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As if you don't realize people can react to fiction in a way they'd not react to real life. As someone who has worked with people with domestic violence, drug addiction, abandoned kids, etc, there is a way you deal with compassion. But that doesn't mean you point out where they are shits, themselves. We all have shitty sides. We may be kind about X and do good about Y, and then be selfish about Z or bigotted about ABC. That;s humans. I can feel sorry for Theo and still think she's done her brother a disservice, that she's only thought about herself and not his suffering.

Thanks on your input. I put that “this is just a manga” because I’ve had my fair share of people saying “calm down, this is just fiction” so I felt the need to beat them to it. And I am self aware that people can react differently irl as oppose to how they act online or react to fictional things. However, you must also realize that their are some who sadly don’t and are rude either way. There are people who are incentive to those types of topics and I’ve encountered my fair share of those people, whether it was directed towards me or I just happened to witness it. On another note, I rarely speak out about these things and express my disappointment on this website, I just read to many of those types of comments calling her a bitch and it got to me. Doesn’t mean that I see Theo as a complete angel.

And guess what: your comment will not change their minds if they are that hard-hearted. :) I think it's normal without backstory to judge solely on what you see on the page. And let's face it, we do that in real life. With rare exceptions, we judge based on what we see hear superficially, when we don't know all the struggles of a person. Say, we see a report on a child rapist. We aren't about to have huge compassion right off. But if we hear about how they were starved, beaten and raped by a psycho parent, we feel compassion, even if we realize what they did requires we punish them.

Theo is being unfair to Craig, but now we understand the WHY--which we did not have before. We didn't know, so we could only see that she was being selfish and mean, especting the brother to cater to her when he was basically in a life-or-death, working all the time situation with no hope. If my brother was working his fingers to the bone to provide for my food, shelter and schooling while fending off loan sharks, I'd like to think I'd want to forgive him for whatever he di din the past, cause, honestly, he could just abaondon me and move to another country to get away from loan sharks. But he sticks it out and cares for me? That's a brother trying to atone. That deserves brownie points. We see that and we see that they are both traumatized in their ways, Theo perhaps moreso due to youth and abandonment issues.

Theo is selfish, but so are mostly all kids. Theo is afraid of being abaindoned, but so are most kids who have gone through something that puts their security at risk. I had an absolute terror of being orphaned as a kid....it was like nightmare number one. And I think I see that in Theo: Craig is all she has and Craig is also someone she has a grudge over. Push. Pull. I get it.

You do realize that I’m not arguing that she isn’t selfish or that Craig is in the wrong, right? My comment was directed towards the people who are being extra harsh and insensitive with their words. I’m fully aware that it’s not gonna change minds, just speaking my mind like everyone else. If my comment was about the story and explaining the situation then I would agree with your statement(s). I agree with most of the rational explanations on this comment section of the manga, just not the ones that are blatantly calling her a bitch and saying they don’t care about the back story. It’s those I have a problem with. It’s always agree to disagree in these comment sections anyways. Just want to be clear on that. Anyways, I wasn’t being sarcastic, seriously thanks on your input.

Yeah, I get that. I understood your frustration was with those using harsher terms.

you are truly a despicable human being. the fact that some people that look at horrific issues and turn the blind eye and have a rebuttal is truly beyond me, even if someone's nice and baked a cake for their neighbor but murdered someone or raped their child, doesn't make whatever they did any better, it doesn't change the fact they chose to do something horrid. please change your profession, I think it's getting to you.

I'm speaking reality. People turn a blind eye to things all the time. I'm arguing that Theo is wrong in her self-centeredness, but it's understandable at the same time given trauma. You disagree with this?

wow. you know, a river isn't just denial; may God be with you is all I am going to say.

No denial here. Just reality. And God is very much with me, thanks.

How many chapters there are? ^^

there 35 chapters in total and 3 extras.

Thank you!! Yr first point really puts my mind at ease.

