I'm kinda confused, since when did the raebin and the red hair(help sorry idk how to spell his name) got into a fight??? And I feel like the chapters are cutted or missing, cuz why did they take a picture of their food(that their fans gave them), and then suddenly it cuts to them posting a pic bowing.. I feel like they should be dialogue there?? Or a scene explaining "sht, we messed up", hence they uploaded a pic of them bowing. And then for this chapter, there is one obvious cut too...it's when big sejin held small sejin who collapsed. Brooosjodnsoskd I'm guessing these are bots uploading these chapters, someone plsss fixxx itttt... Ik this is dramatic but this manhwa is literally just one of my favorites ;-;
Oops, I meant missing panels, not chapters.
Ik we beefin lolol but your comment made me reread and no wonder why the chapters felt short.
Found a faaaar better translation but it got shit tons of ad tho
https://vortexscans.org/series/debut-or-die/chapter-77
Is there harem y'all?? My friend is currently reading this, and now she's confused cuz she's talking about how the mc has currently kissed/been kissed by 3 different women. Is this another SAO situation??
Nvm dropping this shtttt lol just saw someone giving a spoiler down below that he gives 3 engagement rings to 3 different women. I was confused as to why this was only rated 9.3 when it has 800+ votes.. I get it now ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Whoever added this manhwa to mangago should rlly add the harem tag, and not "clickbait" ppl bruh.
The harem are eventually forgotten in the middle so I think that's why it's not harem tagged. Kiyoung really doesn't end up with anyone that he manipulates
Still, it happened. Imo it's stupid to not add the tag just cuz the author focused on other aspects in the middle of the story.. from the spoilers I saw so far, it's rlly giving SAO situation where the mc has multiple women gunning for him, lots of fanservice(like him kissing/getting kissed..), just for him to end up with one woman(or in this case, none cuz of the spoiler down below.), but that doesn't mean that the women are just gonna disappear, nah they are still there. Such a waste of potential smh
Authors should rlly just stop giving in for these gooners man, like look at eleceed and other action manhwas.. they are doing so well without these unnecessary harem.
I just know that the author probably realized half way in that they didn't need to do this harem sht for their work to pop off, but alas it still happened...
This is why I wholeheartedly believe that if an author ruins a good story with harem, it just means they aren't that good enough OR they don't feel confident so they gotta bring in the gooners. Like let's be honest, harem is literally just fillers of the story lol
yeah, LIKE NANO MACHINE AUTHOR IT WAS GOOD YET HE SUDDENLY PULLED THE SHT OF IT AIGO but lemme tell you, this one is a bit different from those gooner fcking big boobies and nonsense body shape of a harem manhwas! this one's like not a harem but harem at the same time;-; the women here is like friend with benefits?dunno but it's diff from other harem. This is more like BL than harem lmao, and he even see the women by his side as a tools, no, he see everyone as his tools(tho they're exceptions) i hate harem, but this one somehow made me stomach it. If you like evil and funny mc, you should try it!!(it was too late for me when i got spoiled that this is a harem and I'm already invested with mc and the plot
Honestly yeah the harem isn't really a traditional harem where we kiss kiss fall in love. It's more like when you catch a pokemon and add it into your team. You're leveling them up while also making sure you take care of them and become attached to them as the journey continues. Like the first girl is basically your starter pokemon that you carry around and favor and pamper.
If it had been more romance based I definitely would have dropped a long time ago like with SAO.
The 2 of those rings were forced upon by the girls and the third too but not in the same intensity as the others, so it wasn't exactly out of love. But you're kinda valid, it's alright if this isn't your thing.
Okay I get that the fl is all for the "kids are innocent", but tf was that comment of the fl in chapter 14 stating "oh so the death of the duke was necessary"??? It literally irks me how her attitude towards the ml is sooo stupid(sorry English isn't my first language, so idk what word fits more), compared to her attitude towards the duke and duchess. Like goddamn, this woman is treating him as him he's a cold blooded killer(which, lowk he is cuz of the first tl), HOW ABOUT YOU FOCUS ON THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM HELLLOOOO?? I'm glad the Butler shut her ass up, explaining the ml's horrible situation. I don't understand how the fl cant sympathize with the ml too. She literally went "HES A FUCKING KILLER, KILLED INNOCENT KIDS, his dad called for assassins to kill him, BUT HOW DARE HE????" Tf???? And not her saving herself by stating "oh but I wasn't criticizing him!(Then why tf would you mention him killing the duke?? HUH??) The kids are innocent!!!!"... She's talking as if he already killed the kids. Mf, stop your yapping. I get it, you love the dang kids, but at this point your kinda sounding like those pro-birth people, always yapping about the kids and not actually taking the account of the living person's situation. But the difference is, the kids are actually living and not just some fetus.
