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Gossiping to your pal that you want to marry the person who repeatedly tries to run away from you, and who you raped in order to "tie him down' doesn't seem like love. Dojin hasn't communicated to Hyeseong that he actually likes him or loves him as a person, he's pregnant with his baby so feels responsible, and apart from that, it just comes off possessive. Dojin's choosing to try and trap Hyeseong by giving him financial rewards, and promising him he wont rape him until the baby is born, rather than actually verbally communicate to him. (It's not that Hyeseong is any better, but I just disagree with your argument that Dojin is an "angel", just because he is more keen on becoming a parent than Hyesung.)

Lol, could you BE more biased? I'm not going to bother, you're too set in your opinion to hear reason. Just go away.

You cant tell someone to go away because they have a different opinion lmao

I told them to go away because they came at me and we had JUST been arguing before i posted this comment. Kind of like you and i, go away.

Yes he’s in love with him. Was even sorry for controlling him and raping him when Hyesung wanted to leave. He still did it.
He is buying Hyesung anything and everything to appease him so he will want to be with him (it’s gonna happen, it always does)
Dojin want something to tie Hyesung to him. The Bam, a baby! What luck! He’s using the baby just as much as Hyesung, using the “it’s not just ur baby” one to trap him. Sure he’s being all nice about it but there’s all different kinds of abuse, this is just one of the more hidden ones. Not saying he’s full on abusive tho, I agree he’s smitten but there’s other ways to go about it.

Saying that, Hyesung is being a little shit about all this but remember he didn’t want any of it (no excuse, he’s still a brat) and is dealing with it the “best” way he knows. He only thinks Dojin wants him around as “inspiration” and now coz he’s pregnant. He hasn’t been told otherwise and before there’s the “oh but it’s so obvious!” the author has stated numerous times that the guy’s an idiot and need stuff explained to him.
Wow, who’d have thought a fictional story would go into so much depth.... (sarcasm, things like this always happens)

The 1st shopping trip was to appease Hyesung, because he was upset so he wasn't in a stable state of mind while thinking he wants an abortion. NOW he's letting Hyesung buy whatever he wants because he's trying to court Hyesung, Dojin SAYS this, if you're going to argue you need to back what you say. Dojin noticed that buying/giving him materialistic things makes him happy, so he is taking that approach to winning him over. He actually says this, "i was totally wrong about him, he isn't all that into the 'subtly showing he cares' thing", he's saying small, unspoken gestures don't impress Hyesung as he prefers to be treated like a queen and showered with gifts: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-21/4/
Further proof of this here on ch 22, pgs 33 and 34: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-22/33/ where you SEE Hyesung happy with his stuff and here: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-23/13/ where you see Hyesung refuse to do as Heesoo says specifically because he won't get as much out of it. It is the materialistic wealth that sways him, both personally and romantically, Dojin knows this and is wooing him with materialistic wealth.


What? Want to cite some pages implying Dojin is using the baby? Because i can cite some where he is by himself, so no one to act around, and lovingly chooses out a pair of baby booties while smiling ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-22/32/). Or when Hyesung is asleep, no one to act around, and says "my child" with a love struck look on his face ( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-20/16/). He loves the baby. He is the page where he oogles the ultrasound with a wonderous look on his face: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-22/14/ and on pg 18 he says "the world seems to be filled with light". He is ecstatic about the baby. That is why he says "it's my baby too!" with a panicked expression when Hyesung says he's going to get an abortion. He's not "using the baby", he loves it and doesn't want it aborted. Not sure where you got the idea he's using the baby to keep Hyesung... Again, cite some pages for this theory you've got going on. The baby is just as much one of his main concerns as getting Hyesung to love him.


Any time Hyesung has been confused about something, especially involving Dojin, it has shown him angst about it and made it clear he's upset as he causes issues between them because of it. There is nothing implying he still thinks Dojin is using him. They talked, Dojin explained it was a misunderstanding and Hyesung is aware that Dojin wants the baby. This is evidenced by his dialogue saying "it's his baby too"( http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/love_is_an_illusion/uu/love_is_an_illusion-chapter-21/9/). Not sure where you got the idea that Hyesung still thinks he's being used. He knows Dojin genuinely wants the baby.

