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Please- Jooin is just as toxic

not really tell me one of his toxic behaviors youre talking about. im not justifying everything but hes not toxic

He runs back to Yawhi every single time after saying he wants to ignore him.

i don't feel like that's toxic, just desperate

sry i meant to reply to you so - i don't feel like that's toxic, just desperate. Jooin came off a little dumb to me, always clinging to the hope that yahwi will change, even tho he won't. That's why it was so nice to see him finally pushing him away previously, idk why he went with him now.

he likes him hes not comfy w this situation either its called catching feelings for a reason

exactly. even tho he knows whats the best for him now he still cant overcome his feelings because he already got hopes once yahwi "accepted his feelings" so he cant really give up on those pure hopes and keeps struggling

and what you said doesnt make someone "toxic"

But you see if he continues to call Yawhi the bad one(which he is) then willingly runs back, that’s toxic. Not to mention how he always mentions Cain when they hang out which obviously makes Yawhi mad. Like I understand why he does make Yawhi jealous, but it’s still toxic. Anyone can see that

He knows exactly what he’s getting when he goes back to toxic Yawhi, but acts like he is the higher person or tries to ignore him. If you keep running back to the same old habits because it benefits you or bc you wanna, that’s so toxic lmao. Imagine how Cain feels too. He’s creepy but still, liking someone, then watching them go back to the same person, when Cain has specifically told Jooin that Yawhi is bad news, is toxic.

lmao you really dont understand jooins feelings nor actions anyways

Sorry but i gotta agree with lupa, i think you don't get his feelings. It's not that he is toxic and deliberately falls back into old habits, he wants to cut Yahwi out, but he doesn't know how to say no to him. And also, he is trying to get over him. And about Cain - how what Jooin does with someone else makes Cain feel is none of his responsibility.

exactly

I do. The reason why I'm saying this is because I had an abusive ex exactly like Yawhi. I always kept running back bc of the same reason Jooin has. He knows that Yawhi is bad for him and still goes off and tries to "annoy" him or "ignore" him. That's exactly what I did. I just wanted attention because the person in my situation I obviously loved, same with Jooin. You can't really tell what the characters in a comic/manwha/manga, or whatever it is are thinking all the time so you use your past experiences to try and help you figure it out. My past helped me to kind of work my way through this manwha. Jooin reminds me a lot of my past self. Dumb, naive, but what I was doing was toxic, not for another person but for MYSELF. Same with Jooin.

See, and saying he has no responsibility isn't exactly true. If Jooin cared about Cain, he wouldn't be making him feel like this. If you ask me, that's toxic within itself. Denying something your friend wishes when you know the outcome is bad, isn't okay. Jooin isn't toxic to other people really, plus Cain is creepy so I understand why Jooin wouldn't be fond of him and I get what youre saying completely, but still. Jooin is toxic to himself. If you read my latest reply it will say why, maybe you will understand my pov.

"If Jooin cared about Cain, he wouldn't be making him feel like this." you said. You're exaggerating so much, this is not a toxic behavior, it can only be called not comdierate and this is not about him caring about Cain or not.

considerate*

Your past self isn't my business so I cannot comment on it and yeah I understand you find your past behavior toxic and call yourself dumb but Jooin isn't you and just because you find yourself in him doesn't change the point of out topic, in the end I don't know you. I respect that you think his behavior is "toxic" but I don't. He is trying and trying is the most important step and you can't just erase your feelings over night. So for me it's unfair to hold him accountable just because he keeps pushed around by his feelings. Hope I'm clear enough, this is my opinion and as you saw too there are people who agree with me too. You don't have to think alike but this discussion is literally pointless now.

also ignore the mistakes its bcs of the autocorrect i still believe im clear enough

You just seem like you're invalidating my opinion tho lmaooo

It literally is, but oh well i have pointless opinions i guess. whatever

im just gonna mute this so i wont get a notification lmao, you're just being annoying as hell at this point. stop invalidating what I'm saying. my points still stand and jooin is probably more toxic than yawhi

Wait I finally get what you're saying! Yeah it makes sense, he is hurting himself with it but that's not really what I'd call toxic. Maybe a bit self-destructive, but he is trying his best to avoid Yahwi, he just still has a soft spot for him and he can't say no. I hope he will get over him and end up with a huge character development. I hope he will see how badly he is treated like you did. On Cain i think we'll have to agree to disagree
, but im really glad to undertsand your pov now

lmao no i am not. youre under my comment if you are gonna twist my words like this just to convince me that your opinion is the most true then leave

you read everything yet you understood only this i have nothing to add more you're too stubborn to listen to others' thoughts

understand the way you want

youre impossible lmao

LMAOO FR he's so earnest i feel bad for him haha ε=ε=(ノ≧0≦)ノ

Heartless is a bit too much.
This is not reality, I can't feel really sorry for a fictional rape done to someone who doesn't even exist.
Are you talking about the MC being raped by the brother of his first crush, right?

yes im talking about that and whether its fiction or not that was cruel of the author

?? No it's not ?? The character literally doesn't exist. No one is experiencing cruelty here. And it was used as a plot device ?? This is like saying no one should use death as a plot device/point cause "it's CrUeL tO tHe ((fictional)) DeCeAsEd'S lOvEd OnEs"

Fiction can affect reality. Just like how you can have feeling for a human you can also have feelings for a fictional character. That’s why you get sad when your favorite anime character dies or just genuinely feel emotion watching the show. You’re just trying to make an excuse as to why you’re fucked up in the head.

