I dont really like bottom to be buffy like this but art is good so lets go i guess ┑(￣^￣)┍
Ya basic
„oh no, a gay man likes to watch pairings in comics that look like him and his partners, let's quickly downvote him”
You all cuties know that a fact that someone have differet taste than you isnt attack on you personally, right?
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Well, he sure have babyface and is petite but his body look nothing like child. You all have heterocentric beauty standard for men in your mind and clearly don’t know how petite male body can look like. He look young with this copleksion sure but adult. Actually I am in this type too and saying character look like child just because isn’t buffy tall and sharp-faced isn’t cute. For example I am 31, people usually give me 19-22, my partner is 33 and NOT INTO CP jus because they are into me. Maybe stop infantylizing people just because they don’t look like your imagination of how adult male should look like. Go check actual shota, he look nothing like it. And stop virtue signaling, this piece have much more to criticize than fact that bottom is petite with cute face. I saw it many times. Artist who been accused for drawing CP just because she draw character looking like her - petite woman with flat chest. Do you know how fucked up that feel when u are accused of being pedo just because you like to see characters who look similar to how you do? Literally saw photographer being accused of it under one of her own photo. On this photo, it was her who model. Her with her own husband. She was 23 then. Check Laura Makabresku. Also check _fase_rem on ig to look how adult male can look like. I bet you would name their art CP too, just because he base it on himself. And his characters look much less obvious than ml here.
Keep yappin, tht looks like a damn child. And on imma leave
Just let people be uncomfortable instead of defending a hill that's not worth dying on. The bottom being a twink is basically just the topping on a whole cake of shit, so it's really weird that you feel the need to specifically defend that lmao.
im with you on this. he doesn't look shota at all or are they just throwing words? lmao
IKR. Idk why many ppl claimed mc is a child. Ppl who read bl long enough can tell who's the actual child when they see one. Ofc, adult petite uke like this was normal back then (in manga and manhua) before korean manhwa was a thing.
Now ppl demanded more buff and manly uke, petite uke are hard to find (especially in korean manhwa).
Example, in manhwa "Regas" and "Two Empires, The Slave of the Empire", mc started their lifes as normal sized adult but died and reborn as adult with ridiculously small body. Go check them out. Those two paired with overgrown seme. Compared to those two, mc's looks in this story look fine to anyone who reads enough bl
Well, I let them be. But I can be uncomfortable too if people said someone who have very similar body type to me look like child and any sexual context they are in count as CP. That just suck. Should I become asexual because people are uncomfortable with my body type person having sex or becouse of it I don’t have right to seeing representation with this type of completion? I hate being infantylized just because I am adult with short and soft frame and now I can’t even mention it because people are uncomfortable about something they made up in their own heads. I gave examples of literal real people being accused of promoting CP because they literally existing and aren’t ashamed of it but I am odd one for telling you all to literally give us break. You now what is field not worth defending? That adult character in comic is somehow child becouse isn’t all tall and meaty. And yes I am triggered, I have right to becouse this is something I live with. And I already said that this manghwa have much more problematic shit to criticize. I am not writing about it because I think that too so I don’t disagree with people doing pleas about that other shit. I literally suggested that there is that shit worth criticism more than bottom being twink so why you tell this to me and not people yapping about how adult is child because they are thinking small males can’t exist.
That’s literally my body type and I have babyface too. So with your logic I am child too, despite being 31 and soon married. Why I must going to work then and nobody here to arrest my partner. Oh, maybe becouse you just projecting. Better check on why you look at porn and think about kids.
It is ok to be uncomfortable for any reason but that is on them, naming others pedos for don’t having the same association as they, isn’t.
Yk what, that's valid. Let me climb that hill too and derail it slightly because it's not simply the existence of tiny MCs that are the problem here, in yaoi content specifically, but why its so many.
In the 2010's (-ish?) with fujoshi culture on the rise, tiny boy-like MCs were pretty common, and most of the time feminized even further to portray the illusion of a hetero relationship. To appeal to the girlies.
Which isn't the end of the world, but it's become a tired cliche which is made even more questionable by your typical problematic yaoi... tendencies ( say, romantized rape and coercion).
I don't agree with screaming CP asap too, personally never did, but it's understandable to see that flowing into the conversation when it's about the media, why its got to be twinks to begin with. Sure, small men deserve their spotlight, but as I said it used to be very extreme/common to the point where it was questionable.
There are also a few too many yoais out there that just straight up are CP no questions asked, and since this generation abuses the internet on a daily basis, they're also exposed to that too. Add onto that A LOT of news about youtubers and celebrities of THAT kind, and yea you got yourself a lot of increasingly sensitive, even hyper-sensitive, readers.
I'm not saying they're valid, but it's just the reaction to a let's call it tired problem. Just to put a bit of perspective into why everyone's so up in arms.
I don't defend screaming at rl people for having a tiny body but I don't think that's part of the fiction side of things, that's just your usual weirdos trying to be triggered by anything and everything.
AT THE SAME TIME; there's also this thing, about smear campagnes and accussations of CP against gay people, men specifically, by conservative circles. Similar to how trans people got dragged through the mud recently, but that's a whole other essay.
SO let me just turn my og comment around: It's really weird that people would specifically scream about CP in a manwha that's this fucked over all.
Man I wish this comment thread was anywhere else. I could go all day.
Exception doesn't rule, it's general. You having same type doesn't mean everyone has it.
