It'd be nice if they'd get a damn life. Putting that aside, i really can't decide how i feel about all this... Heesu was asleep, why not just let him sleep? Why does EVERYTHING have to work in Seungwon's favor (to be clear, i'm not blaming him or mad at him, i'm just not understanding what the shoulder thing achieved as Heesu was asleep)? The entire thing was set up to give Seungwon opportunities and keep them together, to the point that Chanyoung was actively pushing Heesu onto Seungwon the entire time since Heesu was gravitating towards him. It feels kind of predatory too, he's asleep and being knowingly pushed onto the shoulder of a guy who has feelings for him. He should have a say in any physical contact with a guy who is going to view the contact through a romantic lense. It only feels okay because of how cute they are, but if you really look at JUST the event, it is worrisome. Would it be okay if 2 guys took their female friend out to a movie, 1 had a crush on her, she fell asleep and was pushed onto that guy's shoulder? It's one thing if SHE fell onto HIS shoulder, but for the guy with the crush to get jealous and glare at the other guy leading to her getting pushed onto him is kinda... Creepy? Though, admittedly Seungwon's love is pure af. What about this, would it be okay for a dude to hold the hand of a sleeping girl in class because he likes her? Yeah, it's cute, but it's an invasion of space. Or another example, as a gay man, if i enter a men's changing room and look around, it's fine, but if i look around at a specific person because i like them and they find out the intent behind my stare, they have a right to be creeped out because i invaded their privacy. It's the same concept here, only a different scenario. The issue isn't how Heesu feels about it, it's that Seungwon knows that he has intimate feelings for Heesu and chose to touch him with that intent while he was sleeping. Idk, i feel like his feelings don't justify what is essentially him touching his unconscious crush out of self interest. The manipulation is getting awkward, tbh. Seeing Heesu just being innocent and naive af while his "friends" try to manipulate his feelings kind of creeps me out a bit. It was less so till now, now it's progressively getting more awkward.
He was asleep??? He almost fell on seungwon shoulder anyway?? And honestly he was tired he knew he was falling asleep, and didn’t seem to care much. god don’t read so much into it lmao
Um... Why are you being so rude? I just posted my thoughts on the chapter... I also don't consider it as "reading too much into it". He fell on Chanyoung's shoulder, Chanyoung then pushed him onto the shoulder of a guy in love with him while he was unconscious, is any of this wrong? Where there did i "read into it"? It was a pretty straightforward response just to the events that happened, you act like i brought up symbolism or something. He "didn't care much" because he is naive and doesn't understand what is happening and his friends are taking advantage of that. Am i wrong? Are they not literally relying on how dense he is to put them together? I had said that this is what is making me uncomfortable, the way they're conspiring and tricking Heesu who is too innocent to know what is going on. You also say "he was asleep" like it's an argument, that's the problem. These 2 took advantage of him while he was unconscious, if he wanted that kind of contact with Seungwon, he'd do it himself while awake. It's just weird to force the situation to happen, you don't pull your crush onto your shoulder while they're sleeping because there're romantic undertones in the action that might not be appreciated. Not sure how you don't see that. I can tell this isn't so much about what i said as it is about you having a personal grudge, sorry if i was rude to you or something, but try not to shitpost on my comments in the future. I recognize your username, but i can't remember from where, so i know we have a past.
First of all I don’t know who you are or recognise your username at all so idk what you’re thinkinf lol, ans I’m saying you read to far into it because it was simple and not as creepy as you’re saying it was. Of course seungwon wouldn’t like him to sleep on the other guys shoulder, because MC might like him from his point of view (they have a history and MC Is always with him and before that MC told him to stay away- for all he know he might like him). He obviously didn’t care who he touched because he nearly laid on the guy in the first place that’s all I’m saying.
And you commented so it’s not against the law for me to disagree, I’d didn’t mean to come across as rude.