You can “use” something to ur advantage and still want and love it. And I don’t really need to go the whole nine yards with picture proof (too annoying while on my phone and moving) and I know what scenes ppl are talking about. They are in later chapters where things are getting “better” as the MCs learn to understand each other. It’s sweet and what we all want to happen.
But My whole point (something u seemed to not mention) was that Dijon is no angel in this. he’s doing everything to keep Hyesung by his side even when the other originally stated he wanted to leave (after continued “drug” induced sex, a fact people are happy to ignore)
But ppl are all “bad Uke! Seme deserves better!” And forgetting what Dijon did just coz he’s being nice and taking Hyesung’s abuse like a champ now.
I’m not ignoring the progress they’re making (Raw’s show it gets better and sweeter) but u can’t write off what’s happened and expect the uke to not act out at about how he was treated (he even said “I’m sick and tiered of being used!”) and straight up forgive the seme. The realist aspect of this story, while slightly exaggerated, is interesting.
As long winded as that was (sorry) I’m not telling you to agree. Best thing about discussions/arguments are the different opinions people have on them. Provide someone doesn’t get in a tizzy because someone else is not agreeing with them. But we’re all human.

There are so many incorrect statements that i don't know where to begin, but why should i put in effort if you're just going to say "nuh-uh" to the actual proof i show you and refuse to put in any effort on your end. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

It was a rather long post but sure all I said “nah-uh”. Note: though u still ignored my words and just wrote them off.
I didn’t require me going out of my way to post links. I assume you read the story and would know what I’m talking about as I did for you. I more or less agreed with what u said anyway just advised not to ignore the wrong Dojin had done.
But hey, I expressed my opinion and you yours. Wasn’t looking for a blow out argument nor will I take the bait for one. I briefly outline these comments (as well as others) with a person unaffiliated with this story or anything yaoi and it made be feel rather childish having to explain it

Added extra: like having to explain how/why a guy can give birth, oi.

"i assumed you'd know what parts of the story i meant as i did with you", i gave pages to look at, i'd hope you knew what i was talking about... You didn't. Anyways, it's not that i'm "ignoring what you said", it's that everything you said was extremely biased or literally just wrong, that's why i said "so many incorrect statements that i don't know where to begin". I really don't feel like going into your last response because there is SO much to say and i know you're just going to respond with more bullshit and not back any of it again, in other words "nuh-uh".

1. I'll go through it though: Everything you said up to "drug induced sex" is just "nuh-uh" backed by nothing to all the pages i gave that you can actually look at to verify everything i said is true.

2. "drug induced sex"? Wtf are you talking about? You mean the heat? There is no sex where Dojin drugs Hyesung. It sounds like you mean the very beginning where the omega Hyesung sprays alpha pheromones on himself and accidentally brings himself into heat, that is one of the scams Hyesung fell for that i mentioned. Dojin was going to and could've just left Hyesung to be raped by that alpha he went up to and was rubbing on, he instead took him home. What does Dojin get for this? One of the sex scenes where he is forced to have sex with Hyesung against his will. Dojin literally says "no, NO!" as he's penetrating Hyesung in this scene. The pheromones Hyesung was releasing forced him.

3. Here is the biggest misinterpretation of the story: "he wanted to leave", you're ignoring the context here, he didn't just "want to leave", he was under a misunderstanding here and was leaving in a huff without letting Dojin explain. Hyesung had overheard Dojin say he gets inspiration from Hyesung, Hyesung took this to mean he is "being used" as you point out later in your comment. HE WAS WRONG, it was him misunderstanding things and causing more drama. If you look at the scene, Dojin is trying to get him to stay so they can talk and he can explain, but Hyesung is too busy being a diva and trying to huff off so Dojin gets stressed and accidentally releases a small amount of pheromones. Hyesung only NOW turns around and all he has to say to the guy who's been busting his ASS providing for him, bailing him out of that sex scam, getting him a job to ensure he doesn't get into any sex interviews again and dealing with the constant sexual assault while being accused for the sex is "are you threatening me?". Dojin has done nothing but help Hyesung, so this upsets him and he releases his pheromones, NOT to "force him not to leave and knot him" as you suggest, if you have any reading comprehension you will see he did it because he was offended Hyesung was even implying he WOULD threaten him. He releases them to make this point. Hyesung says "these are his pheromones?" because he didn't recognize them. Why? Dojin goes on to say why "have i ever released my pheromone around you? I was nice to you, i let you make yourself at home. Why are you always trying to leave?". He literally says it. He's done nothing but take care of Hyesung, he used his pheromone to show Hyesung that he doesn't recognize them because he's never used them on him before, he then loses control. Hyesung says "his eyes... Get ahold of yourself!" during the scene because he noticed Dojin lost control once he let his pheromones out, Dojin then later says "i lost all sense of control" confirming this. This means HE KNOTTED HIM ON ACCIDENT. It was all an accident after he released his pheromones.

