Dem Feler's Topics (915)

Og they were cheekbones.
Maybe the art style does it

Ahhh I see, thanks!

I was a bit curious because his other cheek didn't have it, and I was thinking it might be a blush or smth

I just want both tbh, she deserves to know what it feels like to be protected, but damn if I'm not fangirling like crazy when she's all badass on her own!

Men you sure forget easy, she is 12yrs you could said that at this age she should know who she can trust but you forgot how they raise her she only "knew" tthe ppl of the own house who mistreated her but just that one was nice with her, so of course she will trust her, Leslie doesn't have any self awerness of self trust (at the moment). It's normal she trusted her, it was a bad decision to leave her alone? OF COURSE BUT SHE IS A FUCKING KID!! I'm pretty sure you made a hella lot of stupid mistakes as a kind even as an adult

Yeas, yes yes she is 12. We are all stupid at 12. Get my point? She was stupid. What's so hard to understand about that?


Here's the convo so far...

Me: She's stupid
Sydus and others: blah blah blah she's 12
Me: My point, yes she's 12. Regardless of her age, she was stupid.

When will the cycle end?
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When will you guys see that this is just a story so you should stop putting yourselves in the shoes of this girl and say YoU mUsT hAvE mAdE mIsTaKeS tOo WhEn YoU wErE a ChILd!

Oh, and a piece of unsolicited advice, adding FUCKING to an adjective does not make your point more valid.
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Yep KittyCat we love badass characters but we also wanna spoil 'em. XD

Yep. She started smart but this time she was stupid (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

Thanks haha
I assume though we'll get a lot of hate for this xD

Y’all she is literally a child, not even a teenager. She’s not a 20-year old with life experience in her world, she was literally locked in a small space for the first 12 years of her life. When you encounter the one person who actually treated you like a human being throughout most of your life, you’re going to trust them. So no, she’s not stupid. Naive but not stupid.

Omfg she is only a 12 year old child-

Ahahaha she was not a normal child! XD
You guys are too soft. Remember, she was able to escape from Marquess Sperado's place because of her smarts and guts, which impressed the Duchess. Now you all babying her. Psshh

Book smarts is not the same as street smarts yeah when she knew who her enemies were she could come up with a plan to get out of it but it took her needing to be betrayed and almost killed to realize who her enemies were in the first place the same thing happened here she is not good at judging character as no child is she believes what's on the surface rather than looking within. Remember the duchess was a risk she got lucky and the duchess was actually a good person but she could've easily been betrayed with this as well. Also this time she thought everything with her birth parents was over so she let her guard down as most people would especially since this was someone she knew and one of the very few people who was kind to her genuinely.

Σ(っ°Д °;)っ Couldn't say it better!!
It's always easy to criticise with an outsider POV but when you're in the action fire, even as an adult, you tend to not have the global picture of the situation and so you do your best but not always the smartest things... And here we are judging the choices of a smart girl (who has been abused, wronged, lied to... for most of her life) when she's finally trying to open up, trust others and move on for her shitty nightmare past...

Seems you all just agreeinng with me. Be it book smarts or street smarts, clearly she was stupid. Imagine growing up in that kind of twisted family, it would be more realistic to at least keep a minimum amount of suspicion. Say it with me: BEING TOO TRUSTING IS STUPID.

And just to clear it up my dear fellow readers, I'm not victim blaming her or judging her. I'm just stating the obvious - she was stupid for disregarding all the alarming signs:
1. Where's the baby?
2. Where's the husband?
3. Why can't she remove the bracelet?

I'm not saying she will forever be stupid. She made a mistake, that's my point! Why ya'll being triggerred?

Gosh. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

And just to clarify, she might be desperate, but she was street smart when she prepared for her meeting with the Duchess. Imagine going through that discourse and not being impressed after she was able yo stay on her toes for bargaining insurance of her safety for power and assistance to the Duchess. She's not just some cowardly child who went to the Duchess to ask "Help, help, I'm being maltreated!"

Instead she used her brains, not only her knowledge of the spies in the Sperado house and the book info she had studied well.

