how is 165cm midget size are we joking
For a guy it is
It's still nowhere near midget lol, especially in most eastern countries. Small enough to be really notably small would be like 150cm and under.
it is not.
In my country it is
the definition of midget is very small. 165cm is not categorically midget for any human being.
harace’s character is so anthropocentric he sounds stupid. i do think that members of a specific species can often realise the scope of that species failings a lot more jarringly than members outside of that species. thus while i can see that vampires seemingly treated other species like cattle would explain why harace who has been socialised into human society would see such inhumane behaviour to be monstrous, i can’t see how he would generalise that monstrosity into a representation of his whole species (without systemic indoctrination) and i certainly can’t see how heilo indiscriminately killing vampires just because his family was killed by one vampire is somehow a proportionate response and not genocidal behaviour. that’s like saying my family was murdered by clowns so i have to personally assassinate all clowns because they are all capable of annihilating families. its so fucking unserious. literally giving the critical thinking skill of a seven year old. the author who built these characters need to first build themselves.
THANK. YOU. oh my god u said it so well this is exactly how i was feeling about them and their ridiculous morals (or lack thereof) but put much more intellectually lmao
holy shit that jab at the end was wild lmao, i was cackling
hi i just saw your comment i think we were just coming at the same point from two different sides. glad to see somebody gets me ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
between the father brother teacher lover friend bomb and the cliffhanger. im choosing to hyperfixate on the cliffhanger instead. its so ridiculous when they put a white rag over a character’s mouth to knock them out because chloroform is not going to make a grown man drop from a single whiff. they are much more likely to die from suffocation in the time it takes for chloroform to affect consciousness. thus people used chloroform in this manner to kill people not kidnap them. could have just hit him in the head with a baseball bat. much more accurate and would have taken the same amount of panels in a chapterヾ(╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Funnily enough, hitting someone in the head with a baseball bat is extremely unlikely to knock them out long enough. If the person doesn't wake up soon after, they'll suffer brain damage.
yes absolutely. however the point is not to keep them unconscious until location but to get them en route against their will so its much more realistic than chloroform because as an anesthetic chloroform takes like five minutes and that should be more than enough time to knock someone out, drag them to the mode of transport, tie them up, gag them quiet and wake them up. though i dont think the brain damage would be factored into the kidnapping much if the kidnapper’s orders are to deliver the subject without caveats.
whenever i see shit like this, i am reminded of my best friend’s motto: i don’t believe in the prison industrial complex but i do believe in murder. because why drag this out when the plot is thinner than the hair of an unloved white man. put us both out of our misery and pick up the gun babygworl
how is this, i mean lee and han becoming romantic or whatever ┑(￣Д ￣)┍, even supposed to happen exactly? because from where im standing han is no different to lee’s highschool rapists. how can the author even defend him after something like this to justify some resemblance of a happy ending? i mean, im sure we have all read worse, but you cannot possibly tell me that han didn’t know how inexperienced lee was when they didn’t even establish a safe word, the foundation of any bdsm play, let alone an ongoing arrangement, until like the third session?? what also doesn’t make sense to me is why han is even doing pain play at all when no matter how experienced he may seem to lee, who knows nothing, to me hes clearly just making shit up. there is barely any after care, no discussion of protection, whoever uses nipple clamps like han does needs to be bashed in the head with a baseball bat. people get their nipples ripped off that way what is this is man doing? also i saw someone use noncon to describe whats happening here, which is a lot more than most of yall were willing to admit, but its still wrong. noncon starts with consent and this is blackmail, lunches and dinners and sleeping in his bed is not going to change the fact that this is blackmail. the basis of consent is informed and reversible and nothing lee has ever heard of. hes had no choice when his job was on the line and no family or friends to turn to. furthermore there is literally no reason for han to not have known that lee was uninformed about his preferences when he spends what seems the whole day staring at our abandoned in the rain dog of a main character. you’re telling me that this man probably knows the shape of every pore on lee’s face but not see that something was wrong when he was having flashbacks (the ptsd kind not the recall kind) in a session? you’re telling me that a man who knows bdsm wouldn’t think to stop? so what can i assume of this exertion of pain if not malicious intent? how can anyone turn this around and say they didn’t know? does the harm of both triggering a past trauma and inflicting a present harm not matter, if han for some reason no logical nor sense could find, did not know?