This is why i didn't want to respond to you, it's not just that you aren't putting in effort, it's that you're also spouting a lot of verifiably incorrect things... You ignore context. Yes, of course you agreed with everything i said, i proved it with pages, you can't argue. It was all explicitly said. I put effort in, you didn't and no i don't "see what you mean" because the story just literally isn't as you described it. PROVE. ME. THE. FUCK. WRONG.

I’m not trying to prove you wrong.... I never said u were wrong. There’s no black and white to this story, that’s what makes it interesting. I was stating that while Hyesung is being a brat. Dojin is no saint. Why u making a huge deal out of that I’m not on board “the uke is horrible. Love seme” train?

Careful with that strawman, it burns. I clearly take issue with all the falsehoods you spout while trying to justify your opinion, not that you have one. Do i think your opinion is a little, no really, ridiculous? Yes. But idc to try and change your mind. I tried not to bother, it's not my fault that you want to be able to just say whatever you want with no reply.

You literally wrote an essay justifying and romanticising a rape scene lmfao, I don't know if I should laugh or feel sad for you.

Really? insults? And here I thought we were having a grown up discussion of differences. How wrong was I. And I was so enjoying the back and forth.
Sure if it makes you feel better that u think ur getting some negative reaction by all means call my opinion ridiculous doesn’t change that’s its mine.

If you laugh hard enough u might cry? So that’ll be both :)
But it is sad that ppl can over look something bad just coz the culprit is nice and sweet and the victim is (albeit going the wrong way about it) pampered

"insults"? Saying i find your opinion "ridiculous" is an insult to you? Good luck with life. O/

This is an omegaverse you're reading, Dojin was under the effects of pheromones... If you have a valid argument to go with your ideology, feel free.

Again. This is an omegaverse you're reading... If you have a valid argument to go with your ideology, feel free.

Life holds little if any luck. But thanks

Life holds little if any luck. But thanks

-cryptic shit is cryptic- but seriously, habe a nice life. O/

Have*

Oh I see! That makes rape ok then. It’s all so clear to me now.
And that’s at Hyesung too, they are both at fault at one point or another.

You want to say they're all raping each other? Even though they can't help it? What? How can you rape someone... On accident? Rape is done with intention, it's a mindset. Educate yourself, what you're saying is insulting to rape victims. If we were to ask a rape victim who they'd rather be stuck in a room with, a verified rapist with the intention to rape them or a guy who by accident put his penis inside them and apologized after, who do you think they'd choose? Apply this to Hyesung, you think he'd rather be stuck in a room with Dojin or some other alpha with the INTENT to rape Hyesung when the both go into heat and then blame it on the heat?

Wow, that was a twist of words if there ever was one....
Seriously, ur bringing real life rape into this? That honestly makes me question your age that u even brought it up. There’s no guarantee that all rape victims would react the same way to ur scenario. For one, yes maybe they’d rather the “guy who accidentally stuck their penis and apologised” (something improbable tho if not flat out impossible) if they are the forgiving type. But me personally, as well as few ppl I know, would see both men as one and the same, one party said no, they didn’t want it but it still happened. What’s an insult to victims is saying that’s is ok if the culprit had no control and said sorry. A lot of them mightn’t see it that why.
Second, Real life vs fiction, they’re not the same, just clarifying that . But for arguments sake. Let’s say “going into heat” is equivalent to being drug by a chemical that makes you want to have sex with a person (there’s drugs out there that do that) Does that make it ok? That it wasn’t rape?

