this is not the way i wanted haru to get his memories back especially if we were going to be taken on this soul crushing emotional roller coaster. haru cant just be unimaginably cruel to ren and then just get his memories back like he didnt just put ren through the ringer. ren is sure to forgive haru because harus hand got injured and hed feel guilty being mad at haru. this might sound crazy but i kind of wish ren was the one who got injured because i know thats the only way haru could actually feel the pain that he put ren through. i hope the author teaches haru a real lesson and he has to face his demons head on. its like you know haru has issues that arent his fault but at the same time, he cant keep reverting back to his old ways, its like hasnt shown any growth and ren has to do the maturing for the both of them, its not fair to ren
also forgot to add that i didnt want to see current haru just yet because in order for haru to truly grow and change is if his 17 year old self learned to cope because its obvious haru hasnt let go of that part of his and has a lot of hangs from that point in his life. like what was the point in having haru lose his memory if he wasnt given time to learn anything
He's obviously naive/dumb and it seems he gives people a little too much credit. I mean did y'all forget jinha practically assaulted siwon at one point but none of you were complaining about him eventually forgiving jinha and continuing to be around him. siwon has never accepted being gay, it's not that easy to accept your sexuality especially when you were forcefully outed. He still doesn't know his heart truly yet and he was thrust into the relationship because jinha was so passionate about him, he ended up being swayed without fully accepting his sexuality. Even though villain has done horrible things to siwon, siwon obviously couldn't help but jump at the smallest chance that he could get an update on jinha.
People here refuse to think about how serious the setting of the story is. I’m sure if anyone was in Siwon’s shoes no one would have acted any differently to everything’s that happened. I can’t dislike Siwon because of that. This isn’t some cheesy ass manhwa where the straight guy just throws himself into the gay world. This is a kid who has been told that being gay is wrong and that being himself is improper and abnormal. Jinha never gave Siwon time, he’s someone that Siwon was hurt by in his childhood so Siwon naturally tried to forget him so it wouldn’t hurt. Then Jinha shows up and is pushing his love on someone who’s been engrained with his societies idealized definition of ‘normal’. Just because someone loves someone it doesn’t mean the feelings have to be reciprocated. Frankly stories end too quickly because of that, we strive for the cheesy happy ending from an easy plot but here we don’t see that happening. The story bends to reality, not our reality, but the reality of South Korean culture. That’s why it’s such a big success in Korean and has continued to be.
Oh please. Stop putting Siwon's mistakes on Jinha. With or without Jinha, Siwon is a whole level of dumb on his own.
Siwon's character is so awful that fans can't even defend him on his own merit, they now resorted to put his shit on Jinha. Siwon is 23 years old, he is accountable for his shit.
He is not a kid. He is an adult. A grown up man. He is 23. If he acts like a child below the age of 10 is on him, not on Jinha. Or actually, on the author who insults everybody intelligence creating a 23 y old character who has the mental capacity of a 'kid' .
How serious of a setting? LOL. This is about a magic stone, what by the way, never got explained because the author didn't care about consistence and jumped into some kink shit for fanservice.
This shit drama of Siwon got old, it got repetitive and the author didn't know what to do with the characters but she didn't want to provide a quality, well rounded closure since she wanted to keep milking the popularity .... so she added the clusterfuck cheap shit that is now. And the Siwon's apologists, not having one real excuse for how this character is so dumb and stupid and annoying have no other alternative that start bashing Jinha --- the most pathetic character in this whole story because not only he never got developed into anything but a boring nagging dude who keeps begging for kiss from a guy who is not into him --- Jinha, on top of being humiliated as background and overshadowed by a new character, on top of getting no tender or sexy or any kind of chemistry with Siwon while the author poured shit between Siwon + creepy, on top of all that, this sad, pathetic MC still ends up being trashed and dragged by Siwon's apologist. I don't know which MC in this story is more pitiful. Probably Jinha because at least Siwon seems to be getting some action with the creep, even though he is an adult, gets treated as a little innocent baby who can't defend himself of even has the balls to own his own mistakes.
I think your user name accurately defines you.
This is just an observation of your comment and others like it. Maturity is acknowledging other perspectives respectfully. You don’t need to agree but you should understand before you talk about your own perspective so you don’t end up looking incompetent. Fans are defending him with more logic then people like you because they acknowledge those perspectives. You imply the fans are inept but when they use facts and sophisticated language it makes comments like yours look inferior because it’s opnion based with no logical support and vulgar language which makes it seem like your unfiltered thoughts are being written without consideration of others.
I don’t like this manhwa anymore than you probably do but I can respect that others have their own opinions and I don’t try to override an opinion by implying mine is more obvious, or common sense.
Siwon seems to have missed the memo that you don't freely get into a car with the man who raped your friend just because you want to gossip about your boyfriend. He's in his twenties attending university and living alone, he was deemed mentally fit to complete his military service yet at NO point, literally no point in this series has he shown the mental capacity you would expect from a healthy adult. He is selfish, he shows more loyalty and trust in the guy who abused him, his friend and his ex and blames everyone for his own faults with zero consideration to their feelings. His character isn't realistic, he also is made out to be a poor defenseless baby rather than an adult who is hurting others and making his own life challenged.
The user name was for Siwon, in case you missed the train.
" I don’t try to override an opinion by implying mine is more obvious, or common sense."
Yet, that's exactly what you just did. "Fans are defending him with more logic then people like you because they acknowledge those perspectives." Says who? the fans, you?