To be frank, i don't believe you when you say you didn't intend to come across as rude, your reply was nothing but. It was literally just rude, you didn't just disagree. You don't even sound apologetic starting your reply with "first of all" and only adding like half a sentence at the VERY end of your reply saying "i didn't mean to come across as rude". You came across confrontational rather than apologetic. You're completely missing my point on Heesu being asleep, read what you just said, it is BECAUSE Seungwon has those feelings that it is wrong for him to go out of his way to get Heesu on his shoulder. Heesu hasn't expressed interest in him TO HIM yet (WE know Heesu is all ga-ga about Seungwon saying he's special, but Seungwon thought he said something wrong), he is pulling his sleeping crush onto his shoulder while the established context is that he doesn't feel that he's made any progress with Heesu. Lets switch the situation up a bit, if a girl fell asleep in class and a dude held her hand while she was sleeping because he likes her, would that be okay to you?
He isn’t holding his hand! That’s the thing! It shows heesu swaying back and forth and laying on him for a second before he goes to the other guy. There’s nothing wrong with him on either of the guys shoulder. I’m disagreeing by you calling it creepy, and the guy only glared he didn’t pull him off the other guy. The other guy is trying to help the situation and pushes him over.
It isn’t creepy. Even if the chanyoung didn’t want heesu on him and pushed him away then, it wouldn’t matter.
I really wasn’t trying to come across rude at first then you got all pissy shmm. So of course I’m not gonna be a saint when replying.
Sorry! I pressed the wrong button! I was meant to press the thumbs down one!
First, they are all friends there and he knows 'the guy that has a crush on him' so its not as creepy as your making it seem. If he did NOT know the dude, then yeah, it would creepy, but they are friends hun,
Your thinking too uch into it and me saying this isnt being rude, you posted what you thought here, right? Im just posting what i think too. And i think your thinking way too much into it. Just saying.
Wait, scratch that. I am being rude. You calling it creepy is over board. Go read something else if you dont like the way the author wrote this story. Simple. No need to spread your negative vibe around here.
Byeeee~(⌒▽⌒)
You saying that isn't rude, the way you presented what you were saying is, you literally just did the same thing. I have no problem with people disagreeing, go ahead and say you disagree and thumbs down, but when you two make a scene in the process is where it gets ridiculous and you make an ass of yourselves.
The hand is relevant, you're really splitting hairs. The concept is pretty easy to understand, you don't touch someone you are crushing on with romantic intent unless you know they're open to your feelings. If you think it isn't creepy, ask the people around you how they'd feel if they woke up with their head on your shoulder and found out you put it their with those intentions. The ones who're open to a relationship with you wont care while as the ones who view you as nothing more than a friend will be creeped out that you put them in that position. Idc if you agree, tbh, it's a pretty logical statement. You can think what you want, but so far you haven't said anything to change my mind, all you've done is spam "i disagree" with an attitude. If you're done, why're you still here?
Also, you bringing up that they're friends isn't an argument. I had said everything i said with that knowledge in mind... It's like, no shit they're friends and he knows him, now that you're done stating basic facts that everyone was replying while knowing, do you have a valid counter to anything i say, or are you going to continue doing what Limabean is doing by telling me i'm wrong and reading too much into because that's how you feel? Idc if you feel like that, what i'm saying is a statement of logic, you saying "well i don't think so" doesn't change my mind. As i said to Limabean, it's a pretty basic concept, you don't touch someone you have feelings for unless you know they're open to your feelings. If i woke up and found out one of my friends had put me in a position that had me physically touching them and i found out they secretly liked me, but i didn't feel the same for whatever reason, i'd feel awkward and wouldn't want to be vulnerable around them again. I wouldn't be a DICK to them, but i WOULD make it clear that i'm not interested in them like that and that i'd rather they just ask next time they decide to do something like that.
