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I thought the same too but this might also have to do with the poison or magic that is inside his body. They talk about it like it's a drug so like drug addicts do bad stuff when they're drugged up he might be doing the same? I might be wrong LOL He would've taken over when the coup happened but he didn't. I don't think he really wants the throne.

Now that you've mentioned it, I forgot to consider that factor - he was drugged. Thanks for mentioning that. I, too, believe that he doesn't want the throne but I couldn't stop myself from thinking and asking why would he not, is it because of Wolfgang or something else?

The thing is, even though season 2 is about Shin and we get his point of view most of the time, he is still written as someone who makes plans ahead of everyone, with the said plan only being revealed later on. That still makes him a mysterious character. I want to believe that the effects of the drug is affecting his psychological state as much as his physical state but there are still many possibilities I can't possibly foresee since the authors are excellent writers.

He doesn't exactly want to be the king. Rather, it symbolizes his authority over thie king. He is the prime orchestrator throughout the whole story, the 'King maker'. He is the one who shaped Wolfgang as a perfect monarch, and planned the coup d'etat as the brains alongside Wolfgang. He is also the only reason why Wolfgang became the emperor in the first place.

However, as time passed Shin began antagonizing himself as he believed he was Wolfgang's only sin, because deep inside he knew that Wolfgang would do anything for him. He feared his own influence over Wolfgang, more so when he unconsciously slapped Wolfgang on the day of the coronation. Rather, than punishing Shin he asked for his forgiveness for being careless.

All along Shin thought handing him the sword and telling him what to do next would make Wolfgang a wise king, however it was the day of coronation that he realized over time he 'used' Wolfgang. He thought he was ruining Wolfgang. He believed that he himself may bring upon his king's downfall.

He considers himself to be Wolfgang's only flaw, hence he tries to distance himself from him. At the end Shin fears himself, fears that he may bring Wolfgang's demise.

At first Shin dismissed his feelings for Wolfgang as loyalty and viewed himself as a war trophy. However, when Shin was forced to drink the truth serum he came face to face with the fact that he loves his king. With that realization, his fear of ruining Wolfgang resurfaced but this time it was far worse than before. Previously it was only Wolfgang's eyes and the way he called his name reminded him of his own 'mistakes', but now his very existence was a constant reminder that the authority he has over his king (or well their love) could potentially bring Wolfgang to his ruins.

Shin loves both the empire, and Wolfgang. He wants to keep them safe. Even if it costs his own life. At some point he even regrets making Wolfgang because he might lose him.

In conclusion, yes Shin is the 'chess player' and Wolfgang is the 'king' but when you think about it, at the end of the day the 'king' only a pawn for the player. And Shin fears that very ending, the ending were he'd controls Wolfgang as a mere pawn.

The Shin in the king's attire is the reminder of the day he realized he loved Wolfgang, not only as a subject but as something far more intimate. It reminds him of his fear and how continues to suppress his love for Wolfgang. It also mirrors things he fears he would do. Ultimately, it embodies his self-loathing nature and antagonized self.

That's perfectly explained Deli, thank you. I think that's what I missed or forgot to consider, that he fears his authority over Wolfgang.

I'm glad that you brought up about how they handled the slapping scene because I think that was important as well. It's a nice contrast to what he did when they were children after Wolfgang lost control infront of his father. They both served as wake up calls for Wolfgang for acting irrationally but the reactions and motivations are different.

Although, if I were to say it myself, I think he's overburdened himself with these fears. I do understand that he's conscious about the power he holds over Wolfgang but the king let himself be a pawn to Shin on his own. It's obvious he did it so his love would be reciprocated and unbeknownst to him, Shin already did.

I think these matters are harder to dismiss when their roles in the kingdom come into play. Shin chose Wolfgang because he saw a chance in him, a person that could be the people's man naturally. He chose because he knew Wolfgang would prioritize the kingdom. He might be thinking now that the more they fall for each other, the clearer it is that Wolfgang might choose him over the kingdom. After all, he denied that Duke Haian(?) because he chose to save Shin rather than doing his duty, saying that he yearned for Wolfgang because he would never do that. And now I see that's become one of his fears when it comes to Wolfgang now.