Thank you, I think we can agree on that. I too think it have more complex context and with someone who understand that, I don’t have anything against discussion about it. Fetishization, misoginia, sexual predatory culture and how it all impacts. Let’s add to it SM kinks and it start to be very interesting discussion about psychology and sexuality too. I wouldn’t have anything against this type of conversations here you know. But with people screaming like that, there isn’t really will and room for any conversation. So thank you once more.
Ok and? I didn’t even said everyone have it wtf. I said mc look like adult with this specific body type and that this body type adults exist irl so screaming that he look like child is unjustified at best. unless I missed some moment when it was collectively decided that now each chracter should in some way represent the average features of the entire population, and not specific and individual features that one can have, then I'm sorry, my bad i guess
It triggered majority of the audience. So instead of making points, why don juz accept tht let them sink. If I had baby face then I would actually find it hilarious instead of justifying other people.
Oh no majority, just few demanding loud ones. That they have some sick associations are on them and being triggered by something they created in their heads themselves are on them as well, not my problem at all. No seriously, I refuse to seeing problem in how I naturally look becouse some lightly unstable people having meltdown over fact that drawn character is twink. That actually hilarious request, aren’t you seriously entitled one. What else, should I hold on celibate because I look too young or to petite for a male by standards of few mad fujioshis? That’s kinky, but no.
And I start to think you all are very young and never seen actual child close to think this is how children look like. Again, that your association, not fact. It’s ok but it make u uncomfortable just go elsewhere in place of demanding everyone else's life experience and even psychical body (just wow, are you for real) match your made up standards.
You're missing the point I fear.
People are bothered by twinkification because of the implications, again: not in rl but in media.
None of the readers here are bothered by rl twinks, they're bothered that it's so common in fiction, to glorify being tiny, weak and baby-like. It's completely understandable to be weirded out by that, it IS weird.
How actual baby-faced people are being harrassed in rl has little to do with it, it's related but the problem there is the harrassers, they are the type of people who're searching for any reason to get angry. It's one thing to be bothered by rl people (which is ew-go-touch-grass-behaviour) and ANOTHER to be done with the constant fetishization of tiny men. Especially when that fetishization dips into illigal territory.
TLDR; the issue isn't how you look, it's how many, many authors CHOOSE TO PORTRAY YOUR BODY, and reduce you to a specific child-like as well as sexualized sterotype. That's what bothers people.
Again, weirdos who comment on how your partner may be a pedobear bc of your looks (or whatever other call-out scenario) has little to no relation to that, that's just brain-dead people being weird and exposing their lack of direct daylight to the world. Becuase it's not normal to just go harrass people based on how they look.
This! Couldn't have said it better
You all who arent here for cnc kink and porn, dont do it to yourself, it most propably wont be less disturbing and violent. If you like more plot and some fluff thats nice, perfectly ok and good for you but this is just not place for you, really. Go read something nice, not twisted shit like this (●'◡'●)ﾉ have nice day
IKR
Just scream for help now!! Dont let him believe you doing it on purpose! It is so cruel, that bastard minho just cant with his hurted ego, he is in full psycho mode
EXACLTY WHAT I WAS THINKINGGGG
just yell "help!" or some shit it's not that hard
there is no interesting tension in the plot, the art is getting worse and worse, the relationships between the characters have no sense or depth, everyone are cross-eyed and there is another uncanny valley looking kid. Even smut doesn't have anything interesting in it, at this stage I'm just dropping it because reading it is tiring and it brings nothing, byee
Lmao i thought i was the only one who didn't like the art style. It's good yes but not for me just
Minho can love him, but can he respect him? I dont think so. It is doomed and unfixable already.
You two are absolutely right! That being said, I still like fucked up plots with all sorts of pathologies and violence. I think this is a problem only when you don't understand that it's twisted and you romanticize it. Many stories do this, luckily this one doesn't. And the psychology here is, in my opinion, realistic and very good written. Anyway, I'm here for that drama and angst. But it would be also nice if it could show us healig process later too.
That’s not even spicy hes like straight up mentally abusing the dude, and literally treating him just as his past lovers did how is that spicy that’s just dark
I get you wouldn't want a whole story about a healthy relationship, but I couldn't fucking sleep knowing he ended up with that abusive motherfucker. Like some spice is okay, but uke is so broken. It's so sad. I don't want him to go through that shit
I agree with this!
I think like a dom, him being naive little virgin is turn off… It would be much cuter if autor let him be at last barely whatever experienced. He isnt damn teenager. Sigh… Dom is so good, why bottom must be another super bland both in character and appearance. Is this for self insert purposes? But who is really like that… all people i know, especially the kinky ones have so much more indywiduality. And this bottom, he arent even nice to look at. If he must be uexperienced it dont exclude having at last one interesting feature. Is it too much to expect form main character? To be anything more than plain toast? Most shoujo characters have more substance than him （￣へ￣）
I think you're honestly hating too much, the bottom is a sweet lil cutie like let him breathe we're also only 5 chapters in there's plenty of room for development and growth
I disagree with you, I think it's kinda funny how he doesn't have experience, not everyone loses their virginity in their twenties yk. And like the person above me said: you're hating too much for no valid reason. I also think he looks great, I don't understand what's wrong with him... in my opinion.
It is ok guys, i just dont like this character and i dont like his design either, just really not my type but this is only my feelings, it is totally walid of you have diffrent, i love it for you! Lets hope he will have nice development too and i ewentualny change my mind about him.