Irrelevant*
He didn’t pull heesu onto himself, the other guy pushed him so you’re entire argument is invalid. Because he didn’t touch anyone forcefully.
I’m not done because you keep replying.
Ugh, i had to write 3 responses to what you said because you decided to split SO much shit into two different replies, try condensing next time? In response to THIS^ reply, no. I'm not sure where you get off blowing what i said out of proportion, but it wasn't a particularly "negative" comment, i just said it feels off and that i'm not sure about how to feel about it... I didn't write my comment for you or anyone else, i wrote it because i wanted to express my thoughts on the 2 chapters. I love how you mention "if you don't like the way it's written" like i've even talked about the story in that comment, i was talking about how that specific scene and the manipulation is starting to make me uncomfortable, pretty light thing to say. Rather than telling me to read something else, which makes no sense since i actually like this manhwa, why don't uou stop reading the comments since you can't handle other opinions. You're the only one who "hates" anything here, so i think it's YOU who needs to make a change, not me. Not that i value your spiteful advice enough to take what you say seriously anyways.
Also you’re the one who brought up the hand holding situation if you forgot, and that would be by force. If he had grabbed heesu himself sure that’s be showing possession which he doesn’t have a right to do. But this is a story and author didn’t put this in to be “creepy”. If heesu didn’t want to lay on the guy, when he woke up it would have shown his thoughts by how he didn’t want that to happen. Sheesh.
Ok you’re the obvious person who can’t handle us disagreeing with you bc you’re gettinf so mad shmmm. We just disagreed with you and told you why. You’re the one who continued it by fighting with us. Idiotic. And I’m gonna continue because you started being rude, and I won’t give you any satisfaction for being an asshole.
He didn't physically pull Heesu onto him, what i mean, and i know you know what i mean because i've said this already, is that he arranged for it to happen by glaring at Chanyoung. Heesu ended up on his shoulder because he wanted him there, not for any orher non-romantic reason. Not sure why you're pretending you don't understand what i'm saying. Regardless of if you agree, you understand my viewpoint, i've been pretty thorough in explaining. Heesu is on Seungwon's shoulder because Seungwon has feelings for him and wanted him on his shoulder, this isn't okay since he was already sleeping on Chanyoung's shoulder. He was moved BECAUSE of Seungwon's romantic intent. Neither Chanyoung or Seungwon think Heesu likes Seungwon yet, the limit to their interference should be at physical contact, even if you're trying to help two people get together you don't force romantic contact.
Sure, whatever. I had said you should go anyways.
Again, he DID force the situation to happen, it is the same thing. He could've just left Heesu there, Heesu was moved directly because Seungwon wanted him to be. Doesn't matter that Chanyoung pushed him, that's such a weak argument.
Anyways, i'll let you respond one more time and then i'm blocking you, i wont respond to what you say, i just dont want you writing comments about how i blocked you because i didn't want to hear your opinion or some shit. I'm blocking you because you've been nothing but rude and you just keep spaming the same argument at me that literally just doesn't counter anything i said.
He didn’t imply it at all, he just glared. The other guy choose on his own accord, and it’s the same way. Changyoung doesn’t have feelings for heesu, but it’s almost implied the rest of them think heesu has feelings for him. So having him on him might make it uncomfortable.
And my point is (since you can’t seem to comprehend it): it’s not creepy and you read way to far into it. It’s not that deep. Chill.
He didn’t force changyoung to move heesu. So you’re argument is invalid.
Me rude? It’s like you can’t read your own responses.
Where was i rude? Point it out.
I've been plenty patient with both of you. I haven't called you names and all i've said is that you're being rude. What?
You just got defensive because i said you're being rude, me saying you're being rude isn't me being rude.
When I told you I didn’t mean to come across as rude, you literally wrote a whole paragraph telling me why my apology wasn’t good enough for.
You didn’t listen to anything I said we both repeated ourselves over and over because that’s all you seemed to know how to do.