It's just that the more he tries to run away, the more he knows things will be painful for him. Wolfgang will just chase him to no ends like a dog who is forever tied to a master, his efforts of denying such feelings are futile and he knows it. It's true that he trusts Wolfgang to do what's right but I think he doesn't trust him enough or maybe he doesn't trust himself enough to have a closure.

Thank you for this! My thoughts have been all over about Shin. I honestly don't know how I feel about him. I understand how he feels but I wish he would allow himself to be happy with Wolfgang

Thank you deli for your well thought out response, you perfectly captured shin's character and mindset. Grateful for your time and insight on this, it really makes me appreciate the characters and story more.

As much as I do agree that Shin overburdens himself with his worries, I can absolutely see where it comes from. Shin always dreamt of the empire's prosperity under a benevolent monarch, and eventually after many hardships he did achieve his dreams. However, on the other hand he never imagined to fall for the very king he revered as his sun.

Given his background as one of the previous monarch's 'children' it's only natural for him to afraid of love, not because Wolfgang is the son of the previous king but because the king's twisted delusions of love. As a child he witnessed all the tragedies unfold in the name of the king's 'love'; many suffered from his cruelty and many from the ones who suffered where just like him. He saw the desperation in others, the cries of mercy and the blood of the innocent. Hence, only natural for him to step back when it comes to 'love'. It's not because he is doesn't trust Wolfgang, it's because he doesn't trust himself. To him the very concept of love is sinful.

Unlike Wolfgang, Shin is also the type to put on a facade and act like everything is okay hence resulting in his bottled up emotions (which rooted from back when he was a child). Not only does he swallow his own emotions and feelings he tends to overwork and stress himself a lot. As much as these look like minor details, they clearly show how uptight Shin is, not only to others but mostly to himself. These bottled up emotions and stress than lead to self-doubt and self-awareness.

However, as much as he is aware of himself, he still doesn't know himself. Why? Because he puts everyone else before himself. He looks for a opportunity where everyone else is safe (specially Wolfgang), nonetheless he never cares of his own good.

Though it is shown Shin is the master strategist, other than using others as pawns he uses himself as one. It is not Wolfgang that he thinks of as an object, it is himself. He doesn't value his own life. This may have rooted from back when he was one of the 'children' as the king used them for his own pleasure and never treated them as human beings to begin with.

Notice how Shin never asks for anything for himself, rather it's always for the empire or Wolfgang. It is because he never really saw himself as a person before. To him his priorities matter the most because he was never really taught to love himself.

When he was only a child he was stripped of his parents and thrown into the world of unknown where he saw many like him suffer. As stoic as he can be, maybe he didn't show it but it can never be guaranteed he never feared meeting the same end as the other children.

Yes, Shin chose to make Wolfgang the king because he saw a chance but many fail to notice Wolfgang chose Shin too. He chose to save Shin from the previous emperor. Wolfgang promised his dying mother that he would never covet something that belonged to the emperor, however he fell in love with one of the emperor's possession. He became the emperor, not only for the people of the empire but also for Shin's freedom. He chose Shin because he found hope in him just like how Shin found found hope in him.

Wolfgang is a natural leader, given his overwhelming charisma and promising leadership skills. He is benevolent to the ones who serve under him. A perfect king indeed. He loves his people and hates seeing the others suffer. Such was shown when he first revealed himself to the imperial family. He couldn't stand back and watch others being sacrificed in his name, more so the ones who followed him because he was their leader. He chose to do what's 'right' and revealed his own identity though he loathed the previous king because he was responsible for his mother's death.

Shin didn't yearn for Wolfgang because he did his duty. He yearned for him simply because he loved him. Shin didn't love Haiyan, in fact he wouldn't have even looked back at him if he had not been suspicious of his ill intentions towards the throne. All Shin did was lay down a honey trap for Haiyan to fall into, Shin being the bait himself.