I see your point ^^ but in my opinion being stupid and making a mistake are 2 way different stuff... If "stupid" is replaced by "delusional" then I'd agree more with you, because I don't find "stupid" fitting right...
Anyway I find it fun to discuss and argue about different POV or understandings of a story so I wasn't bashing you or anything (=・ω・=) I just retaliate better to what Gaileida said and how she said...

(and it's even funnier when people say the same thing in different way so everyone misunderstand and get at each other throat when overall they agree ε=ε=(ノ≧∇≦)ノ so let's grab popcorn and trigger each other on purpose !!)

Aww. Thanks for that. :) But really some people are taking this way too seriously; the emotional investment is ginormous.

Anyways, yeah maybe delusional could be used, but it points to schrizophrenic tendencies and paranoia, which she clearly did not have being evidenced by her too trusting nature.

Lol I was just putting in my 2 cents cause there were things no one was mentioning anywhere. I will clarify one thing it's not that she cannot remove the bracelet she chose not to since it was a gift. She wanted to at first but convinced herself not to. Also if you're thinking about how a business is run it would make sense that the baby is not there and could just be assumed that the husband is looking after it elsewhere while the wife entertains the guest. But that's just me looking at it from a logic standpoint and if I were in her situation I would ask about it but really wouldn't think anything was up cause I mean it's not like they were in the house part of the building but the restaurant part. I do wanna see if Leslie will learn from this it would be huge character development later if she does I'm actually a little excited to see if that's the case. I also wanna see the reactions when they find chain bits in the bracelet cause man chains in a bracelet really just give prisoner vibes. Not sure if I want the Sperado family to die to Altera there in the street or a public execution. Honestly both are good options die in the street like the trash they are or publically executed for all to see and scorn.

Honestly rather than being at each other's throats I saw this as a debate I mean in all honesty everything is just opinionated so there is no true correct answer to this question. It's the whole fun of words such as stupid that you can take in a whole variaty of different ways I mean each person thinks the word is a different level of insulting for example, some people think nothing of the word and others get so heated they'll punch you for even saying it.

She is a child but decided to seek help in the most powerful famliy, knowing what to offer to get accepted, and that is what makes her so different. Suddenly, she became super friendly with people who used to know when she was with the Sperados... dunno, but she did something careless, knowing her previous experiences :D

I have seen that some people here expected the same ... i just hope the character does not lose focus, cause it was super brave and intelligent the start she had, and aside from the art, im here for the story and the main character (i dunno why but usually get pretty tired of mcs)

Peace and love (=・ω・=)

Also... please, this is a story, not real life. Im setting here facts, not dramas (=・ω・=)

Yep, not the worst meaning, just that she was naive/clumsy/ whatever meaning you have in English cause im not a native English speaker but stupid is not a strong word here, depending on the tone of your voice.

Thanks for the common sense, pretty strange to see lately in this lands, quite exotic (≧∀≦)

Naaaa what do you mean with hate ma dear xDDDDDDDDDD

I really like this chain of comments ! Debating and still being civil is rare on the internet (≧∀≦) It was nice to discuss with you all ^^
And also, being a not native English speaker I agree with what Yiss said, and also on the connotation "delusional" could have... I just could find a better world (￣∇￣")

Good day/night to you !

Mm. Here’s the thing. It’s not stupidity. It’s naivete. She is a very intelligent child, yes. But going through the streets smarts comments, she was street smart because 1) She was forced to be taught how nobility works so she wouldn’t embarrass her abusive family when she would have to act like the servant for her older sister out in public. And 2) She was in constant survival mode. Living in a small space and being abused for just existing, having the fear that you could die of starvation, neglect, or being killed by your family 24/7 will leave you in constant survival mode. So she had her guard up with the Duchess when she met her because of that; because she knew that the Duchess could turn her away. Then, when the Duchess didn’t turn her away and they babied her, wouldn’t you think she’d be a little naive? Once the court ruled that she should live with the Duchess, the whole family babied her constantly, the stark contrast to what she had to endure the first 12 years of her life; something she had never known before could happen for her.