You accused me of trying to fight you and being rude by disagreeing with you.
Your opinion was posted online. People are going to disagree with you and tell you why, just grow up and move on.
Also, Chanyoung pushed Heesu BECAUSE of Seungwon, also, no there is no "understanding that Heesu like Seungwon between the 3 of them"... The whole point of their collab is to GET Heesu to like him, what?Chanyoung's thoughts when he pushes Heesu are about Seungwon's glare and that Heesu should've fallen on Seungwon's shoulder. It's specifically, explicitly because Seungwon wants him there.
He WANTS him there, but he does not tell changyoung to push him over or do it himself. All he does is glare, he probably would have just been a little bit grumpy if he hadn’t pushed him over.
Changyoung does it himself. In the end he decided for himself and wasn’t forced to do anything.
Yeah, because your intent clearly wasn't to apologize, lol. You're bringing up that whole "people are going to disagree with you" strawman again, i'll take it tjat you have no valid argument to put behind you literally telling me i'm wrong and "looking into it". I said you were rude because of the way you were talking, i've explained this. what do you mean i "didn't listen to what you said", i responded to literally everything. Okay, i'm done. Try not to get so triggered by someone's opinion next time. Again, idc if you disagree, feel free, just don't be so pissy about it.
this comment thread is getting really reaaally long hahahaha just saying ╮(￣▽￣)╭
haven't really finished reading this comment thread but from your main/first comment ( btw I ain't here for a fight or anything just sharing a thought also hahaha) I guess i could say we're culturally different...? idk cause in our country when kids have a crush, and especially those who are very brave, they try to want to have a "moment" with them. like making eye contact/being able to hold a conversation with them/just being able to be with them/brushing past a corridor or just a typical sleep in the shoulder.
i know their objective was to make heesu like seungwon and all but i guess this was just a "moment". a selfish moment for seungwon cause he reaaally likes heesu but then he fell to chanyoung's shoulder hahaha and if all your friends know you like a person, they'll try their best to give you guys an alone time, even if it was just a a little push to the side hahaha and besides the only reason he glared is because Seungwon knows who heesu likes. other people have diff reactions when knowing their crushes' crush either get depressed/jealous/etc.
though i do KIND OF understand your point a bit like "dude? the hell, just let him sleep." hahahah
though i feel like the author/artist made it like that for a comedic effect before giving us a romantic/cute scene which makes it all the more better cause if you imagined just a typical cute scene vs you laughing then after a few seconds it makes your heart swell for the adorableness i guess the author's choice is more better
COMEDIC SCENE + CUTE SCENE = BETTER REACTION from readers (i guess)
but maybe the reason you didn't like it is because we're culturally(?) different since in our country
it's ok like an old man seeing them would be like "ah youth~, good times :)"
Also for Heesu's part when he wakes up it would be fine since in his view they are just friends (with a little pinch weird-not-sure-romantic-feelings) and if you saw the panels after the shoulder moment it looked like they were okay with it hahaha omg i kind feel like i read into it too much ahahahaha oh welp :) hope my message came across
Yeah, i can actually see your point about it maybe being a culture thing. Also, no need to worry, i read the entire thing and you were very mild mannered, i really don't have an issue with people disagreeing, they were just rude about it. You were fine. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
It's good that he seems fine with it, i was expecting he'd wake up embarrassed, though i guess he doesn't know how Seungwon feels. The issue isn't on Heesu's part, it's on Seungwon's, is what i think. He knows his feelings and still touched someone who, as far as he knows, isn't into him with romantic intent. An innocent touch is one thing, but he had romantic intent behind his actions. It's like, as a gay man, if i go into a men's changing room and look around while changing, it's fine, but if i'm looking around at a specific person because i like them and they find out the intent, they have a right to be creeped out because i invaded their privacy. My emotions don't justify my action. It's the same concept here, only a different scenario. But it's fine if you don't agree.
