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krista would have sexually assaulted henry if he wasn't resisting the potion so much. she was doing whatever she could to get henry to marry her and undermine navier's position even after being warned so she was indeed a threat. the rest of the family just snowballed after her

No like I get that. But what I don't like is the way everything was handled after. He KNOWS she'll commit suicide if he sets the right conditions and he wants that ending. He also didn't let her family go and continued to torment them afterwards albeit indirectly. I'm not saying that he's wrong for punishing her but this isn't the only reason why I started disliking him, many novel readers I know also feel icked by Heinry because he acts innocent and babied with Navier but in reality he's a manipulative controlling person. There are some things other characters wouldn't have done had he not triggered things, plus he's also extremely biased with their future kids. He doesn't like his son just because he doesn't look like Navier. Another thing is with Duke Ergi, they colluded so Rashta would continue to fuck up over and over again. Sure Rashta still acted upon them herself but there were a lot of times she was tricked and pushed into doing the wrong things even when some of her 'wrongs' could've been 'rights' had they stopped their relentless manipulation of her and just advised her properly

Don't get me wrong Heinry is a good husband, but he certainly is not a good person.

Also he approached Navier with intentions while she was still a MARRIED WOMAN, and sneaked into her room as a bird to sleep with her. It looked satisfying and romantic before but now its just weird

he definitely isn't a good person, but most romance manhwas these days have male leads with that type of act. manipulative and/or controlling and vengeful towards anyone who messes with them or the female lead so i don't judge him personally and see this more like a common trope of the genre. for sure, he could have handled things a lot better with Krista and her family, but I personally don't see him as particularly much more problematic than those other yandereish male leads...but i understand your point of view

I honestly started liking him more because of him not always being a good person. I feel like it makes him more human than anything, many mangas I’ve read the ml is always a good guy pretending to act all big and bad. But for him he reacts more humanly than anything (minus the torture ) how I see it is if he treats his wife and kid and civilians appropriately then I ain’t got no problems

Most Kings we know have done it worse though...and those people who went against that kind of King know the outcome of their actions. And yeah I support whatever ML is doing. If villains can do bad things, it just shows that he can do it worse....they shouldn't have started it.

But the thing is he does/n't . It's 50/50, he's good to Navier but he's also tricking her to believe he's this puppy archetype of a person and lies to her about certain things to get her to love him more, but it's not that harmful and I can let it pass. But something that icked me along with his cruelty is him as a father, he showed lots of signs of favoring his daughter over his son and he (along with Navier) barely provided them with proper guidance concerning their futures and ambitions

I understand that but as a reader there's this one thing my brain abides to, if the main characters take too little revenge for what they've suffered I feel that they're too lenient and get disillusioned, but if they take too much revenge for how much they suffered I feel like they're going overboard and start feeling for the villains, and for me Heinry is the latter. I get it, they fucked up, but at the same time they didn't fuck up SO MUCH that it warrants Heinry tormenting everyone in her family and kicking them while they're already down

Thinking back on it if he didn't manipulate the situation so that Krista would kill herself and just executed (like what he wanted to do) her fairly like a normal human being instead of barricading her in a fucking house with no way out and mentally fucking with her by using that indirect torture + his leverage of her family, the brother wouldn't have gone batshit crazy about his one and only sister he loved who he thought died for other reasons and Navier probably wouldn't have gotten caught up in it either

Same, I like imperfect characters just like people.
Like damn, he IS a king you know......and a good one, definitely NOT a tyrant or abuser, he's a smart man that knows his ways around politics.

I draw my line at saying someone is pitiful or a good person when they ATTEMPT SEXUAL ASSAULT like his sister in law

I don't know how people want him to act He IS a king, He is not supposed to go forgiving people and giving them passes left and right

No opinion here, but I gotta say this is the most detailed and peaceful discussion of opinions I’ve seen on any comment section and I’m all for it. Love to hear all sides.

Don’t forget that Niver didn’t know at the time before she was married to him that he was the bird, she thought that it was just a Plan old messenger bird and don’t forget that Henry is from a clan too the birdbrains

Yeah Navier has no fault in it at all but in Heinry's part, getting close to a married woman knowingly in your bird form is kindaaa

Ik that, I'm not judging him based on his abilities as a king but my feelings and views about him as a reader

Like I said before in one of my previous replies my brain abides to this thing "if the main characters take too little revenge for what they've suffered I feel that they're too lenient and get disillusioned, but if they take too much revenge for how much they suffered I feel like they're going overboard", I never said that he should just let the act pass, he definitely should've punished Krista bc if Krista did succeed even if it's just sowing misunderstanding there definitely would've been an impact in his reputation. I'm not icked because he punished them, I'm icked about the WAY he punished them + some other things I've already mentioned. I agree imperfect characters are nice, but I'm starting to get more and more disillusioned with Heinry, had they made the villains less morally grey and not just people who just did the things they did because they want to hold on or survive maybe I wouldn't have minded too much

I get were your going with it but also don’t forget that Niver has no knowledge of what he is doing behind her back as in his other personality she only only knows the sweet and kind Heinry and the bird Heinry after she got married

Yeah, I don't have anything against Navier at all lol just Heinry

let's not overestimate his cute act or underestimate navier's wit... the same way navier discovered about the western kingdom's plan to wipe the eastern kingdom's mages and that henry was planning a war, she's not fooled by his cutesy act. She might not know everything he did to krista's family in detail, but she knows he is ruthless. She KNOWS who she is dealing with. sovieshit was just like that too and navier was fine with it. she just needed someone who she could trust to be her partner. someone she could trust to not betray her.

Yeah but like, I'm not Navier, like good for her but I still feel the same way about Heinry BC he's done quite a few things that icked me quite a bit

yea, you have a good reason, i'm not judging you fr... i was just replying that comment from user star moon because we can't say navier is completely clueless in this whole thing. she's aware even if she doesn't know the details

Yepp

She always finds out one way or another of what goes on around her

The author clearly made him this way for a reason maybe it was to show not all ml are goodie tissues or maybe they wanted to show that even ml’s have bad sides/flaws, idk tbh I don’t really care navier is smart if she doesn’t want to be with him anymore I’m sure she would divorce him just like she did with the other guy, or at least she seems pretty calculated to me, I’m just saying I’d prefer a ml like this than a ml that doesn’t have any flaws or is always doing the “right thing”

I don’t feel sorry for them, they hurt Navier who had nothing to do with the situation. Trying to kill a pregnant woman was taking things a step too far even for Heinry