Wow, that was a twist of words if there ever was one....
Seriously, ur bringing real life rape into this? That honestly makes me question your age that u even brought it up. There’s no guarantee that all rape victims would react the same way to ur scenario. For one, yes maybe they’d rather the “guy who accidentally stuck their penis and apologised” (something improbable tho if not flat out impossible) if they are the forgiving type. But me personally, as well as few ppl I know, would see both men as one and the same, one party said no, they didn’t want it but it still happened. What’s an insult to victims is saying that’s is ok if the culprit had no control and said sorry. A lot of them mightn’t see it that why.
Second, Real life vs fiction, they’re not the same, just clarifying that . But for arguments sake. Let’s say “going into heat” is equivalent to being drug by a chemical that makes you want to have sex with a person (there’s drugs out there that do that) Does that make it ok? That it wasn’t rape?

You don't have a point here^. I'm not sure how this was a valid response to what i said. You bring up "drugs", but the heat and drugs can't be compared. The heat is a natural biological reaction, like breathing or a penis getting erect. Drugs ALTER you to change your state of mind ihto something else. Let's pretend that this IS a valid comparison, obviously the guy who drugged you would be at fault, not you... Obviously... Do you have to think about that? was that supposed to be thought provoking? What was the point? Not even in court would you be charged of rape if there was a malevolent 3rd party who verifiably set the whole thing up. Anyone with logic wouldn't blame you. I'd even argue that the other person wouldn't blame you, if they knew what happened to you too. Jesus christ, lets not start going into what-ifs, you come across as the type to spam them and i'd rather not. As a parting note: you're being ridiculous again, nobody who has been raped would choose to be stuck in a room with a rapist with intent over a guy who had an accident... That isn't even a topic for debate. When i say accident, i mean accident, not gray areas like getting drunk. I mean, a there-is-no-way--he-did-it-on-purpose accident. Like if a dude fell on a nude beach and his penis went inside a woman. The heat is on this tier of accident, it isn't a gray area, they literally can't help it.

“A dude fell in a nude beach and his penis went into a woman.” In what world has that happened? Ever. That’s physical impossible. It can be accepted he fell on her and accidentally touched or grabbed her (there are more types of sexual assault than penetration) then by all means he says sorry and they go about their day. I ever once said anyone that’s been rape would choose a rapist over a guy who would do it “accidentally”. I said you can’t except to know the minds of rape victims, they all think differently. Some could rather the accidental guy if there was only the two choices. Myself personally wouldn’t go with either if there was a chance that I’ll be assaulted against my will even by “accident”. It’s not a pleasant experience. There is no way you can accidentally have sex, even with your mind or body impaired by drugs or alcohol or other things.

As for the “court won’t charge u for rape if a third party is involved” that’s not strictly true. A guy off a fantasy sex website had been talking to this girl about her rape fantasy (the type where both sides consent) and she was giving him details on what she wanted, even how to enter her home. So on the night the agreed, he came and attempted to “rape” her and she started fighting and telling him to stop (all part of the fantasy)
He was caught and charged for rape but when he tried explaining the situation she had no idea what he was talking about. Turned out someone with a grudge against the girl made up a fake profile on the sex site and had been talking to the man all along. The man was still charged (albeit not as harshly as most offenders) because the girl told him to stop and he didn’t.
The law does take it into account the culprit being mentally/physically impaired the person can still get charged.
Look, we can argue real laws and that on the topic all day, I’ve done it before in real life. But it stirs up unpleasant memories.
Back to the omegavers, heat is a biological stage and can’t be controlled (except by suppressant but they don’t always work) so once in it they need the urge to be stated, fair enough. But in the story we have Dojin making Hyesung unable to move due the pheromones he just willingly gave out. For that chapter, he is still in control of himself, even trying to bargain with Hyesung “I won’t do anything if you promise not to leave.” (That’s more or less a threat of intent by the way, but not the issue). All the while Hyesung is tell him to stop and cussing at him. It’s not till the next chapter where Dojin let’s his alpha side take over and they knot “accidentally”. They would not have been in that situation to start with if Dojin hadn’t taken him to bed. There was no consent given.

