"this is just fiction, it's not even real."
babe come up with whatever reasons u want to justify why u enjoyed a rape scene, but at least have it make a bit of sense. fiction and all forms of media DO impact the way we view the world, other people, and social structures and circumstances. if it didn't then literature would not be taught in school and would be extremely unimportant, and representation in any media would be null and void, if fiction has no bearing on how something in an "imaginary scenario" translates to a person when they face that same situation in reality. do u know how many straight girls i've seen on this platform and several others admit that they were homophobic before they started reading yaoi, give me a break...
i can't even fully blame all of u for trying to defend why u enjoyed a rape scene because it wasn't framed as though it was rape. it was drawn and written to be passionate and dramatic and erotic, but had this been drawn in a different manner with the seriousness it warrants, everyone would be more ready to admit that the last two chapters are terrifying and that they accent how awful the lord is to the painter and to other people in general. if u were to hear someone lay out this exact situation without context or imagery or pretty words, it'd be uncomfortable. if it had been u in the painter's position, being so drunk that u can't discern faces and finding out that u consented to having sex with someone else (barely, dubiously) but in reality had "sex" (because sex is with the consent of two or more conscious parties, and rape is with the consent and consciousness of one or more parties with the unawareness of other persons) with someone different, and that person knew that u weren't conscious enough to consent properly and knew that u thought they were someone else, it'd be a lot less sexy.
say what u want if it'll help u feel better about getting horny off of a scene in which someone is raped, but at least be honest with ur reason and say that u thought it was hot instead of coming up with bullshit reasoning.
and before u type up ur heated and defensive response, be aware that i'm not going to respond or engage with u unless ur ready to have a real conversation because ur wasting ur breath and my time.
Main character has been a giant douchebag through the Manga-first thing he did was murder a guy for virtually no reason, then kidnapped the painter. The painter is a literal prisoner there under threat, from first 20 pages onwards.
It was evident from first chapter what kind of Manga this would be.
I get that people don't like rape but it's like watching Games of Thrones and saying same thing. It's part of a messed up story, and, honestly, you have to go through murder, kidnapping, threat, blackmail, harassment, abuse to get to the rape part.
Rape is just ONE of quite a few fucked up things MC is doing.
It isn't even shown as something romantic, as you can clearly see painter can't recognise who he's with (in creepy, blurred portraits) and the potryal when the Lord tells a servant to close the doors is just creepy (if there is one thing this artist is good at, it's expressions)
Not to mention painter cries, is afraid and in pain for a good while.
Rape is a problem in stories where it is shown as basically a pusher confession, that leads to a happy relationship, like in a lot of yaois, where "I came" = "wasn't rape",
but this is not on of these stories.
Agree, totally
i read about half of it, skimmed through a good bit of it, and found that you probably did the same to my comment because you were clinging to certain aspects of my comment due to you feeling like you were under attack. you absolutely did not read my comment in full because you're derailing the discussion and making false equivalences like i said in the comment i made above this one. i said at the very bottom of this original post that if you want to make a comment being defensive instead of having a conversation, then don't waste ur breath and my time. you did exactly that. you can't read and your reading comprehension is poor, so i won't be engaging with you anymore and am only responding in order for you to understand why i'm not considering any of your words. have a great day/evening/night/wherever you are!
yeah, i'm fully not saying that the lord wasn't a bad person prior to these chapters, hence why i used the word "accent", nor am i saying that i'm surprised that the rape is there or that this is the first time it's happened in a story like this (though it still warranted a warning). i suppose my personal qualm with the scene itself is simply how it was depicted? having it be "creepy" isn't really enough if you're trying to depict a literal rape scene. rape isn't just unnerving, it's horrific, and i felt that it should've been showcased in a different way. i'm just hoping that this rape scene will actually have an impact on the story and how the main characters interact with each other, instead of it being a segway into how they develop their relationship.
anyways though, that wasn't the point of my comment. i wanted to talk about why there was a sea of people rushing to defend why they thought it was hot by making up reasons that don't make sense and aren't consistent. i made a different comment above this one because i had a feeling that i should address the people thinking that because people are criticizing the fan interaction with the scene and the story itself, then they're saying that no one should get to enjoy the story at all. YOU understand the weight of the story and the fact that there's not an inkling of romance to be had between these two characters in a story like this. a lot of other people are here because they want romance where it's not supposed to be when there are thousands of other stories that are designed for that.
is the doctor for real? no joke he's so trash at his job... how are you gonna ignore the warnings of someone who actively interviewed your serial killer patient about the murders they committed and why they did what they did just because you like them?
