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I'm so pissed! I followed this story since nearly it's beginning! lezhin is awful and it is their fault.

The author herself deiced to discontinue the series. Maybe she'll continue the series once the contract with Lezhin expires but that's not for sure.

*decided

same issue befall with Dolphin Fairy

Tbh I don't support the decisions the authors made. According to them they've had a problem with Lezhin for a long time but if that's the case then why didn't they finish their stories in a proper way? There are enough authors who managed to do this. There was no need for a third season of Dolphin Fairy and Sadistic Beauty would've been finished months ago if she hadn't wasted so much time (she wrote 4 chapters about ONE threesome, added rapey-guy etc.).
I support the protest in general but to me these particular authors don't protest. They're not trying to change anything. They just gave up, hoping that changing the publisher will improve their situation which probably won't happen (just look at the Window to Window author). They'll still have to work long hours, they probably won't get paid better and the schedule will still be the same.
And they don't hurt Lezhin with it. They have hundreds of comics and manga, they don't care if a few artists decide to drop their comics. They can easily replace them with something else.
But they hurt their readers, their fans, and themselves with it. We paid for their comics and now we don't get a finished story? Why should I ever buy something from them again when I can't be sure that they'll finish what they started? I immediately dropped Dolphin Fairy when I saw the indefinite hiatus note.

TLDR how would you finish a series when youre in the blacklist ? in addition of not getting paid for the damned work.

These authors weren't on a blacklist and they were/are paid for their work. The payment problem was solved years ago and it was about the sales through a Chinese app. Neither Sadistic Beauty nor Dolphin Fairy even existed back then.
Right now they don't complain about not getting paid, they just want more money.

Lies.

how are you so sure about the situation they are in? making comics takes ALOT of time and ALOT of effort so if the author isn't able to continue making the comic with the wage they're living in then thats the decision they've come to. On Lezhin we pay 3 coins for each comic which equals about 0.88 USD PER EPISODE. NOT including any fees that are paid to lezhin for using that site. they're being paid pretty dirt cheap so I'm not at all surprised if the author didn't think it was worth in anymore.

Because they tweeted about it. They literally told us about their situation the whole time (Stone Henge deleted her account but she also tweeted about it).
And Sadistic Beauty was one of the most popular series they had. Dolphin Fairy was pretty popular when it was still ongoing as well. These creators earn a lot more than the minimum (roughly about $1870) and the minimum would already be enough to live in South Korea. That's the reason why they can afford to quit or go on an extended hiatus.

I only tell you what the creators told us.

even if the authors want to finish their work early... that's not possible since the number of chapters a series have is already in the contract and the whole plot for the season is already prepared beforehand. and also i think its impossible to continue the story on other company because lezhin have the rights for the story

in regards to payment, all artist are not being payed properly for their job.
1. when a manuscript is submitted they should get paid for it separately and not just from the coins
2. when the manuscript is late, their is an 8% penalty on their salary which is not included in the contract and is very unreasonable. the deadline is 2days before the release date but clearly uploading a chapter on their website need only short amount of time
3. their is a quota requirement on how much a chapter should earn, if the quota isnt reach, the artist will not get paid!! and is labeled as low income artist!!!
4. they are not getting paid in time
5. discrimination between male artist and female artist. male artist are treated well.... during meeting female artist bring their own foods even cafe!!!

and many more reasons.... I'm only stating base on my memory of what I've read in an article

just because the artist of sadistic beauty, dolphin fairy or any other big title authors earn a lot of money..... that doesn't mean they dont exprience problems in lezhin management. and all of this artist are friends, of course they will support each other

also, if the series isnt popular. lezhin will cut of the series short completely disregarding the contract..... really shows lezhin abuse in their power and intimidating the author just because they are women ...