i don’t understand what the collective upset over rein’s hot and cold act is about like yes its fucking annoying but her anxiety and distrust and resentment (the driver) was the product of will’s actions. he did that. what did he think would have been the consequence of his manipulation when despite having his memories will never made the effort to be honest. instead he went out of his way to portray himself as the “innocent lamb” that he never was. she literally told him her heart could not take it if he lied one more time and he fucking lied did he not? did he think the woman he has been obsessed with for two lifetimes (because he saw a fucking portrait in an abandoned warehouse - pure unhinged behaviour), someone he called his god his sun his world was a fickle woman who did not do as she said she would? did rein give that impression? wilhelm might have been helpless before but he certainly wasn’t when stole her revenge for himself (the sole purpose of which to reclaim the sense of autonomy lost when she was no longer the noblest lady in the land - the purpose she has been working towards her whole life) and he was not helpless when he backed her into corner despite her pleas to be let go and dont tell me that he was helpless when he raped her for three days. his first life was fucked up and not anything i would wish on my worst enemy but was hers somehow sunshine and roses? rotting away in a land she did not know clinging onto revenge she had no chance of succeeding falling into an inebriated stupor to beg a dead man for a miracle was better? i think i read about twenty consecutive comments saying something along the lines of rein lost her iq after michel died,,, you mean when she gave will a chance to come clean and he didn’t? you mean when rein was betrayed by yet another man? after the last time that happened which to everything that was dear to her was taken away over night? also i don’t understand the bashing ive seen over her being a bad mother to wilroy when theres been not one peep over wilhem being a shit fucking dad the man saw him twice in three years when she raised the boy for three years before handing him over (what was she going to do? say no to the emperor?) so yeah she has been no saint but to act like will loves her when it is his obsession that made her put that blade to her throat and slice because he is fucking radioactive waste is crazy. lets take deeper breaths and be a little more for real.
Periodddddd
Exactly!
Ppl always complain bc characters are too flat but they can't handle complex either. This is one of the few stories where there's a real depth to them. They have flaws and trauma. And I was never surprised by either of their actions. They may not have been justified but they always were understandable.
i love you soooo much for this comment you dont even know sure she's not innocent but brooo will is soo fucked up and manipulative its crazy, how can these people in comments be so braindead
man with world building power doesn’t world build but becomes a cop instead? get the fuck outta my face
??? What else would he become??
sung has a godlike power he could have been and done literally anything else.
Exactly and he chose to live the life as an almost ordinary human, enjoying the things he didn't have a chance to when he was a Hunter fighting for his life. I mean, he is immortal. So after his ordinary life ends, he can go be the god of death, start a new life, allow his soul to enter "oblivion", or whatever else he wants.
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just to be clear i am not against him having as close to an ordinary life as he can because gods know that just a fraction of what he has been through has been hell. i do feel that people don’t acknowledge enough the reasons why he was fighting for his life because he was poor and society left him to struggle for the survival of his family without any support (product of capitalism) and on top of that treated him like shit because he was an e ranker thus weak (product of cishetero patriarchy glorifying physical strength). my point is that he suffered under these sociopolitical institutions that stole so much of his life from him and stopped caring about them when it was no longer him that was suffering. he saved the whole world to leave it to rot. his whole shtick was being a protector so why didn’t he become a paramedic or an educator or run a one man foundation to stop young adults like he once was crumbling with no one to help them and a society that refuse to. he has survived the unbelievable but couldn’t find a way to live a normal life whilst doing something worthwhile with his powers? no. sung jinwoo in his immortal super strength leader of unkillable work force glory topped off the indifference shit cake with being a guard dog for the rich.
I have no rebuttals to this and you're pretty much right from what I can see. I guess the only thing I can say is he doesn't really care about others peoples life (after turning back time) or solving world problems. Idk (〜￣△￣)〜
i think its quite obvious to assume that tak and sanho are ending up together against all of our dismay. but rapist emotionally constipated obnoxious tak is actually the fucking worst whilst sanho is so earnest that it makes him seem a simpleton. thus if he doesn’t actively try to make tak suffer sanho will always be at a disadvantage (which contrary to the portrayal of romance doesn’t actually give him an upper hand it just makes him delusional to the shitty cards he was dealt) so i would rather sanho respond in kind and just straight up torture him because i can’t trust tak to be reformed by love or whatever the fuck anyway since he’s so calculative that if nothing changes its just yet another abusive dynamic in bl and i don’t know about yall but i am sick and tired of men not loving each other right.