“A dude fell in a nude beach and his penis went into a woman.” In what world has that happened? Ever. That’s physical impossible. It can be accepted he fell on her and accidentally touched or grabbed her (there are more types of sexual assault than penetration) then by all means he says sorry and they go about their day. I ever once said anyone that’s been rape would choose a rapist over a guy who would do it “accidentally”. I said you can’t except to know the minds of rape victims, they all think differently. Some could rather the accidental guy if there was only the two choices. Myself personally wouldn’t go with either if there was a chance that I’ll be assaulted against my will even by “accident”. It’s not a pleasant experience. There is no way you can accidentally have sex, even with your mind or body impaired by drugs or alcohol or other things.

As for the “court won’t charge u for rape if a third party is involved” that’s not strictly true. A guy off a fantasy sex website had been talking to this girl about her rape fantasy (the type where both sides consent) and she was giving him details on what she wanted, even how to enter her home. So on the night the agreed, he came and attempted to “rape” her and she started fighting and telling him to stop (all part of the fantasy)
He was caught and charged for rape but when he tried explaining the situation she had no idea what he was talking about. Turned out someone with a grudge against the girl made up a fake profile on the sex site and had been talking to the man all along. The man was still charged (albeit not as harshly as most offenders) because the girl told him to stop and he didn’t.
The law does take it into account the culprit being mentally/physically impaired the person can still get charged.
Look, we can argue real laws and that on the topic all day, I’ve done it before in real life. But it stirs up unpleasant memories.
Back to the omegavers, heat is a biological stage and can’t be controlled (except by suppressant but they don’t always work) so once in it they need the urge to be stated, fair enough. But in the story we have Dojin making Hyesung unable to move due the pheromones he just willingly gave out. For that chapter, he is still in control of himself, even trying to bargain with Hyesung “I won’t do anything if you promise not to leave.” (That’s more or less a threat of intent by the way, but not the issue). All the while Hyesung is tell him to stop and cussing at him. It’s not till the next chapter where Dojin let’s his alpha side take over and they knot “accidentally”. They would not have been in that situation to start with if Dojin hadn’t taken him to bed. There was no consent given.

I have nothing to say to the 1st paragraph, it does nothing for anyone.

As far as the case you brought up, details matter, did they know who the 3rd party was? If they can't identify the 3rd party then the charges can only be placed on the guy since he can't prove his claims. "For that chapter he is still in control", no he isn't. Go back and look at the times Hyesung went into heat and notice that they are still conscious, so they can talk, but they're in a trance-like state where they can't control themselves and their thoughts seem impaired. No offense, seriously, but him being in control isn't up for debate, the story has explicitly said he wasn't. Dojin literally says "i lost all sense of control" in ch 20 and Hyesung says "his eyes... Get ahold of yourself!" because he saw Dojin lost control. You can't argue that point, sorry. The rest of the paragraph is based on your misunderstanding that Dojin was in control, no need to reply to that last bit.

Yes, I too would like to ignore that fact that some ppl think u can have sex by accident. Just like ppl believing the world is flat.

Of course they knew the third party. That’s how they knew there was a third party. It was the girl’s ex that had a grudge against her and wanted to get back at her in a sick and twisted way (he got charged as well) point is the other guy still got charged for the crime while under the influence of a third party.

Well duh, of course I’m going to respond to that last bit. I’m a stubborn bitch if u hadn’t noticed and it’s the whole reason we’re having this conversation.
you’re talking about chapter twenty yes? He had lost control by then. I was talking about the chapter before that when he was tell Hyesung not to leave. He was in control then, fully aware of what he was doing. Then the next chapter he lost it. If he had lost control at that moment, he wouldn’t have the forethought to take Hyesung to the bedroom.

But it’s still a fantastic story regardless of our views and they are going to fall in love with each other and the baby.

Idk what you're saying at the top of this^ message.

Legal systems are fucked. In the case you gave, the guy was still in complete control of his senses, it wasn't "uncontrollable" like this manhwa and there is no way to prove the guy wasn't in cahoots with the chick's ex bf, of course he got charged. We can go on about that case, but it isn't a valid comparison to the manhwa. I see your point, but this is another example of you choosing a gray area to compare to rather than an accident. The heat isn't in his control, at all.