Additionally, the one time she was treated as a human being in the Sperado house was for a few short months by Amroa (I think her name was?). It’s not the fact that she’s stupid; as the higher comments said before, the word stupid can have different meanings for every person. Stupid to me, sounds as though she knows nothing of the world or the people around it. It can be applied in some situations with her, but I think the word “stupid” should be applied with Leslie if she was in a certain situation where she just outright trusted a stranger that she has never met before and they coax her into a carriage to kidnap her. That’s stupid on Leslie’s part.

But Amroa was not a stranger. Amroa treated her as a human being when she was younger than the age that she was now. So of course she is going to trust her when the maid was the only person in the first 12 years of her life who was decent to her. That is not stupidity. That is naïveté. She was naive in believing that Amroa wouldn’t do something suspicious on the grounds of that Amroa was the only person who treated Leslie with kindness in the abusive household. Stupidity would be if Leslie completely trusted her if Amroa was harsh to her, but wrote a letter saying that she’s “changed” and apologized for what she’s done. Leslie would be making a stupid move right there. But that’s not what Amroa did.

The one time I thought Leslie made a stupid move in that situation was when she harshly told the guards to leave the building when Amroa officially started acting suspicious and the guards caught onto that. But again, since Amroa was the one person who treated her with kindness, Leslie gave her the benefit of the doubt. That moment crosses between being stupid and being naive. She should have known better; however, looking at Leslie’s current situation of being babied by the whole Salvatore family for a while at this point, she’s so comfortable now being out of her abusive life that she let her guard down. She now knows that she doesn’t have to be in 24/7 survival mode. That’s why her streets smarts didn’t work this time around. She didn’t have to rely on constant street smarts being with the Salvatores compared to relying constantly on those street smarts being with the Sperados to survive. That’s the difference. So no, Leslie wasn’t being stupid except for one moment in that whole situation; she was being naive, yes, which most children are naive. Just because Leslie has street smarts to an extent and lived in an abusive household does not mean that she is the exception to being naive. She’s less susceptible to being naive, but the reason why I say that she’s less susceptible is because she never let her guard down in the Sperado house; she could finally let her guard down in the Salvatore house, and that’s why she is no exception to naïveté. So I don’t believe that she is stupid. I believe she is a naive child.

And, Dem Feler, on the off-chance you say that I care too much about this; you’re right. But do you have any more points other than that Ad Hominem argument to back your argument up about how Leslie’s stupid?

When you put it that way, yes, I agree. I guess I was frustrayed with the stark contrast between her usual intelligence and her lack of carefulness when she chose to

- keep her knights away, who meant no harm at all except her safety and whose actions the maid should not be offended by because the maid herself told her to bring protection (practically begged for it)

-keep the bracelet on when she wanted to take it off (ok i know she was being considerate)

-let her last attendant go.

She did promise her family to be careful, but really, ugh


The one thing I didn't like though is how others couldn't just try to explain themselves like others did, and get angry because "she is just 12 how could you judge her you must be a victim-blamer wtf" and "this also applies to how you think in real life situations, sweetie."


Anyways, I was surprised with the amt of non-threatening and thought-filled replies this thread got. Thanks for your ideas, and I really appreciate the good critique this piece of comment got.
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Ahaha, by that try to check the comments later than mine, and see how OUTRAGEOUS they were because we were VICTIM-BLAMING A POOR 12-YEAR OLD who totally exists in real life.
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Ahaha look at the comments which are later than mine and see how OUTRAGEOUS they are because we were VICTIM-BLAMING A POOR 12-YEAR OLD who totally exists in real life.
Anyways, glad to have at some agreement

Ok Ahiru, I'm glad you took the time to try and detail your explanations, but by which statement do you think I used Ad Hominem?

I know I know, I was being sarcastic HAHEAEHAEHAEHAE :D

HAHAHHAHA i fell for that one xD

Waaait a minute! So you've just agreed with me, and you're calling her naive... I see, we agree then.
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