that last sentence is the fucking realest. its amazing how realistic it is bc it happens to a lot of closeted men
there is a distinct difference between worrying about your wife because you love her so much and want more than anything for her to live versus controlling your wife because you look down on her and doesn’t see her to be capable of taking care of herself or knowing her limits. it is infantilising and not the first nor the second not even the third time riftan has completely disregarded what maxi had to say or disrespected her abilities in front of other people when she has a long and arduous history of being traumatised and sold off at the hands of an abusive father who acted exactly like that. and yes i am aware that he doesn’t know her history because they have literally never talked about a single thing worth an ounce salt about themselves to each other the way normal people do let alone married but it doesn’t make how he talks down to her any less belittling. a lot of her “independent queen” era is just her constantly having to prove herself to him with no space to grow as a person nor as a healer. riftan is more of a roadblock than he is a supporter. “he loves her so much” “he killed the dragon for her” blah blah blah ok and? she didn’t ask him to do it. in fact knowing maxi she would have explicitly told him not to do it. if his love is a chokehold then perhaps she should love literally anyone else.
Not that I second your opinion here, nor do I object.. I would just like to comment and commend your eloquence here . You write so well, hun!
yeaaaa and it's kinda icky cuz she literally has no autonomy, he's the guy so what he says goes in this time period I guess. idk he could disagree with her pov, but at the end of the day Riftan gets to choose to risk his life in battle and if Maxi respects that, then he should respect her choice too. It's just a red flag that ordering her around doesn't make him feel anything. Like if my mans started telling me what to do, even out of concern for my safety, that's not my mans if he doesn't see me as someone who can literally do whatever I want. Like I'm so sorry but just cuz we married don't mean I need to ask you permission to fight when you're not asking me. Bro...you can't force your partner to do anything and a real man would know that.
the thing is riftan is genuinely so emotionally stunted i can’t even tell if he is concerned for her safety or feel entitled over that safety because he has done so much to ‘earn’ her. and not being able to tell makes his pattern of behaviour where he orders maxi around as if she is beneath him even more jarring. like it is giving insecure tyrant. it is giving man child. she is considering having his kids and riftan be out here acting like one.
exactly, like we’ve had enough of men telling women what to do in romances. I still rlly have high hopes for this one, like I thought by now he would have figured out what kind of life she had growing up (he still thinks she had a noble woman upbringing), but hopefully since this doesn’t look like it’ll be over anytime soon we’ll see some character growth. I just wish he understood that you can show concern and even reject Maxi’s thinking without minimizing her as a person which literally everyone around her did to make her self esteem go that low. now she’s in a place where him saying “I’d rather die” won’t cause her to loose all her progress, but in the past it could have and i’m soooooo disappointed he would say something like that KNOWING who Maxi is
The previous comments I can understand, but not this one. Riftan being entitled of "earning" Maxi should never be thought of as the man himself do not think he would ever deserve a woman like her.
A knight's mindset will always be to put a lady's safety a top priority. Regardless of what her desire is, if he knows your life will be in grave danger, no questions asked, you need to kept away from that. Now add that to the fact that this knight is your husband. The man who was always a breath away between life and death as he did not see his life that significant, but a dream of you and life wins his subconscious and continues to embark a journey he never planned. But again a word about your possible presence within his reach and he threw away all that irresolute just to get a glance of even just your face. And he, a lone mercenary became the greatest out of sheer will to see you.
No man child will ever think of building a grand life just in the case he will have you in his life and provide all that's worthy of your value.
first off, in what handbook does it specify that “a knight’s mindset will always be to put a lady’s safety a priority”? under charlamagne knights were given full education and under william the conqueror knights were of such volume they were left illiterate but the uniting factor is that knights killed people, they were an emperor or a king’s most reliable weapon of war because they were so good at killing people. a knight’s actual mindset is slaughter. throughout history knights have pillaged entire villages and raped women and girls as war prizes in their victory. rape is still used as a weapon of war today and the knights are the modern history it came from. the idea that “a knight’s mindset will always be to put a lady’s safety a priority” is from the concept of chivalry which is an informal code of conduct that valued things like loyalty (to the king that ordered you to kill people) and valour or bravery (in combat where you rob people of land and resources). chivalry never meant protect the weak nor did it mean anything along the lines of “put a lady’s safety a priority” unless if the lady’s safety was king’s orders. the romanticisation of chivalry as the height of masculine behaviour was adapted in 19th century literature to explain and glorify the way knights seduced noble women and girls that their honorary title gave them access to but no future with. it was never proper masculine behaviour, it was always manipulation in order to get a woman in bed.