Ah~ I understand it much better now when you added that changing room scenario hahaha well if you put it that way I guess i could agree that it was creepy since that type of thing did happen to me once just different circumstance *Nods* <(︶︿︶)>
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(づ￣ ³￣)づ he was asleep, yeah, but he put him over on his other friend shoulder.....they did not freakin rape him in his sleep. You make it sound like they rape him or fondle him or somethin! If it was that then HECK YEAH! I GET YAH! but no.......he let him rest on his shoulder.....BOOOM! The world is going to end because of it.
Anyway, ill leave you guys to argue pointlessly, 19 days just updated so fuck you guys! Im here for love! Not fighting
Nobody cares what you have to say at this point, you made such an ass of yourself that you could've not responded and it would've spread less negativity. I didn't "make it seem like he was raped", you just have nothing relevant to say and you can't argue my point so you're trying to be petty and get in a jab and go. So annoying. If you were "here for happiness" you wouldn't have bothered with these two shitty replies. I'll just continue to take you in the least serious way possible. Okay, bye now. O/
Lol! this went on for a while. It was over something kinda stupid in my opinion. Anyway imma leave. (●'◡'●)ﾉ
This is from a year ago
Well duh!! Haha! I was laughing way too hard while reading you guys go back and forth over something so stupid!
Idk if you're aware, but you're being rude. My topic isn't stupid and your opinion isn't the arbiter of what is and isn't valid or a good thing to discuss. The way you're emphasising how stupid you viewed this makes it come across like you're trolling and trying to get a rise. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Oh! Well, excusssssssssee meeee. I’m sorry if I came off as rude but it seem kinda dumb to me how you guys were fighting over some something that could have easily been solved! (￣∇￣")
(I’m not talking about the story I’m talking about the whole who’s being rude argument.)
And I’m not trolling if anything I’m just giving my opinion! My plan was to send it and that be it. I hope you guys are cool now, I doubt it though... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
You're excused, now if you're done you can be on your way as apparently planned. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Gotcha, m8! I’ll see you guys, in laterrr!
ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ
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I mean, it looks like he's got an understanding of what Jinwoo has to deal with during the fantasies and now he's serious about trying to find a solution, that's nice. He also still forced himself of Jinwoo, again. This time he's going all the way... Good thing the eggplant is there to lighten the mood and take away from what is happening... Nice damage control. It's the same shit, Sangtae getting horny looking at Jinwoo and taking advantage, only this time he plans to actually try to help him later... After he rapes him. Fuck it, it's the 1st step he's taken this ENTIRE manga, maybe it'll lead, VERY far into the future, to him developing morals and properly apologizing/treating Jinwoo right? We'll see.
I'm sorry about the downvote! I wanted to do the opposite T_T
It's okay :^)
I think this is the first time I agree with your comment (not very good in English XD)
I've been saying the same thing literally since i started reading this. My opinion hasn't changed, it's only been reinforced with each chapter. But thanks? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
This is the first time I see your comment. I always saw only you responding to others that's why I said .. It was no offense or anything, I just agree with you.
Okay :^)
Look at Bimblefrog, Yumiswife, Clouds and Xin going around forming echo chambers in other peoples' comments, so cringey. Lol. We get it, you're all of the hivemind concept that Hyesung is a "victim" and Dojin is -whiny voice- "literally hitler, like, omg", but don't spam your damn opinions everywhere...
