idk i think everyone is being a bit too harsh... yes Ian wasn't great but you need to understand these were not the thoughts of a mentally stable man, both in the past and the present. Love is a double-edged sword. The society they are living in is harsh on those with disfigurements, even more so than it is now. She has rejected him more than once. when he proposed as a 'healthy' bodied man, she said no. When he came back with injuries the now nurse proposed herself, and he'd heard the words of her father describing him as basically a meal ticket. he was suffering from PTSD, coming off a warfield where scepticism could save your life, he had every right to be apprehensive. Fmore she rejected his efforts at keeping her out of prison, choosing not to stay by his side but go to jail. Things were bad enough that a brokie noble in name was going to be with someone of such high standing, but now an ex-convicted?? It was truly the severing of their relationship. I understand her choices were rooted in her inner values, but i don't see him as being unworthy of reconciliation...
Our trauma isn't our fault but it is our responsibility. Saying abuse is okay because the abuser was abused in the past is how we get generational cycles of abuse.
You're 10000% correct, abuse is a cycle, and it takes personal involvement to end it. I don't see Ian as not having done the work upon his return. In the past she died too quickly for us to see changes pass. He had the electric chair treatment, which truly sealed his fate. He had a mental illness and lost his identity at that point. When you reference abuse, I think you're referring to him basically holding her in captivity in their previous life which she had every right to escape from even if she held empathy for him, in such situations you should always pick yourself. in her second life i don't think he abused her (Correct me if i am wrong) what I am saying is i dont think he is deserving of this much stick, his choices and ideas were logical i dont think he is a bad guy fr
Op has amazing takes
You’re totally right ! I probably wouldve done the same thing as her, all we mean in the comments is that a little more angst/yearning wouldve been fun/satisfying to read bahahaha. But the way things are going rn is pretty realistic
I agree! People refuse to see the underlying reason or conflicts of these characters and I think they’re both complex in a way that some people can’t understand. This manwha is also a representation of the reality of war and the a trauma that one gets from it. I understand the take that sure the reconciliation was a little rushed. But I don’t think people should downplay Ian so much like this and her as well, after everything they’ve been through.
I don't personally dislike Ian really, especially as a character. I think he works well for a more mature romance about redemption or second chances. I think most people's issues, and mine, is that the reconciliation was not written well. It's just very suddenly plopped down on our laps and they did not have a proper talk, or at least one where we as an audience could understand them both (to give them the benefit of the doubt we just kind of guess their hangups and such but we aren't properly shown really).
I'm not. You're acting like he did nothing wrong when he still has a pathological victim complex in this life, including shunning/punishing Madelyn for not accepting his help and then acting as if him literally ignoring her in prison was her fault. He has no ability to look inward and instead lashes out and projects on others. His refusal to apologize or admit fault means that he places that emotional burden on others -- Madelyn. He is a damaged person but we should not excuse his emotionally abusive and toxic tendencies
By that same argument, you're "refusing" to acknowledge that people who have undergone trauma can also perpetuate abuse and hold them responsible for their own toxic tendencies. You don't have to try and downplay people's understanding of a story to make your point.
hmm I see what you mean, the comments i saw were basically saying why would you get back with him and saying its unfathomable and thats what was bothering me. TBF can we say they have fully reconciled? Yes, they announced they still have feelings for one another, and as a reader we saw them both being filled with yearning unable to forget each other, but they still aren't in a relationship. i think the last chapter was more of a getting on the same page, and starting from zero. Hopefully, the upcoming chapters give us what we're looking for in more unified dialogue instead of individual thoughts and yearning.
cool inih icba
Everyone saying bear is wrong is just ... no. Heo is being selfish. The least you can do if you truly care and RESPECT someone is let them go if you can't meet them halfway. 12 years is a long time to stand next to someone you love and have them not see you. Now I'm gone, you get to mope around feeling sorry for yourself??? Seo had to watch you futilely chasing someone happy in a relationship, and because his love was real, he wanted you to be happy even though it hurt him. In the end, you lost to Bear but still couldn't let that go. Why should he stay? The final result was a loss Geon won but you still didn't look his way. He had to FINALLY pick himself. Now he's gone, you're seeing his love and care for you everywhere, suck it up!! If you love him even as a friend, you should be wishing him well in whatever he is doing, not feeling sorry for yourself; even now, you're only thinking about yourself. Bear was simply letting him see the bigger picture. He was so tunnel vision on his first love, he treated seo like an assistant frfr not just his work, but also in his attempts to get his first love to love him back, and now Seo is gone, you're smelling his suits and clenching his pillow? LLOOOOOOL PLEASEE. This isn't the behaviour of a man who lost a friend. Get real, that's all Bear is saying.