secondly, if you are going to say “regardless of what her desire is” then you have swerved far past the point where he is acting like a man child as the evidence of man child behaviour stare you dead in the eye. adult people who see each other as equals do not disregard the other’s desire because their explicit desires stated is the first sign of consent thus if he values her safety over her consent then he does not respect her consent seeing maxi to be beneath him the way an owner might pick up a pet even if it doesn’t want to be picked up because what the owner wants trumps in value.
lastly, it is delusional to say that “no man child will ever think of building a grand life” because that is all child like mentalities ever think of. the grandest things. and even more delusional to say “worthy of your value” when he literally knows nothing about maxi to even begin to comprehend her value. riftan sees maxi as this beloved spoiled daughter that he had to kill the unkillable in order to be with. we both know that daughter does not exist. therefore only possible to infer that riftan does not even begin to grasp her value when the things that she assigns of value in regards to herself such as healing and magic castle management riftan has only never showed her support to pursue what makes her happy but has instead impeded maxi multiple times in pursuing them further because all he wants is a damsel trapped behind bars waiting for him to get home. like some kind of fairytale. as if a child.
this floored me, everything I didn’t know I was feeling in wordsbut yea I feel like sometimes “what someone wants” can be seen as irrelevant in comparison with what we think that person needs (how Riftan sees Maxi), but that’s literally what makes everyone a person, yes maybe it’s for Maxi’s benefit that she not get involved, maybe she’ll come to regret ever wanting to become a Mage, but even just her believing that she can change for the better is so so important. Maxi is learning her worth, that she’s not just here because she’s alive, but that she has a purpose. I think she even told Riftan that the thing she hates the most in the world is herself. I don’t believe that you can truly care for Maxi without thinking about why she said that. I have ppl in my life that I would quite literally die for, like no thought to it, if my sister was abt to die ooooo we pulling a I’ll catch a grenade for you. even then, if she came to me and expressed that she needed to do something or her spirit would die, I would do everything I could to help her achieve whatever that is. Girly you wanna fight on the front lines???? when we joininggg???? This is a silly scenario, but what people want is connected to their purpose in life and if not doing what Maxi feels she needs to do would kill her spirit, girly we becoming mages together. There are people who, knowing they’d die, risk themselves to save someone they don’t know because that’s who they are and wouldn’t be living if they weren’t themselves. If my sister was that person(if she were in Maxi’s position), I love her and respect her enough to accept it. Like to me when I see Riftan saying how much he cares abt Maxi I just get annoyed. I’m not even married to Maxi yet why would I treat her better that you her husband??? Possessiveness (however hot the character (I understand, I get it)) is not real love. And y’all I’ve read them all like I am the first person to say “it’s fiction it’s not real life” but you don’t see me talking abt how Edward Cullen is the epitome of what a real man is. No matter how much I love my bad boyzzz and my red flags not for one second would I ever believe that what Riftan feels is true unconditional love than if he let her go. Quite literally: if you love her let her go. lmaoooo like it’s not a lieeee, that’s what unconditional love actually is and you can’t fall into that trap of thinking otherwise. “I can fix him” is something I say everyday, but as a person who has people I love, all those characters don’t got nothing on me, they don’t kno me!!!!
For all I know, I am reading Under the Oak Tree. I wouldn't dare interpret the author's writing nor evaluate the poor characterization of the leads because I have extensive perspective and knowledge on what should be and what not should be.. And, compare them to this and that. My focus is on the flow of THIS story.
I love this writing so much, and Maxi and Riftan, however it did not occur to me that some would think otherwise of how the author had portrayed them. Maybe that's the beauty of it too. Everyone has something to say. But this was too heavy to handle. As it seems you are adamant in dismissing the balance of the script and I feel like I am being dismissed as well for trying to reel in a perspective that seems like 360 to yours, and as much as I want to receive and respect the opinion, I am not getting the same notion. So as to stop spoiling my love for this manhwa, I will hand you over the floor and mute this thread.
Sankyu for the handful of studies, by the way. Not that I deemed them relevant to my understanding of the story, nevertheless, thank you~
“in the end the origin of species is love” hits so hard