2. There's a 3%-9% penalty which they promised to abolish this year.
3. That's not true. Every artists gets at least the minimum doesn't matter how much they earn. If their 30% share is more than the minimum they get paid the 30% share.
4. A few creators had problems with it but neither of these two has ever complained about it.
5. I don't know anything about it. I only saw them tweeting about sexist behaviour regarding other companies.

I'm not saying that they don't have problems. I'm saying that quitting and not trying to do anything to change the situation is something I don't support.

No, that's not how it is. They're guaranteed the possibility to publish a certain amount of chapters. If it's not popular they won't be able to publish more if the company doesn't allow it. But the creators should be able to finish their stories with the amount of chapters they were given.
And they can publish less chapters. That's exactly what they did. They decided to discontinue their comics=they publish less chapters than planned. So why did they not finish their stories then?

Oh, I forgot. They only have the exclusive rights for a certain amount of time (usually 3 years). They can publish the story wherever they want afterwards.

the creators never complain in public doesnt mean they dont have complain privately.. not all people want to tweet everything happening in their lives.....
there was an creator which is a winner of the lezhin comic contest complain that her work contract stated for 6months(?) was cut short of 30 chapters... so she had to redo her story

where did you read this rule?

Following. I'm so interested in this too. *0*

30 chapters is what you can of within 6 months when you release 1 chapter per week plus the chapters uploaded at the beginning. They can't cut it short of 30 chapters because that would mean that she didn't release anything.
And the creators did complain in public, they still do. The SB creator complained a lot about everything. I doubt that she wouldn't have complained about it if she'd had problems with it.

Several authors tweeted about it. Some might publish their work somewhere else (e.g. "What does the fox say") when the contract expires. Maybe we even see Sadistic Beauty again but it's not that easy to find a new publisher for a already ongoing story which has been on hiatus for a long time.

too long. bored. ヽ(；▽；)ノ~LOL.

*30 chapters is what you can write

How are they supposed to change the situation other than by quitting? Artists tried going on hiatus and arranging public protests and boycotts. Clearly it was not enough. Lezhin has no reason to change unless their bottom line suffers, and there's no way to affect that without also harming readers and fellow artists. And the problems at Lezhin go far beyond low pay, although that is bad enough with a minimum guarantee that is not an actual living wage when split between the multiple people needed to make weekly manhwa. They kept secret blacklists, have filed unjust lawsuits against their own artists for speaking about these issues, and have been systematically dismissing and putting down their female artists. These are the issues the artist of Sadistic Beauty seems most concerned with.

Having paid for every chapter I can't say I'm happy Sadistic Beauty is ending here, but I don't want to pay to read manhwa that was produced in a bad environment by an unhappy artist. Even putting aside concern for the artists as people, it's sure to negatively affect their work. I think a promise of more in three years time, whether it happens or not, is better than a garbage ending from an artist who forced themselves to draw it while enriching a company that doesn't respect them.

It's March. The protest started in December/January. That's not long enough. Not to mention that the way they protested was pretty chaotic. They only complained, sometimes about problems which were already solved, but didn't make any clear demands like "We want XY% of the profits" or "We want them to lower the amount of panels per chapter to XY" etc. They simply weren't organized enough to change anything in such a short time. Most of them only retweeted posts and articles but didn't actually do anything (most didn't even show up to the protest in front of Lezhin). Besides the SB author already posted months ago that she didn't want to work for Lezhin again.
And they don't have to pay everyone involved in creating the comic. Lezhin usually provides them with assistants. "Usually" because somebody also complained about Lezhin not assigning an assistant to them.

And again, changing publisher won't change anything. They won't get more money, they won't have less work, they'll still face sexism etc. Because this isn't a Lezhin problem, it's a Korean webcomic industry problem.

