okay, time to read the novel, i'm too curious about this
...byul had 3456789 relationships and he never kissed anyone? wtf
sejin is so unreasonable. He tells ido all that, that he hasn't forgiven him and that they're better apart, ofc ido will tell him it's okay to end things. What ido wants is sejin to decide things on his own terms and he doesn't want to make things difficult for sejin. The fact itself he cries, means he's just saying what he thinks sejin wants to hear.
And how is that making Sejin unreasonable? You just stated facts.
he's unreasonable BECAUSE SEJIN HOPES THROUGHOUT THE CHAPTER THAT IDO WILL DECIDE FOR HIM. jeez
Decide for him??? Ido is a coward. He sends mix signals, he push and pull, making Sejin UNDECIDED. And he's always crying like Sejin is bul**ing him.
he’s not though. one of the biggest themes in this story is sejins desire for stability. he was constantly walking on eggshells around his family to try and keep them happy and wants his emotions clearly reciprocated but ido is holding back. he is not looking for ido to make a decision, he already made up his mind which is why he was annoyed and sad at ido being okay with ending things. they have love for eachother, what’s being shown right now on both ends is fear, not indecisiveness.
sejin wants to make sure he isnt abandoned again, and ido wants sejin to be free instead of trapped in a relationship like he has been his whole life.
you lowkey stupid as hell
have we been reading the same chapter? as i said: my entire point was that the reason he tells sejin that he's gotten over him is that that's what he thinks sejin wants to hear. After sejin told him that he hasn't forgiven him and that they're better apart, ofc ido will tell him it's okay to end things! ofc ido hopes that sejin will choose him. But he knows that Sejin needs to make a decision on his own terms, not to read into what ido wants. That's why I said that ido can't make the choice for him. that's unreasonable.
Ido may have acted like a coward in the past but it's not right to call him a coward NOW of all times. if you call ido a coward, then sejin is one too, since both can't be bothered to be sincere about their feelings.
that's one way to see it. But blaming on ido the fact that he's holding back after all that spiel on "I haven't forgiven you and we're better apart", that's ridiculous. That was sejin protecting his own feelings while ido was offering his heart on a silver platter. Sejin's decision wavered the instant ido said that he got over him, like "if he doesn't want me then there's no point". Ofc fear plays an important part on both sides but what did sejin even want from him?! and does ido deserve to be called a coward for it? sejin said ido's answer wouldn't matter. But it did. Maybe I worded that badly, but that's i meant by saying that "he's waiting for ido to decide for him".
since this is mangago, i guess it's alright to be sincere.
I hope you die in a ditch.
yeah, ofc. but on this damn site you cannot defend the main lead that everyone takes it personally. I'm tired.
Ido is STILL a coward. He can just confess now, now that they both know the truth about the past and the present. But he won't. Sejin is giving him the chance to. Then from that, Sejin GETS to decide. That's his call after all.
From the last parts of the chapter, I think Sejin will actually give their relationship a chance though, but Ido said those words that HE THINKS are what Sejin wants to hear, not HIS truth. And that's cowardly.
LMFAOO there’s no way ur over the age of 15
I am. But why tho??
i think you misinterpreted the chapter because that is not what was going on it was a “what if” scenario, once again playing out sejins fears. what he wanted from ido was real confirmation, protecting himself after being betrayed isnt an odd thing at all. i wouldnt say his decision wavered, he came prepared with an item and a speech because he planned to stick to it. why would you go on to confess to someone who you know doesnt like you anymore? his expectation was for him to still have feelings for him and thats why his answer would not have mattered.
Look, the adult has talked. Let me prostrate myself to you, kid. YOU STARTED. CALLING ME STUPID. And you can't even argument. So yes, die in a ditch.
no, i didn't misinterpreted anything, it's just that you choose to defend sejin, I choose to defend ido. Sejin talked in an hypothetical manner, yes, but it's what he said that made ido tell him what he did. This whole discussion started because I took pity on ido and commented that sejin was being unreasonable, wanting ido to ignore what he himself had said.
They BOTH made the same mistake out of fear, talking shit instead of being sincere. But Ido's mistake is, in my opinion, reasonable, bc of the entire situation. He was trying to ease Sejin into the task of leaving him. Ido gets he's not in the position of deciding anything.
"why would you go on to confess to someone who you know doesnt like you anymore?"
Look, i get your point. But what I'm saying is that he said ido's answer wouldn't matter. His resolve wavering will be a problem because I bet my hat Ido will do something to himself. If you want to see it as Sejin being annoyed and not as a "he wavered" thing, whatever. Potato potato. I already said I worded this sentence poorly: "he's unreasonable because sejin hopes throughout the chapter that ido will decide for him. jeez". What I meant by that was that his agency extends as far as Ido is still interested in him and that will create problems.
If you don't agree, free to disagree.
I kinda don't like how the author keeps bringing back the drama of the parent story.
This is supposed to be BYUL's story and yet all the author does is talking about his parents' drama, and how they have a new child now, about the parent story's second couple and their daughter, etc, etc. It's exhausting.
