwoo only..

Like, why associate reality with this??? Is it that bad to make wild guesses about the character's behavior??

Oh wow, just saw this. Who knew, you were playing victim to other people? Anyway, you'll never separate reality from fiction, and vice versa. The other will always influence the other. The KS universe is based on reality, just by that fact itself, reality is integrated in KS. So... ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

KS might be inspired from the real world/ is based from the influence of the real world, it does not mean that they are connected with each other. The interpretation of the characters is based on how the author relays his passage to his readers, so the perception of the character must not be outside the box but inside, in this manga story the author wrote. I have learned that since before I hated KS but now, I have changed my mind.
I agree with someone that connecting reality with fiction is illogical...

Why sre you so agressive to posters? People are entitled to have an opinion. Argue the aubstance of the discussion rather than attacking the person.

Never did I even say that she's not entitled to give opinions. I'm not going to cower from what she started. Learn the context of this argument first before you weigh in, maybe you'll understand

I'll respond once you write a more clearer and well written reply

Agree with you and the original OP. That's what it makes this story interesting, you have an amount of different interpretations of the characters, the plot, etc. And everything is better when you share your opinions respectfully even if you disagree. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

The KS universe is fictional--a point Koogi stressed on Twitter--and not based on reality. Does it touch on some real issues and draw from experiences people can identify with? Sure--but it is still fiction. I think it's safe to say we can separate fiction from reality, and it's probably healthy to do so.

Yes but BPD is a real thing. Of course we should assess characters strictly within the premise of the KS universe. However, those assessment, especially if false, have an effect on reality. Whether it is intended or not. One scenario is that if a reader not familiar with the series happens to stumble upon false statement about BPD, he/she might generalize people who are diagnosed with BPD as killers/stalkers because the commentator had implied it that way. That's what my original comment was about. She brought a discussion from another post in this post, she also seemed to be playing victim from the looks of it. If she's gonna make me look like a villain then ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

I would argue that for most people, the effect of fiction and fantasies on reality is negligible and indirect. What meaning people choose to give a story varies from person to person. Furthermore, such influences could be easily countered by proper education (both in critical thinking and specific subjects) and real life awareness campaigns. It's possible for someone to generalize from fiction to reality, but it is unlikely that all information on a topic comes from that one source, and that knowledge and real life experiences would not change the people's minds.

While some depictions of mental illness in stories make me roll my eyes, it's fiction. Are you familiar with Ten Count? A character in that story has a germ phobia and OCD and it is not always exactly realistically portrayed, but I love the story. The mangaka takes a Freudian approach to the causes of mental illnesses, which is very outdated but makes for better storytelling. So I just accept it as part of the world rules. Also the actions of an counselor who is not really the MC's therapists, but kinds does dating/therapy/something would be horrible in the real world--but in the story I love him. That's because what I chose to take from that story is the meaning of accepting people who have such issues and loving them, and allowing them to love you in their own way--so I see it as positive despite the issues other have with it. But it's all in how the reader sees it and what the reader makes of it. I certainly wouldn't use it in a psychology class to teach about phobias or OCD (or professional ethics).

KS is a very different type of story. I can't say I get those warm fuzzy overall messages, but I find it interesting. What I see here is a complex treatment of mentally ill characters that is believable, but still playing with how to push things and where this could go. But for all the realistic and horrific edges this story has, it's still not something I would use to teach psychology--you know what I mean? It's a story.

Well, yeah. But you said it yourself though, fiction has an effect on reality. Albeit it being indirect, or at times becomes negligible. There might be people who are too lazy and would rely on that information that he/she read/saw. Some people are not as fortunate to encounter such campaigns, or encounter psychology courses for their enlightenment. And I can confirm this because in my country, mental illness campaigns are not as mainstream compared to Western countries. Also, in our country, our curriculum doesn't include psychology in elementary school or high school. So unless we take a course in Psychology in college, then it's end game for us regarding this. It all boils down to having responsibility on doing extensive research first, you know? That's why I cannot stress enough that she must be well informed when making comments about it

You seem to have misunderstood me big time if you think that the integration between reality and fiction that I talked about earlier extends to using this series as a sort of syllabus. Or perhaps I misunderstood you as to why you even brought that up

Pages 12-14 are about his first obsession, the girl saying "fuck! why do you keep showing up in front of me!" is the girl he was obsessed with and the girl saying "this is her mechanical pencil, why do you have this?" is someone who noticed he'd been stealing her things, the entire scene is to show how he was being ostracized once he was found out.

It's okay, that isn't how you meant it, i think. Don't let it get to you. (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

Anyone who reads false information and takes it to heart has to bear that mistake on their own and will be corrected eventually... Just because someone reads something online doesn't mean they're immediately going to assume it's right either... At least i don't...

page 14 is his parents reacting to him being found out that he was stalking the girl he first crushed on, a restraining order was placed on him and his father was all like: Cash me out side, how bout dat?

In other words, like i said, 2 instances: the girl and sangwoo.

Hey, i hope i didn't come across too aggressive, i'm not trying to be a dick and i do respect your opinion, i just like to debate.

I think it shows otherwise. But if you want to deny that Bum had a history of stalking outside of Sangwoo and his classmate, fine. We already agreed to disagree anyways.

Okay, bye i guess?