I think it’s a ridiculous idea that just because Haero left Don, Don was suppose to remained steadfast single and faithful for Haero’s sake for these 10 yrs.Haero truthfully deserves never to have Don’s love again after the way he treated him, and even while fictional situations like this minus the blackmail happen between ex’s who are partnered. While Don doesn’t love Nami, what people are not understanding is that even in marriage to something as small as a weeklong relationship the point of romance is creating a partnership and trust at the end of day. What Nami and Don have is a partnership despite the lack of romance. And Don broke that trust and respect within said partnership this is what he’s guilty of. Nami did not take advantage of Don, she never has. She made a suggestion to a man who was down on his luck and recommended that she be with him for the sake of mending his broken heart. Of course Nami got something out of it, she got to be closer to the man she loves, however she’s not stupid. She knows she is his rebound and even now still is. Of course she is naive to believe that Don will love her but having spent so many years together is it terrible for her to think that Don taking comfort in their partnership could lead to love. I think when people have this idea of love it’s means passionate,grand gestures, and falling into love with all the heartache revelations, and sweaty palms. In reality love could simply be turning around and realizing you’ve been in love with your childhood friend for years because they just get you after a random conversation, or the person who’s a good listener the cubicle over, or someone that just makes you feel safe. Nami was trying to show Don in her own way by just being there for him and his family that she could provide that. Again you could take the route and say well she was manipulating him and taking advantage of his emotional vulnerability, but for 10 years would you do this for someone you didn’t genuinely care about? It should be noted that Don isn’t gay, he’s possibly bisexual pan demi or whatever so he still had a chance for a “normal” life after Haero left him- the whole point of Haero’s disappearing act. Nami provides that as well and she knows this, she even said as much when she suggested they be together, an opportunity to ward off criticism and ensure the status quo of a good son who will provide grandchildren and a “good” reputation. In reality Nami has given more of herself to this relationship emotionally than Don, but they do get something out of it together. Nami gets the man and a chance at a standard life, Don also gets the same but an opportunity to get over Haero without having to search far. The only wrench in the whole situation is Don never bothered to properly get over Haero which is no fault to Nami because she didn’t force her feelings on Don or force him to love her. But she did expect him I’m sure to make some sort of attempt which he clearly never did and maintain the respect for her that’s had for so long. I pity Nami not because she loves Don but because she loves a man who despite all her efforts doesn’t fully respect her. The whole thing of Nami should walk away and such wasn’t necessary until Haero showed up again. Again as much romance is nice within a marriage and a relationship is a new phenomenon. Before as I stated it was a partnership at its core whether for the sake of economic advancement, political advantage, and just simply relieving loneliness. Don would have been lonely without Haero, his crushing responsibilities, and dropping out of sports. Nami was a familiarity that provide comfort to Don so he’s held on to it for so long as a lifesaver. This latest chapter in him talking Haero further establishes how important Nami has been for Don in even trying to live without Haero. This is all the more reason to see fault with Don for his disrespect in cheating on Nami n

I would give you ten likes if only i could find the button. Nicely put!

I would have sent you ten likes if only i could find the button. Nicely put!

The comment and reply are way too long lol I’m lazy to even read.

Same lol

Wow! First of, I’m more than impressed at how long your entry was! I get that you know what Don did to Nami was wrong! And like a lot of people, I hate cheaters but think about it. Nami never gave Don the space to get over Haero before giving him the proposition of getting together! In my opinion, if Nami gave Don more time to think his thoughts through, then maybe they would be in a happier state! Just saying ok? I respect what you said!

I also agree with what you said. I see both sides of the story, my comment would have been way to long if I tried to make a point in explaining both sides so I stuck with what’s been happening a lot in yaoi and shoujo mangas, so thank you for posting this, I truly appreciate it. My post may have seemed like I was siding with Don and Haero, but by no means do I believe what they’re doing is right, it’s just human to follow your gut. I however still do not pity Nami because as I stated she knew what she was offering, and that is the point you made, that of support and a possible partnership. She played a huge part in preventing Don from completely falling apart. Again I really appreciate your comment, as opposed to someone just saying “Don is a dick” or “Nami is a bitch”.

To be fair, as far as we know all she did was offer her support right off the bat. Just to let Don know that he can depend on her. How long Don wanted to wait to get over Haero was all up to him. And correct me if I’m wrong, they just started off as friends and her supporting him then he decided to return her feelings. Again as far as we know, no one forced him into a relationship with Nami especially not right away. He probably didn’t want to allow himself to get over Haero, and by that I mean with everything that was going on, he probably felt like he didn’t have the time to think about it. Sorry for the long comments.

And also to add, though he might not have been forced, he may have felt pressured. Just a thought.

I do agree that they did start off as friends! But like you said, she gave her offer right of the bat and although Don could have chosen to take up her offer anytime, I feel like she is being a little insensitive to state her offer right off the bat! I mean, it is not a bad thing to be so motivated to do such things but sayig it right off the bat just comes of as insensitive to me! She could have waited a little for him to calm down instead of giving the proposition inmediately! But just to be fair, I am grateful to her because she helped Don when he needed help! But I am still feeling a little salty of her actions!

has the comment had said, she know what she get herself into and she know Don love that man that just left him. yet she had no problem to just jump on him right after he left, how convenient of her.
when she admit that she wasted her time for nothing on Don - she was right. you can't force someone to love you, if someone see you has friend after 5 years, then she should have accepted it and leave. hell even after 2 years she should have leave, I"m she notice.