Not sure why this was even up for debate? Though i'm glad to see more people realize he's an ass now. You can give the whole "well look at it from his point of view" argument, but it doesn't matter, HE chose HIMSELF to date a gay who is "in the closet", he just got impatient and decided to do something that could've caused irreversible damage. Outing him to his dad was just disgusting, heteros might not understand, but coming out to your parent is fucking terrifying. It took me years. And i KNEW my mom was okay with gays, she had a gay best friend... There is just a lot of fear. And that's just in America, they're presumably in Asia... He could've been disowned, he could've literally destroyed a family. When he chose to date a closeted gay, he took up the burdens, if he couldn't handle that he should've broken up with him and found someone more compatible. The whole "he's just giving advice, trying to help the uke" argument is ridiculous as well, he JUST went in for a kiss after placing all those doubts in the uke's head... He's clearly still interested. That is why. He's done the OPPOSITE of help, he outed him to his parent and now he lives in mental anguish thinking he's responsible for his father's accident. Sure, you could say it'll help in the long run, because his dad HAPPENED to be okay with it and didn't disown his son, but it's sure as hell not something I'D ever thank the guy for if it happened to me. I'd never talk to him again. If the ex IS in love, he let his own self interests come before caring for his partner. I can't even say it's love, tbh. How do you love someone and out them to their parent, it seriously disgusts me. I feel nauseous right now thinking about it. I can sympathize with people in his situation, but that's why you don't date closeted guys unless you're the type that can handle it.
I agree with most of what you are saying but it seems to me that the ex was just “leaving his options open, and closing his ex lovers” by outing him. He wanted to make it so he would not dare have another relationship with a guy while he was away and he could come back anytime and “pick up the pieces” but now that his old flame is happy, and not with him, then he wants to destroy his heart so he can be there to “fill it”. This EX is an ass and a manipulative jerk with only his self interest at heart. I am rooting for the happy couple but sometimes it is hard to handle the pressure of uncertainty in this type of relationship with a person that has a history. Sure worries will be there but he needs to have more faith. His lover is obviously seriously in for the long haul. I hope he realizes that in time.
I can't agree with your whole "everything was intentional, exactly as planned" theory, he was clearly very irritated/upset when he outed him to his dad. It looked more like an emotional outburst rather than a calculated step. I think he's an asshole, but that's it, you're diving into a whole other TIER and i don't really see much evidence that he is as you described. I think he really does care for the uke in his own way, his facial expressions and dialogue imply this, he just needs to learn HOW to love someone, to NOT to hurt them like that. Why would he take precautionary steps to keep him from other guys anyways? From his PoV the uke is "a coward". Idk, a lot of things just don't add up the way you described them.
Although i DO think what happened just now was intentional, he's still interested in the uke so he placed doubts in his head to try and get him back.
Yes! He is such an asshole! I can't even describe the rage I felt when he outed Aki to his dad, if someone ever did that to me, I don't think I could ever forgive them.
Coming out is something very personal, and who and when you want to come out to, are for you to choose, not for someone else to blurt out without any consideration.
And just like you, I cried when I came out to my best friend, I was so nervous I wanted to throw up, because even if the person you are coming out to seems to be ok with other LGBTQ+ people (like my best friend :) ), there's still always that possibility of rejection, that no matter how small, can still make you panic.
Yes! I came out to my mom even after my friends! I'm not sure how i would've handled it if someone had outed me to her.
I admire your braveness, I still haven't come out to anyone in my family, my whole family is very religious (catholic) and against LGBTQ+, so I'm terrified of doing so because there is a real threat of getting pushed out of the family or just being completely invalidated, so I'm just gonna hide it as much as I can.
Shit, that's rough! I know your situation, but i really hope that one day you'll be able to tell them! Idk how old you are, but maybe when you move out? That way they'll have time to process it and you can try and win them over if anything happens? I mean, i don't imagine it's possible to hide forever, they'll eventually wonder why you've never had a gf/bf (not sure of your gender). Just try and be brave when the time comes! Maybe bring a friend?