Unlike Wolfgang, Haiyan lacked the charisma to lead the empire a whole. He was even naïve to some extent. He believed in Shin as his lies matched his own beliefs against the king, not knowing what was awaiting for him. Haiyan isn't a very befitting leader. He didn't love his people, unlike Wolfgang who thought of his people first. If it were up to him Haiyan even mentioned he'd abandon his country; but Shin never wanted someone like that. Wolfgang's nature of fulfilling his duty as a monarch was only one of the many things Shin for. He never fell for Wolfgang because he was the 'emperor'.

On the other hand, even the way that Haiyan and Wolfgang showed each other's love to Shin are very different. While Wolfgang granted Shin his freedom and freed him from the clutches of the previous king, Haiyan trapped him. Yes, it was because he wanted to protect him from the Count Mosshire but it doesn't change what happened. Even though the place Shin was captured in was beautiful, almost heavenly didn't change the fact that he was restrained, gagged and caged in that very residence.

It's also Wolfgang who tells Shin to not throw himself away, because he knows Shin. He knows how little Shin thinks of himself, and how scared he can be. So he approaches him slowly. He lets him know he is there for him. He cherishes him like no other. He lives for Shin. He lives to give him the goal Shin dreamed of, and most importantly he trusts him.

It's not only Shin who is afraid, Wolfgang is afraid too. He is afraid of losing Shin like he lost others. He fears if he ever told he loves Shin he would run away. He is scared of not being able to with Shin. Nonetheless, he trusts him.

As a monarch, one is not allowed to lower themselves to others because they are not simply their own anymore. A monarch stands above all as they represent their people. Once an emperor lowers himself, he eventually lowers his whole nation as he bears it's burden. They are supposed to rule over the others and look after their wellbeing, not be ruled by others. Thus, the reason why Shin blamed himself was because Wolfgang kept lowering himself in some sense. When Shin accidentally slapped Wolfgang, according to the empires rules he should have been punished. Though it was an accident, his actions could've been charged as treason however rather than doing so Wolfgang asked for forgiveness. This is why Shin blamed himself, and feared that he will blur Wolfgang's conscience as a supreme monarch.

While his tries of hiding his true emotions maybe futile, Wolfgang knows him better than anyone. After all he'd gone through, and all he has done, he needs time to understand himself the most. He does trust Wolfgang, maybe even more than himself just like how Wolfgang trusts him. However, he is far from self-love. Once he accepts himself, he will eventually come to accept his own love towards Wolfgang and his love too. He needs to trust himself more before anything else.

Shin believes that Wolfgang is his sun, however a sun can never be for someone alone. The sun gives warmth to everyone. Though Shin yearns to bask under the sun's light he knows he can't be the only one. He yearns the sun but it's not like he can have it. Thus, he convinces himself that he is one of many that that bask under the same sun's light.

Yesssss, such a good explanation!

PERIOD!! Scary asf, yeah he’s a hot criminal, but now that the author hints at his past with our MC we gotta know the truth. & his manipulative Behavior is scary, “make it so he needs me to survive” fuck that crazy MF

Same!! I said that what he did was manipulative and unhealthy and people were trying to debate me! Like no I was stating a fact not an opinion. And it leaves this relationship as just a weird feeling when I read it.

Agree with you (づ￣ ³￣)づ

!!!!! Couldn't agree more! I wish Sooyoung ended with anyone rather him! Literally anyone would be healthier, his ex, the blonde guy, the doctor hahaha idk, just please save yourself from this creep bastard!!!

But he’s a sexy, sick, manipulative bastard who is 100% endgame. Soo ain’t going anywhere.

No comrade left behind ╥﹏╥

Noooo, I was so sure that by the time the translations caught up to the raws the new season would be up. I'm so sad now :(

HAHAHAHAHA

Hes the one who just got killed a couple of chapters ago.

During the second time the MC came over, the blonde in the missing poster begged MC to save him and then got killed because MC didnt want to risk his life trying. That's why MC felt really guilty when he saw the missing poster

Okay, I remember now lol thank you for telling!