When i said "no reason to reply to that last bit", i was talking about myself since the last bit of that reply of yours was based on your idea that Dojin was in control. "i was talking about the chapter before when he told Hyesung not to leave", i hate to be the guy that tells others what they were talking about, but no you weren't. We can go back, i'll quote you: "For that chapter Dojin is still in control of himself, even trying to bargain with Hyesung. 'i won't do anything if you promise not to leave'", this quote you gave is within the pheromone sex scene. If you want to talk about the scene leading up to the pheromone sex, he didn't use his pheromones to keep Hyesung from leaving, he used them to show Hyesung he's never used them on him before. He intended to let Hyesung get a feel of them so that Hyesung would realize he has never used them on him or he'd already recognize them, but he loses control as soon as helets them out. I talk about this here:

-continuation- I talk about this here: http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/3169553/

There IS more I swear on that

I think he's conflicted, he's showing care for Hye-sung but he doesn't really value Hue-sungs autonomy. But the argument that marriage means that love is involved is a bit ridiculous. They would literally be having what is known as a shotgun wedding, which is when you quickly get married when one person ends up pregnant, because "it's the right thing to do", and previously a child was regarded as "born out of wedlock" which carried stigma.

"marriage means love"? I never said that. What i said was that the story established that he's in love just through the buildup and his dialogue/facial expressions and now he wants to marry him. Marriage with no buildup is a shotgun wedding, marriage consciously wanted after falling in love is the ultimate commitment and very strong indicator of how strong his feelings are. To be frank, the fact that he's in love wasn't a topic of debate for me, that is what the comment is about, it is obvious from just reading that he is, i went through the rest of the comment with that established as fact after pointing that out.

I know but you know this makes it even more painful to watch all that hyesung is doing. I hope there comes a point where dojin gives up on hyesung and hyesung realizes just how well he had been treated. If it was some other alpha I'm pretty sure hyesung would have been as miserable as his mom had been or more. I just want Hyesung to appreciate dojin, not even love him back bc that seems too tall an order for hyesung. Also, yes now I truly believe HYESUNG IS A GOLD DIGGER!

this is a very well written analysis and i completely agree with most of it, especially the idea that he'd fallen in love before he even realized it. it kind of snuck up on him, and fargo illustrated this very well. ^o^

Omg, i know, i borderline hate Hyesung rn because of his personality. So quick to jump to conclusions and hurt his benefactor.

My favorite part so far has been watching Dojin favor Hyesung without really knowing why. Gap moe is my BANE, so seeing him all stoic and conflicted while favoring Hyesung, and then leading up to the sheer cuteness displayed by Dojin in ch 20 SLAYED me.

good point

i really doubt there is gonna be a plot twist like that? did you see the way moog responded in chapter 16 when yohan asked him why he liked junseo? what moog said was so simple yet so sweet in a way... me and yohan are both dumbasses who've never been in love before but somehow me and this dumb fictional boy both understood that moog was being sincere ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ also we can see that moog always gets flustered and flushes red whenever he's around junseo but yohan has never once elicited a reaction like that from moog... i really think the way the plot is gonna develop is that moog's genuine feelings for junseo will shift over to feelings for yohan overtime (๑•ㅂ•)و✧ i mean i hope so i want that to happen anyway lmao

Unfortunately that isn't what happens. From here on out it gets a bit sad. And by a bit I mean a lot.

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what do you mean oh no my heart just sank

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Soon, we will see the way yohan wrestles with his feelings about love and how it makes him feel. You can tell he's still very hurt about what happened to his brother. We are also about to see what goes down with moog`s love interest and I've seen a lot of people say stuff they think is going to happen and they are all wrong. We see how it affects moog and how that, in turn, affects yohan. Yohan starts to figure out his feelings much later and something happens with him and moog. Omg, it's a lot. Seriously. I'm sounding vague because there's so much that's happened. If you look at the raws you will be able to tell what is happening. Lol but this is still a fluffy bl. Its isn't like, someone gets killed or seriously injured. Just angsty stuff.