The conversation is still ongoing? To be honest, it’s not Nami fault. She just wanted to help Don while fulfilling her own desire too. And who knows that Don would be this faithful? Because some people might have give up and love Nami already. She helped him and stay by his side when he’s in his weakest and miserable state. It’s like some other manga that show; the supporting character chasing after the main character who’s chasing after another main character that always run away from them. Seriously, guys, no one deserves cruelty of that kind of love story (╬￣皿￣)凸

Nami was selfish has well, thinking that she can use this opportunity to get with someone she love one sided. and no just cause he was heart broken, don't give her the right to force her feelings on someone. and yeas Don didn't have to give her any feelings back, love dosn't work by forcing yourself on someone just cause you love them. Don don't own her anything, she the one who decided to stay with one sided love, while known so. and she admit it she was selfish.
she didn't helped him like she feed her own desire to him, helping him is staying his friend only and listen to him, AND NOT FORCE YOUR FEELINGS on him. that how you helped someone.
I say it again, she choose to stay by his side, then she got what was coming to her. she should have left after 2 years when she sew he dosn't love her back.

Nothing can change your point of view, I see ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ Whatever you see fit. Just know that everyone have their selfish side, so don’t say something that might hurt people that came and read your comments. Not that I want to lecture you or anything I just want to say that it might hurt someone who has gone through this... (￣ε(#￣)Σ

I read somewhere in the comments something that say something that I really agree: don't force your feelings on someone if you see they don't love you. you can try again going after them, but if they don't love you back after 2-3 years - then yeas, move on and give up on them! they not worth it." I really liked that comment. can't remember who it was. Nami is a good lesson to learn what not to do, even if you have a selfish side, you can always learn to be better and get over this side.

I don’t really see Nami force Don to love her though. About she wanted to marry? She didn’t know that Haero was back. Also she wanted to suicide? She was stupid at that time but was saved by Haero and didn’t force Don to take responsibility when she found out she have his baby.

No matter what all those years she stayed with Don and did so many things for him, she didn’t force Don to return her feelings. It was Don, who wanted to return her kindness back that got him through all those years. He even slept with her, don’t you see? ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ

I don’t see where she force him! Tell me!

Don’t waste your breathe. People want Don and Haero to blameless so they’ll be blameless. There’s nothing you can say to change their mind in acknowledging Nami is as much a victim as they are within this Greek tragedy.

Ikr? This story wasn’t intent to teach us how Nami force her love on someone or not. I think the three of them has their own selflessness and they are all a victim because of that. It’s not like Nami was wrong for doing something she wanted to do and could help Don at the same time. I don’t understand why people seeing her as the bad person here? (╬￣皿￣)凸 （￣へ￣）

SHE ADMIT IT HERSELF SHE FORCE HIM! read it again

Lol if I said, “I force you to write” do you think you can write if you don’t want to? You should read the whole damn story over again before arguing with me, brat. Be more realistic ┑(￣Д ￣)┍

honey I don't think you get how the world work, and yeas women can get anything if they really want. they can change a man to become the worse shit ever if they ever wanted too. they can do it.

Didn’t you see? She failed ┑(￣Д ￣)┍ what are you talking about, my friend? This is drifting apart from our argument, no? #－.－)

Umm, I thank you guys for being so passionate but can you take it somewhere else? This is giving me anxiety, go read some fluffy shounen ai together lol

I am doing it just now, haha. I don’t really care anymore. ٩(๑❛ᴗ❛๑)۶

Think he is actually the grandfathers lover! I wonder if Kiku is actually the grandfather of the friend with black hair.

Yeah the story would probably be something like they were lovers but then one of them had to get married, and him coming back to Shirou is the universe giving him a second chance to be with someone close to the grandfather ╮(￣▽￣)╭ and woah that never crossed my mind him being the friends grandad. Like maybe when Kiku leaves, Shirou will meet the friends grandpa and it’ll be Kiku. What do you think of the doctor? Idk I feel like the way they introduced him seems like he’ll play a role in something.

Thank u, I was more curious about lil bro but if hes not gonna have a story I'm dropping this ┗( T﹏T )┛

So glad he shut it down straight away instead of letting drag and fester for chapters and chapters! Woo!