Firstly, I want to thank you for commenting and replying to my thoughts. I really appreciate the dialogue. Now, I freely admit that I read A LOT of yaoi so I may have gotten my recollection of this story confused with another, and for that, I apologize. I will reread to make sure I feel the same way. It’s just this latest chapter made me angry and feel like the EXs moves were too damn calculated and maybe I just read into it too much. But as far as the more serious topic you are talking about with coming out, though I cannot directly relate, I have two kids that I have constantly told that it doesn’t matter to me who they are or who they love, all that matters is that they are happy and the person treats them well. I believe in accepting everyone regardless of gender and teach my kids to be just as open minded and accepting of others equally, as I do. I would hope that my children know that if They came out to me that I would love them just as much regardless and give them a hug and be happy for them. I wish I could do that for you and tell you it would be ok, it will be tough, but I have faith in time you will gather friends to support you and one day conquer that obstacle. I know if you were my kid or friend, and I have many that have come out to me, I would treat you the same. I wish you the best.
No problem :^D And i hope Andreitta is able to come out too one day. I've got to say, it's really great that you're passing your "let everyone be themselves" ideology on, thank you!
the ex is a prime example of an domestic abuser. The outburst and his continuous need to demean and lower Aki's self esteem is more than just being an asshole, it's finding power in his narcissistic love of Aki and disregarding Aki's autonomy and believing his decisions are the best for their relationship or lack of.
I can't agree, there isn't anything implying he's mistreated him before the outing scene and he seemed to do that out of irritation rather than with any ulterior motives. I'll agree he's an asshole, but that's it, you're going into detail on him being more evil than the manga has even implied. He's just an asshole, das it. He's an asshole, so he's not below manipulating the uke into getting back with him.
I totally get you.. In ch 3 I thought maybe cause of the insecurity of both and communication problem they separated.. but knowing what he said and hurt and made the MC guilty as hell nahh he is a complete crapbag.. First he leaves and now that he sees the MC is finally is happy and changing with somebody he gets fucking jealous.. Jealous Jerkk!!
Yeonduk just said "it's not like i mind doing this", that seems like a weird thing to say to your boyfriend. I think Noel is just hitting on him and getting jealous over Skylar, i don't think it's that they're together yet. That line of dialogue seems to imply that Yeonduk was being hit on and was taking it well, that's it. Unless that WAS them getting together? I guess we'll see?
No they are not together but as u can see skyler is in love with yeoduk ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I mean, i dislike the way she is acting rn, but that's it. She had a right to be upset that her best friend thought he was dating her bf, so i didn't blame her for her initial outburst, it's the CONTINUED behavior that's annoying. She pissed me off at the beginning of this chapter, this is true, but towards the end you could see that she has some character development coming as she is talking to him again. She'll get over her sense of betrayal soon, i bet. Remember how happy/excited she was thinking that Junyoung was dating her brother before she found out Junyoung thought he was her bf? She wants her brother to be happy and she cares about Junyoung. She even got mad on her brother's behalf when she found out Junyoung broke up with him. Only a matter of time before she realizes that nothing REALLY happened, there was no ACTUAL betrayal. Anyways, that nickname scene was SO fucking cute, sweet jesus! I knew Junyoung would blush, but then it showed him blush too and i was like "aww".
hmm Shihoon is his brother, that was the whole plot twist a few chapters ago (mari was never dating his brother btw, it was just misunderstanding by Junyoung)
her brother* lol
I know :^)
oh sorry my laptop didnt load your whole comment,, my bad :/
No, you're fine!