I'll just have to read the raws. It honestly seems to me he has liked yohan since they were kids but since that isn't true then do they even end up together? I re-read it like 4 times because I knew something was off ..now that I figured it out you're telling me that they don't get together? lol

did we read the same raws? i've read up to 45 and there is like one or two sad chapters. they are like falling madly in love at the moment, but only if you read it...the pictures are not showing much. those fuckers love each other lol

ya i just read up to chapter 45 now too (they're so cute my face is about to fall off i'm smiling too much gosh) but since we're all caught up it doesn't feel like that angst was that bad but the english translations are gonna come slowly and that like 2-3 chapters long angst is really gonna eat at all the readers lmao

My korean is pretty broken but from what I read I don't think it gets as sad as everyone thinks from the pics. especially when it goes back in time and shows us what we didn't see before, like when yohan was asleep.

True true. Lol i probably feel that way because I know I have to wait forever for the subs to catch up. I think it's mainly this little part here that hurts the most, especially since the emotions are drawn so well and I can really feel it. And with my broken Korean (lol we are just broken people I guess) I could kind of understand where some of it is heading. Honestly, the hardest genre for me to handle is unrequited love, so this whole premise depresses me!!! The raws are definitely reaching a point where they are getting more hopeful and it isn't as sad anymore. I was just in my feelings and being too dramatic. Lol sorry. I should have worded it better.

Then stop. Let the ass get used to it first by stretching it out properly before ramming in a fucking dick and more lube, there is no such thing as too much lube for a virgin ass.

Yeah, no shit, but the fact is that you're going to bleed regardless. Again, look it up.

It doesn't have to bleed. Ass just needs to be trained, using buttplugs of varying girth and dildos till it can stretch well enough and handle friction. That's why you don't just ram it in. It's common sense. Of course it WILL bleed if you just ram it in and not patiently insert it until the rectal muscles adjust. Watch porn. Even if the bottom's not a virgin, some tops take time to insert their dicks in.

What you say is true, but it's a strawman. It doesn't apply to a virgin. Yes, stretching will help, but since they're a virgin they'll bleed WHILE being stretched because it hasn't been stretched before. Stop responding till you educate yourself.

This isn't a debate, trigger warning: facts. I'm blocking you since you keep arguing facts.

I agree with you that the author was going for that feeling, but the point that bothers me is where he references BLEEDING afterwards. I don't care if it's dub-con but dear lord if your partner starts bleeding during sex and you didn't just pop a woman's cherry then you need to fucking stop.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/kajou_mousou_shounen/uu/9cba1c34caea31431330136c134a9c6f_chapter-4/pg-4/

You mention a "woman's cherry", but this was sex between two men, the anus bleeds the 1st time and you will hurt a bit the following morning. You (not you, the general public)can't hate him because the sex lead to "bleeding and soreness" when it is supposed to. Anyone who doesn't know how first time anal works should look it up.

Usually male betas and alphas can not get pregnant. But female alphas can 'make' children. A lesbian family would be possible, but have never seen an author who has taken care of this matter.
I think that children are usually tested early, so that they already know before their first heat, if they are an omega and they usually stay home during heat and also take pills if they do not have a partner. In most omegaverses, alphas and omegas can form a bond (by bite) that will make them no longer attractive to others.

I've never seen it said that "male betas and alphas can't get pregnant" anywhere though. The bite thing is true and i have seen manga where betas are desctibed as "normal humans", though that seems more at the author's discretion. From my experience, it is usually the case that alphas can get pregnant as well, there is a lot of mentioning of alphaXalpha to "protect the genes", it doesn't ever mention alpha males working differently in these situations besides maybe less likelihood of getting pregnant than the other sexes. The mark/bond is an important detail as well.

I only heard that male omegas has a womb.
It of cause depents on the writer, but for me even omegaverse has it's rules.
Theres a good page with a lot details here:
http://fanndists.tumblr.com/post/115147143334
The pregnancy part says: "Omegas, beta females, and occasionally alpha females can become pregnant."
And for alpha+alpha I guess one of them is female.

I don't disagree with that part but I disagree with everything else yrtw said and you presumably agree with. The uke is part of an abusive relationship. Even those who have a good emotional and mental stability can be abused, after all. T.

"abusive"? How? Sure, he takes advantage of the uke's naivety to initiate sex by saying it's "to help bring out his sex appeal", but the uke says himself that he wants it during the very 1st sex scene and never seems particularly upset about the sex so much as the seme's REASON for participating.