i know clark slips up and lets his desire get the best of him despite his tendency to view and analyze his environment logically but the doctor is just as guilty as he is for doing so by even directing clark alex's way. how could he not severe his ties with alex as soon as he realized he was starting to gain feelings for him as it would cause him to do a less than professional job with alex's recovery and treatment due to his own personal investment? so much of this could have been avoided, i don't get him
Damn you spitting facts right here
the second dg said he changed his mind he should've been allowed to leave....... manipulating him into sex counts as sexual assault but...... alright i guess......
if any of y'all end up in up in a relationship with a person like the second story's uke, literally do everything u can to get out of that relationship lol. being bad at communicating one's emotions is a REASON but doesn't constitute as an excuse, especially for such disgusting behavior. even if he had trouble conveying how he truly felt, there was no need for him to do any of that at all. he didn't even apologize, and made the seme look like he was the one who was at fault and even had him asking for forgiveness. yeaaa, if any of u guys end up in a relationship like that, that's a giant red flag.
stop excusing veronica lol......... i get that she was raised in a close minded environment but that does nothing but provide a REASON for her mindset, not an excuse. she's an obsessive, homophobic, manipulative liar. that's all there is to it. nobody should feel sorry for someone like that, regardless of if they need help or not. that's like excusing a serial killer (cough, cough, gale) for being sick when they still killed people.
But Gale is such a sweetheart, but isn't he a hired killer instead of a serial killer?
I agree! a shame they will never kill her for what she doing, this liar bitch!!
i hope y'all actually take more caution than this if you guys actually end up doing this. you discuss these things with the partner or partners you're intending on practicing with, you do research, you check to see what the partner(s) is or isn't comfortable with doing, you establish safewords, you look into subspace/domspace, all of that. you don't do any of that on a whim especially when you don't have a safe word established. on top of that, i don't care how many people are going on about how "it's just fiction" or "it's bl", being flippant about lying about using a condom may not be rape, but it's awful to do, especially when your partner doesn't know if you got checked or you don't know if your partner got checked. the way y'all brush these things off because it's "not real" really has me scared sometimes of what y'all are gonna do in the real world lmao
Tbh i read only the last paragraph but its something i agree on ...like ive watched some jap porn and they are really into this stuff and the highschool theam like ive seen that alot you know the gym uniform and stuff.......
the lying about the condom is only part of it...yubin actually said, 'i didn't give you my consent!' but you know, know one cares about that. i agree with you about the bdsm. a partner has to agree to it as well.
no offense but i don't get how or why people aren't getting that sunbae is an abuser, an assaulter, and an emotional manipulater? sunhwa got hard because that's how his body reacted, not because it was something he wanted? he clearly and repeatedly said he was scared both vocally and within his thoughts......this is not kinky my guys. this is called abuse.
i think some of u are maybe not reading things properly, or ur clinging onto very specific parts of an argument without regarding the argument in its entirety, and a lot of u are using false equivalences (things that may share traits but are certainly not the same thing) by comparing rape to murder, like saying an orange is an apple because they're both fruits.
if u know that u don't support rape in reality, then good for u! that's common decency and common sense and u will not be getting a pat on the back for it, but ur doing better than some people out there.
i think people need to be more ready to address the simplicity of the state of the comments section: it's not about the presence of the rape scene in general or the ideal that some of u must be into rape "in real life", but it's completely about the jump to defend thinking that a rape scene is hot and sexy, despite the fact that its still rape.
fictionality doesnt take away from the seriousness of it, and fiction doesn't just stop affecting people once the reader is done. if a movie about characters in circumstances that are completely and absolutely unreal could make a person cry and cause a person to dedicate their spare time to it to the point of fanaticism and change the outlook that person has on life, then the principle should be applied here and with other works of fiction.
nobody is saying u can't read or enjoy the story anymore, or that ur wrong for believing that the story is interesting (even I'M going to continue reading the story). we're talking about the defense of thinking that a rape scene, particularly in this story, is hot and continuing to think so after knowing that it was rape. don't be dense.
god EXACTLY!! the level of critical thinking that’s typically found here is fucking abysmal lmfao.
Finally someone with a fully functioning brain. There’s still hope for humanity
Well, as for me, I did compare murder with rape because I was trying to make my point clearer but not because I think one is equivalent to the other. Just like not one suffering can be compared to others, it is the same with crimes and victims. My comparison of rape and murder, I used it taking into consideration how some murder scenes have made me feel. Examples: When in the Hannibal Lecter series, Mason Verger was killed, I was very happy about it, but it was still murder. Every time the Punisher kills a guy, I celebrated it, but it's still murder. So, I get what you are saying about how wrong sometimes immoral actions are presented in media outlets. All I'm saying is that it doesn't mean I don't notice or understand the core of the situation, it means I'm still going to read this and not feel guilty about it.