Rape is rape. Sexual harassment is a broad term encompassing many different sexual terms, it isn't the term "rape", rape is a form of sexual harassment. Saying "sexual harassment and rape are the same" is just so... You're saying that any sexual terms that fall under the umbrella term "sexual harassment" are "rape". Molestation is rape then, sexual assault is rape then... You're literally just wrong. At most, molestation and sexual assault are what happened here, not rape, when the penetration was done there was explicit consent. Molestation is touching against their will, sexual assault is performing sexual acts against their will, but only once the sexual acts include penetration is it rape. So a forced handjob is sexual assault, not rape. Forced fingering is rape, forced oral is rape, you're penetrating them. Get it? As far as whether or not this was molestation/sexual assault, it's debatable. There is a term, "dubious consent", for instances where consent wasn't said/expressed aloud, but was given. Situations like waking your bf up with a blowjob, you're dating, you know your bf loves your blowjobs so you know you've got consent, your bf wakes up and expresses pleasure at what is happening. Dubious consent. There is a pre-established bond that allows for certain liberties in this specific situation. Another is spontaneous sex, you meet a stranger and the two of you share a heated stare, you both know what that look means so without saying anything you both go somewhere private and fuck like rabbits. In this situation there is a wordless understanding between you two, consent wasn't said aloud, but was given. This manga gives a similar situation, there is only one reason it is debatable on whether or not dubious consent was given, the uke's dialogue implies irritation. If you were to take this at face value, it's molestation/sexual assault, but there is definitely nuance here. He seems to just be in denial, you can see that there is a wordless understanding between them, the uke is aware he likes being bit, the seme is aware as well of the uke's sexual preference and the uke's physical queues imply he is enjoying what is happening. The seme even says "why are you pretending you don't like this" and "you always act angry after we do these things, even though you felt good". The pretty clear implication here is that the uke's "irritation" isn't actually irritation, it's just his personality. He just acts that way and doesn't mean it, this is supported by the entirety of the uke's dialogue. He has prickly inner and outer dialogue early on when Jinno is involved and then he starts to soften and admit his feelings. You could say he is tsundere. My opinion is that it was dubious consent givin by a tsundere, the evidence seems pretty clear.
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They're the "disgusting" ones... How do you go and jokingly tell your gf about someone's confession. He took it seriously, but made light of it.
Jinwoo isn't into Sangtae and all of this has literally been torture to him. He didn't want it.. He DOESN'T want it, at least not yet. But, since this is a yaoi he will eventually... evidence: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/man_of_a_virtue/uu/iur_chapter-16/pg-7/, http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/man_of_a_virtue/uu/iur_chapter-16/pg-8/, http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/man_of_a_virtue/uu/iur_chapter-16/pg-9/
Sangtae admitting he's been "obsessed" with Jinwoo since high school which is why he started to torment him daily in the 1st place: http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/man_of_a_virtue/uu/iur_chapter-16/pg-16/ all the way up to the end of the chapter.
Sangtae was content with just bullying him at first, though "bullying" sounds innocent and childish (he clearly crossed the line into harassment awhile ago as we see Sangtae rub it in Jinwoo's face at the beginning that he got credit for his work), but the instant he realized Jinwoo literally couldn't help getting hard while within a certain distance of him he couldn't help but get horny and take advantage because he'd been obsessed since high school. I'm glad the manhwa is getting more explicit in showing this.
Yumiswife, how long and under how many comments do i have to ignore you before you stop talking to yourself? All you do is throw petty insults, you never have anything relevant to say and for someone talking about "easily refutable arguments", you've sure as hell never given anything to actually think about. No, i haven't considered i'm "batting for the wrong team", i got one look at your side, saw the blatant ignoring of facts, lack of logic, twisting of events and bitchy, cultist attitude apparent in the way you fuckers go about your business and decided "wow, what cunts. I'm glad that literally EVERYTHING they're saying is either verifiably wrong or a very cringy reach for a dark interpretation of what is literally always a cute or light hearted scene." You guys will point out shit like Dojin buying baby booties and be like "i could fucking kill him right now, like, omg, look at him trying to trap Hyesung with a symbol of the baby! -REET!-", get fucked. Here, have my attention. While you're at it, why don't you tell me where the alter is so i can sacrifice some blood and join your cult if i change my mind. Oh yeah, you're blocked. As for right now, I don't like you in that way, sorry. Will you stop fixating? My comment ( http://www.mangago.zone/home/mangatopic/3226692/) was about you harassing people, yours is just a shallow jab because you're petty and dislike me. Again, no one cares.