You post is you patting yourself on the back and complimenting yourself for being superior, more articulate and sophisticated while calling off somebody else for writing without considering the validity of the opposing post. By discarding my opinion as 'based with no logical support", what exactly are you doing if not what you just said you are too superior to do?
Fans are defending Siwon with the same old logic any fan trying to defend a poor character does .... they can't really justify his actions so the only alternative is to bring down the other character as so he doesn't look that bad by comparison. There is really no 'logic' or perspective to explain how an adult behaves and acts with the 'naive' mind of a child of below 10. Jinha or no Jinha, Siwon knows very well what Lu Xuan has done so it's beyond 'logical perspective' to explain why this adult man could again act like a defenseless child who needs adult supervision or he gets preyed upon. There is no excuse to explain why Siwon, who should be accountable for his own actions, have his mistakes put on Jinha's back.
All and all, we all think our personal opinions are more obvious, it's the nature of personal opinions but it's ironic that you grant yourself airs of superiority in intellect and miss the irony of your arrogant, self centered reply to me. If you want to show maturity, try a little harder next time.
Out of what I’ve seen most of the fans don’t even bother defending him and when someone does with actual facts people like you s**t on it and spout you stupid nonsense. If you had some more knowledge about South Korean culture then you can talk. Don’t go spouting nonsense just because you can’t even get close to even understanding his character.
Why is everyone including lucaon talking like Lucaon is going to die soon. I did not sign up for main character deaths, I signed up for cuddly and warm moments between Kyon and lucaon
Like you ruined his life in middle school and you also break up with him saying you liked a girl. Then you come back, acting like you are still in love with him but you try sabotage his life again? Like I understand trying to break jiho and soohan up so you can have him ( from a villain standpoint) for yourself but why the hell would you try to ruin his life? Like how does that benefit you? He wasn't even the one who broke up with you, YOU ended the relationship, you were the one who called him disgusting and tried to act like you didn't know him. What the hell did he ever do to you?
Also, what does sunbae gain from seeing jiho hurt? Like I know he's an evil bastard but I can't imagine how ruining the life of someone who did nothing but trust and love you, could make your own life better. If anything he'd have more to gain from sabotaging soohans life.
i wonder what it would take for DG to break off the relationship because it seems like while alex does things that hurt him, hes not really the type to get really mad, instead dg is the type to wonder what he did wrong.
this is supposed to be a sex friendship which means its supposed to be mutual enjoyment, not some master slave rltn where one person makes all of the decisions and the other one just takes it. alex seems to be forgetting that he is not just doing dg a favor, dg is doing him a favor perhaps even more since alex needs dg in order to do his broadcasts
I'd really like to see DG leave or at least threaten to so Alex can discover how much he actually needs/wants him.
Alex didn't told him how much he needed him, smart bitch ^^ And I think he need him because he like him (meanstream plot). Still he could be a nice sex friend at least. I wouldn't like a "all the time angry" sex friend even a famous on Gay web Porn Site.
so in the sequel its said they were dating for eight years in the first chapter. it didnt state their age right? i was guessing they might have started dating in their first year of high school but reading this, maybe they didnt end up dating until the end of high school?
does anyone know their ages at the beginning of the sequel?
or is it just /kinda/ shounen ai but in the end no real romance
No no things will get more steamy from chapter 25 with lots of kisses and it's has 50 chapters of now & still ongoing & i must tell you two love rivals & a bitch comming soon
you really cant choose who you like. jinwoo likes woojung even though woojung treats seohee better than him. seohee likes jinwoo even though jinwoo treats woojung better than her. woojung likes seohee even though she treats jinwoo better than him.
ofc when you like someone you treat them a little differently but its pretty clear that everyone isnt caring for their friends equally like you would normally care your close friends. woojung never seems to care or notice what is going on in jinwoos life, jinwoo never seems to care whats going on in seohee life and seohee never seems to care about whats going on in woojungs life. so much so they cant even notice their friends feelings for them
and on the flipside heres woojung that planned seohees bday party, cooked all the food, rented a pension, and let her be alone with jinwoo and she cant see all hes done for her. whenever woojung is sad, jinwoo is always there to comfort him but he ccant see past his jealousy. and heres seohee who was coldly rejected by jinwoo and yet she is still worried about him and wondering where he is. ofc jinwoo is gay so its not like he can return seohees feelings and same for woojung who is straight (presumably) and cant return jinwoos feelings
Also, why make haru loses is memory, have him hurt ren a ton and then have him get his memories back soon after? I don't like that haru lost his memory but if he was going to revert back to his 17 year old self, I would have liked to see that part of him grow and become closer to ren. So he can truly see how much ten has given him
I know haru loves ren but I feel like if ren asked to break up temporarily or if ren tried to move out for college, Haru would revert back to his old self again and self medicate by sleeping with other people. I say this because I feel like haru needs a real wake up call and the only way that can be done is if they have some real time apart from each other. Haru needs more time to work through his issues and it seems like part of him blames ren which is not good considering how attached he is to ren as well
i know ren already has a good friend at school that he sometimes talks to but he only talks him about surface level things, like sex etc. ren needs another person other than haru to confide in. since haru is rens lover/brother im sure there are things that ren feels like he cant say to haru because of guilt or embarrassment. ren needs a friend who he really connects that is also as intelligent as him. im thinking when/if ren goes off to college he will find a senpai who becomes that friend for him. im not saying i want a love rival for haru, i just saying ren has no one but haru and he needs someone outside of his family to talk to
And there you go, Enomoto-kun.