Because they are friends, that's why, what Bear said pisses me off. I know in this case, he will end up falling in love with the assistant but I know if I personally learned that my bff had a crush on me and then dropped off the face of the earth, ghosting me and all, I would be fucking CRUSHED cus she's someone Im close to. I'd probably cope similarly to Frenchie over here.
This isn't just losing an employee, it's losing a best friend of like 15 years, so what Bear said is just hella fucking insensitive in general
I know it's not just about losing an employee; I've lost friends I've had for years. I was upset, most definitely, but I took a look in the mirror. Part of getting over something is reflection, seeing the pros, the cons, what went well, even better if's etc. He's not doing that; he's relishing in self-pity, that's what makes him irritating to Geon. Yes, you lost out on having him as a friend, but he had to pick himself. He couldn't stop loving you romantically, and being in a friendship when your intentions aren't platonic is toxic, so he left. it was hard for him, too. Wanting him to stay/come back when you can't offer him that is horribly unkind, and again selfish. Hey, I'm not saying he can't be upset and sad, I'm simply saying Geon wasn't wrong, and i don't think it was insensitive. No one was giving it to him straight Sometimes you need someone else to hold the mirror up so you can take a good look at yourself, ya know what I mean?
i put a shurg emoji so idk way
Yeah I get that, but Geon should not have been that person, they are not close, he had no right to act so rude towards him. It felt like telling a person going through a breakup to "get over it" it was still disrespectful as hell imo
AHHH NOOOO I NEED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS NEXT. SHIT I'LL LEARN JAPANESE MY GODDAMN SELF. I NEED TO KNOWWWW
Ten days felt like a month after chapter 76 left us . I am soo happy JK is so gung ho about things, he realised his feelings and dived straight in. he didn't shy away from anything, it may seem like a 180 but from when he met the actor (who's with potato now) it was obvious he had caught feelings. Who knows, Dan may be his new reason as ultimately his Jinx is built on tension, sex was never the answer it was the calm it brought him... love may be his new 'calm'
SENSATIONAL body of work, done just right! You can't help but love them, the humour, their relationship and its development were soo authentic and genuine. I lol'd fr reading this. will be recommending
we went throuh a lot to get here but HYUNSOO. THAT COMMUNICATION. MESMERISING. We love growth and boy has he made me proud.
Indeed. ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
I'm failing to see the 'good communication' or the cuteness in the chapter. Okay, he found out the truth about what was in the package, but what makes you think I want to deliver said pictures to your ex-boyfriend? It's bad enough that I had to work with the guy who was in your guts and ruined your mental health, but now I'm seeing him in real AND he is the one who has to explain the story? IDK, maybe it's just me, but my pride would not let me swallow that.
Suddenly, it feels like Baek has 'one up on me' just from being given the opportunity to tell me I started off as a replacement. Honestly, if the shoe was on the other foot, I think Joo would get it immediately. That's something you'd rather hear from your person, not your 'enemy' => using that word lightly, but you get what I mean...
It's not GOOD communication but it's communication and it's not a misunderstanding by any means. It's an ugly truth and while it should have been delivered better, they both are aware of each other's feelings and are trying to sort them out together and that's a plus. Not every healthy relationship can do everything right
Okay, fair enough, no one likes being the bearer of bad news, but he could've picked ANYONE to tell him that information, i.e. the producer guy who is getting married, the female friend they share (I'm forgetting characters, but you know what I mean) but you chose the EX-BOYFRIEND. I'm trying so hard to rationalise this, but it fails every time.
I even realised it's not communication because he didn’t do/say it LOL, he passed the baton to someone else. He didn’t communicate a damn thing. He led him to the information and waited for the shit to hit the fan. I get it worked out in the end, but I do not see the magic that everyone else is. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
That was so sexy. WTF! I didn't know seeing him do this in a uniform would be so sultry. damn. I see the vision scary face.
You didn’t have a crush on your teacher love. You were groomed
I think it's more like he mistook the concept of wanting to have a parent figure to a crush
It just hit me. Cirrus is mentioning this story because he wanted to know if Skylar would really stand by him even if his past is shitty. Cirrus believes this situation leaves a stain on his character and might be a reason for Skylar to look at him differently...The way he internalised this whole situation! It truly depicts how victims of SA feel.
Excellent writing!!
Ahh I see what you mean... the English literature babe in me went overload and may have over-analysed
I feel like that's something he hasn't fully realised himself. He understands the idea but hasn't made it his own reality. by saying he had a crush, then later saying he wished his teacher could've been his dad, he knows the difference but somehow still frames himself as a participant in the fuckery. crush = sexy vibes when, in reality, it was completely parental, and he was taken advantage of. ramble over <3
Well said
okay but now I NEEEEED CHAPTER 15. I NEED IT!!!! Manga's are such painful reads because the updates aren't weekly a grl can't cope