I mean... this just shows that the author herself still can't move on from her 'original' manhwa. Love is an illusion is a great manhwa (even though I don't really like the story, but I admit it's a great manhwa), but the way the author always bringing back the OG couple to new stories seems..... she can't move on from them.
I understand that the 'OG Couple' is Byul's parents.... but.... it just doesn't sit right with me with the way the author always come back to them
yeah, im not a big fan of the original story either, probably that's why im suffering so much. But I do like the concept of this new story, if only the author moved on a little bit like you said, it wouldn't be so bad.
the author is okay, if you google "Geonhan 건한" she stopped updating in 2024. So she survived whatever happened to them
that ending though...
i meant updating their twitter
This is an essay into jjk's fucked up mind. You're warned.
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Basically the story establishes pretty early on that a part of jjk is obsessed about power, and kim dan is a pawn he needs to keep being "perfect".
...So, what depths can jjk get to, in order to maintain that ideal image he NEEDS for himself?
Like, we already saw that he can't get it hard if its not kim dan, so he won't hire anyone else to take care of his jinx, despite saying that he could. Which is clown behavior: he feels obvious pleasure in thinking of this whole "kim dan thing" in an impersonal way but its obvious he's backed into a corner.
I wonder, how much can kim dan actually get away with by telling him "no" at this point in the story...?
jjk already has set himself for his return, kim dan or not. We see him accept the offer for a match and that brings him to a whole new low: he gets migraines again and his anger boils over at kim dan. I believe this to be his desire for power that forces him to get back to his old life, and for some reason, jjk can't accept any change to this old routine of his.
Which is interesting, bc it seems like jjk NEEDS things to unfold in a certain way to feel powerful and in control of his life: which means no string attached sex, being a champion and being violent as hell.
And kim dan forces him to be soft, tied down, and taking care of him rn means not accepting any matches; jjk himself tells us he can SLEEP now. The migraines though come back once he accepts a new match. So basically its like jjk's mind right now is REBELLING to the kind of life he's been living in "bumfuck nowhere". A kind of life that seems good for him though.
Its like... jjk's mind is trying to protect him from something in a very dysfunctional way, and it's doing it by essentially trying to eject kim dan from his life. Kim dan is dangerous. Kim dan could hold the key to jjk getting badly hurt.
We dont know jjk's background, we just know that rn he's an asshole and that jumin baek knew him as a child. We're also shown a black void regarding him unworthy as a whole. Was he,,, in a position of weakness? So much that he folded and tried to become an alpha male as much as he could...?
He said he's never sucked a cock before and in the start of the story he doesn't define himself as "gay", he tells us simply that his jinx needs him to sleep with men right before a match and asks kim dan if he finds it strange.
Also Jinx is following BJ Alex's structure to a T, so far. Do yall think that mingwa will eventually steer away from this path? Or do yall think that at the end of this story there will be no way that jjk can be freed from his toxic self aside from stopping being a MMA fighter...?
We're on for a hell of a ride, guys
Mingwa's really about having tops with traumas I get it and it's okay cos she resolved it well in BJ Alex and here I hope too. What's juicy about this is, is that doc also has stuff on his own where he's probably on a point where he could give a fuck about other stuff. And yes, this is very BJ Alex. S1 was okay but I was disappointed that when S2 started, the parallels were becoming too obvious. People would even put a side by side of BJ Alex and Jinx scenes. A lot of people were okay, I was mostly not because I was expecting much from her from a story point but I've come to let it go. I just reread S2 in preperation and noticed that S2's colouring/lighting made the entire season very dramatic/moody which I've come to appreciate. She either has a good storyboard artist or that's her. I mean the art is already chef's kiss. I just hope she eventually gets better at writing stories. And she'll be a complete powerhouse (tho she already is)
thank u for this genius analysis that most won’t understand. love how thoroughly you picked him apart, it’s perfect.
I found BJ Alex to be rather weak in writing, the whole "alex realizes he's in love" happened too quickly and in a rather clichéd way. I really hope Mingwa's intention is to improve on BJ Alex by writing Jinx,,, but so far it seems like jjk will need to stop competing (just as alex needed to stop being a BJ) in order to make space for change and kim dan in his life.
I think it's a waste, honestly.
Thank youuuuu! Im happy someone appreciated! I find this story very interesting, i just hope it wont turn out to be clichéd at all <3
I've read jjk and I thought that you're referring to Jujutsu Kaisen lolll. Why did I forget his full name...
u cookin' with this bro
thank you! <3333 i cant remember his name either, im the old man calling him jaegeng
He definitely has some trauma about strenght. I'm barely a casual reader so my bad if i miss things but here's what i think:
His trauma is definitely related to being weak, i think even baek jumin(?) said something implying he was a wuss when they were younger.I think it involves him being unable to stop a bad situation involving a man, and blaming himself by being weak.The jinx is obviously a power thing, but he has to "press down" a man specifically for his match to go well.