Did you read the whole thing already? She literally told Diego that she pitied him too since he was also beaten as a child?? She was being cautious around Diego because the Diego that she knew killed the kids. That's why Duke Bertha at the hand of Diego was necessary. Also ofc she condemns him killing the Duke because it IS still murder, but she shows a lot of empathy and understanding towards Diego as well around the chapter 20 mark (i dont remember specific chapter)
I did, she only started pitying him when the butler hit her with his lore. Only then did she went "well, ofc I also pity him." My point still stands, the fl was so out of line with her comment, showing full on hostile to the ml, WHILE knowing fully well that he's literally fighting off the assassin's that his father sent him. But then she goes on cowering when it comes to the duke??? The ml's situation is literally kill or be killed, and she had the audacity to say that. If she's so brave, why couldn't she show the same hostility towards the duke?? You know, the ROOT of the problem??? It's as if she's only condemning the ml just cuz he killed the kids. Like I get it, they are innocent. But let's not forget the ml is also an innocent kid, but ofc the duke doesn't care and still tries to kill him. She should've directed that anger towards the duke, for making the ml's life a living hell that made him lose mercy towards his own siblings. But ofcccc, all of that doesn't matter cuz he still killed the iNnOcEnT kIdS in the first tl. How could he do that?!?!?! I mean, even if he was living in a nightmare since birth, there is noooo waayyy he went mentally crazy, right??
And I forgot to mention, the fl's actions would've been a bit reasonable ONLY if the ml still killed the kids in the current tl. But ofc, she has to show her nasty ass personality, stating something along the lines of "oh so killing the duke was necessary??" BUT NO?? THE KIDS ARE STILL ALIVE??? I'm just glad that the butler had to shut her ass up and reminded her of his life. She can never truly sympathize with him, cuz guess what?? She never went through whatever the ml's life was growing up! She lived a decent life, and got a job that she wanted. She never had to kill off assassins her parents sent to her. She literally never had to kill someone.
All I heard from Marius is "me, me, me". Like bitch, take a look around and actually THINK. Like this guy is not capable of empathy. He legit thought "dang, so your fighting me cuz I imprisoned(and probably killed) this one girl??" And then the moment he regresses, he distances himself cuz he is "hurt".. like mf, have you ever THOUGHT that maybbeeeee it's your fault??
My jaw legit DROPPED when I saw that the reason Marius was avoiding Edgar cuz Edgar "betrayed" him.. but when not even 2 seconds later, my jaw went back up. This dude is dumb af, and literally the perfect person to be an emperor. His personality is just perfect, he will hurt other ppl without care as long as it's for his kingdom or whatever. And he is also incapable of feeling empathy and love. Don't come for me stating he is capable because he cared about Edgar in the first tl, nah uh. Watch him see a kid starving by the side of the road and he won't bat an eye, that's literally just his personality. If he can't gain anything, then that's that. Literally a perfect emperor.
Anyways, enough of my sarcastic rant, I now know fully well why novel readers hates this guy and wishes for the eldest sister to have a better ml. CUZ SHE DEF DOES. And also, the third sis too.. idk what rlly happened with that mage guy, but if the what fl is saying true, then it's another trash ml.. like jeez, so far I only like the ml for the second eldest sis, and the future ml of the fl.