Damn, imagine saying that you don’t care that it has rape because it’s fiction or that it doesn’t matter because the characters aren’t real like...... It couldn’t be me. I just know you’re thinking that you’re so “mature”

?? I literally said nothing related to that but ok. I just said it wasn't cruel to the character cause he doesn't exist ?? Which is true lmfao ??

I literally didnt say that lmfao. Neither of you can read I see. And why does it matter lol ? They aren't real. No one is actually getting raped here. No one is truly suffering from rape ?

Mild correction here: my intention in the first comment is that real cruelty isnt happening/the author isn't cruel for using rape as a plot device.

"fucked in the head" you literally have rape and incest mangas in your "already read" and "reading" lists. Hypocritical much ?

Every person that I have seen that have the same mentality as you, only ever have this argument lol. Obviously we know that it is fiction. The issue is that so many authors choose to use rape as a plot device when it isn’t necessary at all. What makes it worse is that often times the victim will act nonchalant about it in bls. It’s irritating. I just don’t see how you’re not seeing this as an issue when there are many real world people who are very impressionable, or people who don’t believe that coercion counts as a form of rape.

And I never said it was ??? I literally think the same way as you do and have multiple times pointed out to many that rape can come in many forms ? You're making points that have nothing to do with the original comment except rape being involved. But ok.

Okay, so explain it to me then because I’m sure that my argument still stands.

I said that my intent was the author wasnt cruel for using rape as a plot point and that no "true, direct cruelty" (i.e cruelty towards a real person) was taking place cause no real person was raped and that by implying this author is cruel for using a real world problem in their work makes it seem like they shouldn't emulate those problems in their works at all, which by extension means no author should use real world problems, such as death or cancer. Which is just a stupid view.

And then you come in saying I don't care about rape or dont think it matters just cause its a fictional person experiencing it even though I never said that ? I just said it wasnt cruel of the author. And then you also said that I somehow dont think rape is marginally unnecessary in mangas/works when I hadn't said anything like that at all.

Also also. Never said youre argument didnt stand, just that it is misplaced and targeted/built around assumptions you made about me.

If someone doesn’t get affected or doesn’t give a d*mn about rape in fiction it doesn’t mean they are rape stand or that they’re justifying it.
As I said in many other comments, it just doesn’t affect me because I can’t feel sorry or get mad about some lines on paper.
Yeah, it’s sad, but as a mature person I can trace a line between reality and fiction.
I don’t care about a character being raped or about an hentai that has a non-con tag, because they don’t exist.
Obviously, if it happened in real life, it’s another whole thing.

“Mature” lmao.

Okay, so then I will start by apologizing because I’ll admit that I did make assumptions about you. I’m usually a lot more level headed when I do discuss but I guess I’m just used to dealing with the edgy wannabes that think they’re “mature” because they can “handle” rape in literature.
With that being said, In terms of this manhwa, cruel may not be the right word, but it is messed up for the bottom to be coerced by the guy who literally helped him in his bad situation. It literally just sort of sours the whole story and destroys all the development of trust between the two. (If anything, it’s bad story telling) And what’s going to happen when the next chapter comes in? He will probably forgive him which is possibly the biggest issue I have with bls.
You’re argument about authors not being able to write rape and then generalizing it to cancer and death doesn’t make sense. These are all very different concepts that are not mutually exclusive. Maybe the op had spoken about this but you are making assumptions. Generally, rape is fine to write if done with maturity. But when it comes to bls.... it’s just romanticized horribly and it has become a trend. Often times the victim will act nonchalant about it which is very toxic. Anyways, this is getting to long lmao

Uh dude, if you look back, the op was calling the author cruel for the rape between the brother of his first crush. Seungchan wasnt apart of the equation. That's why I commented on it. That rape/situation is literally integral to the story, it's one of the main conflicts, as sucky as that is. If op meant the whole "no" situation between seungchan and (I forget his name so I'm just gonna call him the writer dude) in the side story, I wouldn't have said anything to begin with. Everyone who read that thinks it's fucked up and just poorly written, myself included.

And it makes perfect sense ? How is it generalizing when those problems are literally universal and happen more often (and impact more as a result) ? No duh they're different concepts but that wasn't the point ? The point was theyre all real world problems that people experience, so why is one author considered cruel for writing about rape (where it wasn't romanticized) but another can write about death or cancer or racism, etc. and it's fine ?

Again, that isnt really relevant to main argument. No one is talking about romanticism. If anything, this is about censorship/double standards.

you just proved you have such a shitty personality

just because you are not affected by this doesn't mean other can't if this is what you are trying prove with this long unnecessary comment