Some of the people i've seen that are insecure to the point of mental illness act exactly like him; agressive, overconfident, lacking empathy, perfectionist. Because their worth is so fragile, they instantly bark with a whataboutism to anyone who dares to touch it. That's why he is so obsessed with his image and streak he is even willing to ignore his injuries working himself to failure.
But now his persona cracked. He lost his streak. Even if he were to climb up the ranks again and go on a bigger streak than before the match he lost exist, that's why he fell apart. So his brain is on crisis mode not knowing what to do, desperately fighting for control over SOMETHING, but he is not as headfirst in his approach as we was before, instead getting hung up on random things because he is somewhat on a state of paralysis.
He constantly snaps at dan for getting drunk to avoid his problems, not taking care of himself, not being perfect but it's exactly what he did. And he doesn't know how to fix him other than getting mad at him because that's all he knows, that's how he approaches himself and since his mind can't handle the stress of blaming himself right now it's dan ruining his perfection. that's the thing he has to fix, so he can escape this emergency.
Why he is chill with old people? No clue. Maybe he had a close relationship with and elder figure when he was a kid, maybe he doesn't feel the need to prove himself. Maybe both
yeah, i agree! (=・ω・=)
In his case, I think we can separate neatly between mind and body; jjk's mind is what strives for him to go back to the ring and leave kim dan behind, while his body is what is physically blocking him from going this way, by getting him migraines and making him impotent.
What you describe is totally his state of mind rn. He blames it all on kim dan and it's unbearable how much of his conscious mind is taken up by those thoughts. But luckily jjk is also a man that feels through his body and we can tell how many feelings he has for kim dan bc he unconsciously ACTS like he cares.
I think he fell apart bc of his disconnect with his body's reactions. First his inability to stop in front of the physical pain of his injury, then his inability to place worth on kim dan's disappearance after being hurt. Kim dan is the type of man who needs his hard work to be recognized and he cant have that with jjk, who blames stuff on ppl bc he cannot be honest with himself. Jjk does trust kin dan, but he didnt hesitate on blaming his injury on him.
i wonder what it'll took for jjk to get rid of this dysfunctional defense mechanism of his.
Thank you finally someone w reading comprehension, holy shit that is an interesting perspective of his head trying to fight each other
Thank you finally someone w reading comprehension, holy shit that is an interesting perspective of the two sides of his head trying to fight each other
Thank you! It was all Mingwa <333
IM SORRY CHAT, I CAVED
i found the raws till chapter 30 and bought the anthology to get chapter 31 and 32.
You have no idea of my suffering right now, THIS story is pure angst, if you care about the main ship. Pls someone hold me ;___________;
Hi, where did you read the raws?
it's super painful, beware
Where did you find the anthology? :D
oh, i went to the author's twt! ill link:
https://www.fupro-comics.com/detail/1252/501346/?fc=true
there's a free trial so you can read ch.31 and 32
afterwards its 5eur a month (▰˘◡˘▰)
Thnkies
spoilers please? .. i might regret asking this
i sent you a message with the spoilers <3
Pls let's discuss this a bit bc i've been crying all day ╥﹏╥
Can u also give me the spoilers??? (=・ω・=)
yeah, ofc!
thank you sm <3 i feel very fulfilled now but yes ╥﹏╥ many many questions
Oh god I feel like i might regret this too but could you also send me the spoilers?
yeah!
I binge read this in one night and omg is it okay if I ask you for spoilers too? I'M OBSESSEDDDD
ofc!
can u send me the spoilers tooo pleaseee
Can you sendo me spoilers too please?
If you end up posting some more spoiler in public im totally ok with it..seems like more people are itching for more content haha
okay!
i... dont want to ruin the experience of reading it, thats why i haven't posted spoilers in public. Im basically sending anyone who asks the same paragraph over and over, LOL. What do you think?
Understandable and true but wow the effort
Okay! I dont mind doing it for a story I love <3
Plz send me spoilers
Ok!
could you please send me the spoilers too?
Oooo can you send me the spoilers too pls? I'm dying to know what happens next!!
Everyone, maybe I got ahead of myself a bit, I'll stop giving spoilers until I manage to check that i was actually right about a certain scene!
Hii, can you give me the spoilers please???
talk to me please ive been suffering this whole time reading the raws without no one to talk to.
vol 5 is devastating but it gets better or at least it didn’t go from bad to worse hahaha
Could I get spoilers too? I want to know what happened with the roommate and the ex. @ummhai
Could I get spoilers too? I want to know what happened with the roommate and the ex.
Give me spoilers too
Can you send me spoiler too please! I need to know !! Thank you
Can you send me spoiler too?
Can you give me the spoiler too please
Can you send me the spoilers as well please
Hello! I don't mind being spoiled, could you share with me too? Thanks!
Can you plz send me spoilers (=・ω・=)
can i have the spoilers too omg pls !!
Can you also share spoilers with me
can i have the spoilers too omg pls ???
Spoiler plz
Surely send me the spoilers too pleaseeee
im addicted to this story! i had to wait 5 years but eventually we get to eat this buffet now
thank you for sharing with us!!!!
10 million won!!!! I'll take care of you, hyung!!!