Mb for repeating a lot of things, but I'm just super pissed at Marius. Like I get it.. but also mf it's ur FAULT. Why can't you actually change for the better and own up to it instead of going "boohoo, I got betrayed by my own lil bro cuz of this one insignificant girl, bohooooo"
STRAIGHT FACTS
Like think why your precious cousin went against you in the first place and like even when he tried to kill him he couldn't like bro come om use your head for once
TRUEEE, kid was literally trembling(I'm sure it was out of disbelief, not strength). Marius kinda thought about it but he legit brushed it off like nothing... Literally went like this "HE BETRAYED ME cuz I imprisoned this one girl, AND NOW IM SAD, TRAUAMATIZED, BOOOHOO ME"
Litterally!!!! And Edgar explained it all so clearly too! Like... he clearly stated that he only pointed his sword at his uncle BECAUSE all of them were crazy and it was just to stop him not like he wanted to kill him but nah dude listened to all his explanation and was like "After everything I've done for you!" bro what?! and even before saying that unbelievable line, the emperor said that he was aware that him and the other mls were brainwashed and indeed acting crazy... make it make sense ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ
I'm still at chapter 13, but man I hope the mc got a different ml. I just rlly don't like him :C
And P.S for those ppl who are cock suckers for this manhwa, THIS IS MY OPINION.
At chp.17 now, and I just rlly hoped that they could've just been friends instead. Idk, I don't feel the spark at all, all the ml doing is just messing with the fl cuz he finds her reactions funny/interesting. Idkkk, it's giving best friends vibes instead of a ml and fl that is destined to be tgt. I rlly think the ml telling the fl to seduce the CP at the beginning ruined his image for me. It's like he's not serious at all(and ik he is), but idk(for the third time) I just rlly hoped the fl got to meet with someone else, and the same with the ml.
Yk what, maybe I'm just rlly stuck with ha bad first impression.
Sooooo have you gotten to the recent chapters and do you still think the same???
i was just about to ask if ur opinion changed bc it seemed that way at first for me too but i think they make a perfect couple, better than the prince
I hate stories like this, where the system will FORCED the mc to basically forgive those asshats... Especially this manhwa since I love the art so much, and so far(I'm still at chapter 17), the story seems good(aside from the mc basically forgiving these shts..)
I was even wondering why I never read this.. and then all the memories came flooding lol it's cuz of this shtty forced plot.
Does anyone have any recommendations just like this one? Specifically an fl who isn't afraid to break it off completely with the ml, with the reason that she's afraid of dying or getting cheated on
Man I'm glad the fl is not just spouting words but no action! I LOVE LOVEE how she completely change her fate by cutting ties to the ml, and thinking about how she could still end up with some else, like yesss!! There's a ton of fishes in the sea! I'm tired of seeing bad ass fl's to always be stuck to the ml, as if they aren't any good men out there. FINALLY!!!
But they still end up together tho.??
True, but at least she's actually trying. Not like some other manhwas/mangas out there with the title "I'm divorcing the ml/my husband!" But doesn't do sht, and instead just blushes everytime the ml breaths
I know I've seen some where the "Villainess" left their husband after cheating, but not where they are still engaged, is there some manwhas you know where the female lead left where they're still engage and still didn't end up together, like they needed up with someone else, eltho most of those manwhas clearly shows that the fiance isn't the ml , but yeah
There's a few, but one title I can remember rn is "Remarried empress".
Wait a min.. I'm still in chapter 2, did the mc srsly forgive that hoe Monica??? Istg, we srsly need real villainess mc who take revenge for the OGbody. How is she just a clumsy lady when Monica literally became the mistress??? I fucking hate her now ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
Dang, I was liking the saint until the chapter 16-18. Like girly literally shouted "do you like onyx?!?!", basically "outing" the fl Infront of everyone. After that, she doesn't even let the fl talk(like come on, the fl is literally speechless and your just yapping about fighting fair and square for this one guy... A GUY for all things..). Then, the third prince gives her some ideas, and so she legit asks the fl is she wanted to go out, ONLY FOR HER TO LITERALLY INV ONYX WITHOUT EVEN TELLING THE FL?? GURL... You already know you got an advantage. The fact that she didn't even tell the fl, it's giving not a true friend and such an ick. The fact that she did that.. BLURGH.. Idk, ik her character is like "oopsie, hehehe I'm just a naive wittle gurly~ and yes!! I love this one guy, so I'm if I make any mistakes forgive me heheh~~"... And judging from the comments here, the fl is just gonna fumble the bag so hard. Atp, I'm just gonna drop this ;-; too many annoying things.
Like your no different from those fake ass girls that uses the fl. Though, the only difference is that she literally rubs it Infront of the fl's face, like legit slapping her as she blushes, smiles, and acts all heheh with onyx as she grabs his arm.