I'm running out of time (there's a lot of work waiting for me) which is why this is the last statement from my side:
I do think the creators who work for Lezhin have many good reasons to protest.
The share they get (30%) isn't high enough and the minimum guarantee should be at least a little bit higher. Publishing a chapter per week (often in full colour) is a lot of work and Lezhin should give them more time to prepare for serialisation or provide them with more assistants. It'd be better if they'd change their release schedule but because 1 chapter per week is the standard in the industry they probably wouldn't be able to compete with other sites.
I'm conviced that they could siginifcantly improve their work environment and get more money if they organized this protest better.
A well organizde protest in this case means you try to get as many creators as possible on your side. Best case scenario: More than half and many authors of popular, ongoing series.
You coordinate what you post on twitter, post everything in English, Korean and if possible in Japanese (the three languages Lezhin offers). Concentrate on the important things. Focus on what you want and why you want it, !make clear demands! and most importantly tell your readers that they should contact Lezhin.
If Lezhin still doesn't listen, set an ultimatum and if that doesn't help go on strike AT THE SAME TIME and maybe tell your readers not to buy anything from them.
You know, just do the same everybody else does when they want their protest to be successful.
The problem is, that the Lezhin authors did none of it. They didn't try to convince more authors to join them before they started to protest. They didn't have a list of clear demands and they complained about problems which were already solved. Most of their tweets were all over the place (e.g. The BJ Alex creator asked her fans to boycott Lezhin but at the same time she told them to buy her series from Lezhin. Makes you wonder if she even knows what the word boycott means)and were missing important information which is why many people misunderstood a lot.
And when they went on strike (not publishing new chapters) they didn't do it at the same time and they didn't have enough creators to hurt Lezhin financially.

The reason why I'm frustrated is not because I think the creators shouldn't protest. I was glad when they announced to protest. Comic/manga etc. artists all over the world have to face similar problems and most of them don't try to do anything against it (for different reasons) but these creators were willing to do something.
But now all I see is a huge mess and I doubt they will accomplish anything with it.

Wait...what chapter does dolphin fairy go on hiatus or end?? the English chapters are still ongoing, but was there an announcement for the Korean website?

Nevermind...I just answered my own question. I logged into the Korean
Lezhin, and after doing some digging (and google translate), I found the Korean version of Dolphin Fairy, 돌핀요정, which went on permanent hiatus after chapter 75.

For anyone else who might be reading, the second season with Ji Hunyoung and Beom (orange-haired glasses-wearing manager and the whale) seems like it ends at chapter 67, then season 3 with Rino (pink dolphin) and his partner starts at chapter 68. So at least we get full resolution of season 2 (I never liked Rino anyways, so this news isn't as bad as I thought it would be).

The artists' claims don't match up with what Lezhin put in their official statements. There's a full breakdown here: http://porifra.tumblr.com/post/168424485685/rough-summary-on-events-leading-to-lezhin-tax

The penalty for being ill is gone now, but a lot of the other problems remain. The artists have been treated incredibly badly, most notably one who was talked out of taking a break to get a checkup when she had cancer.

I know that some of them were treated badly and that they have incredible exhausting schedules. I also know about the creator with cancer.
I only corrected something in the post you quoted. Many people still think that "some creators weren't paid for oversea sales" means "no creator was paid for any sales in countries other than Korea" when only a few authors weren't paid properly for the sales through a Chinese app (even the artists say that).
There are many rumors going around and many people exaggerate what happens or happened (e.g. "one author was treated like this" = "every author is still treated like this") and I don't believe this helps anyone (the authors sale less, Lezhin earns less, we get fewer comics and nobody cares that this isn't just a Lezhin problem but a problem the entire industry has).

I simply don''t want people to spread false information. The situation as it is, isn't exactly perfect and they have some very good reasons to protest but their protest shouldn't be supported because of rumors and false information. Sooner or later it would backfire.

Alright, fair enough. Lezhin also claimed they'd paid everyone their outstanding foreign sales by fall 2017, but that contradicts a blog post one of the creators made in December: https://blog.naver.com/phm526/221156294140

I hope at least Lezhin's stopped asking the creators to do the editors' work for them.

and Welcome back! :)

At first, I was thinking "what you talking about?" Then I read the latest raws.