DaddyMilkers's Topics (149)

How about we ask the men why they draw anime girls like. Big boobs, voice effect, running and walking style style. They fetishize and sexualize them as well…you have no point as well.

have you considered reading something else?

Ya know how when women bring up rape, and then some asshole says "what about when men get raped"?
Not because that guy cares, but because they use that as a "gotcha" on women expressing their pain?
To get them to shut up.

That's you, but with gay men.

I never said that yuri and josei or whatever it's called isn't fucking flawed too.

But that's not the topic I was talking about, because this story isn't lesbian nor heterosexual.

So don't put words in my mouth.

why did you make this a competition lmfao

For real.

Both troupes have flaws, but shouldn't be used to excuse the other.

It's like when people ask if rape or murder is worse; like, my guy, they're both bad?

Why are people putting things against each other to try and lessen the seriousness of another topic/person.

I just don't get it
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made me laugh actually lol "men and their blah " i was like uh thats terrible too ? ok and?????? anything else u wanna add thats *relevant* to the discussion? lmaooo

Literally

That laugh emoji is so extra #－.－)

Is there any rap* ?? Or cheating ? Or love triangle ??

Yes.
In the beginning there's rape, but not by the main top (vampire).
Cheating... no, just more rape.
Love triangle? Sorta, but mostly pain, rape, and betrayal.

Sounds like a lot of rape, which even just once is too much tbh, but it's really only in the beginning; besides flashbacks in the story.

Woww .. is that still worth to read ??

Yes.
I'd say it's one of the few rare yaoi's where I'd recommend it, despite the rape.

But if you've been abused and raped, or very empathetic to it... I wouldn't recommend this.

It really is heartbreaking.

I almost cried a few times, and did cry towards the end.

I can't say more though, or it'll spoilt it.

Then , i don't want to read it , i just want to heal my self from reading something wholesome

I don’t think there’s much forgiveness he deserves. I mean I know he did all of that to save chi-hwan so that’s forgivable to me. But then going on to basically torture both chi-hwan and sooin? And then even after death, when he got what he wanted he again went after both of them? Nah he doesn’t deserve anything and I wish he had a more painful death

Two things can exist at once.
You can feel empathy for their past self, while condemning the current abusive self.

then don’t read it ez

Leave. :) The door's that way. -->

You guys seriously only want constant depressive emotions?
That ain't good for you.
You also need humor, laughter, lightness, and other silly emotions.

Fr

I mean I understand what you mean, but with everything, there's genres and preferences, on days where I feel like I wanna read something with more comedy I know I won't reread this manhwa, but sometimes u wanna read something serious no?

never said that, just read smth else

we want character development and it seldom happens when everythings sunshine and rainbows. also considering everything they JUST experienced humor is far from appropriate

We will get it...this was the last hurdle. After dealing with grandpa they'll move together and have all those cute, fluffy, smexy times idk exactly when though...it may take time or not

I don't need cute, fluffy, nor even sexy.
I need there to be some humor.
Like gawd damn, that constant seriousness is horrible for the heart, brain, skin, and prematurely ages you.
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It takes like a couple of hours if u were going to read this all in one go, I think the human body can handle a couple of hours of seriousness

I'm not that weak I can handle that much seriousness. Besides....it is necessary. It's the process to a happy ending afterall

It feels like eating too much candy.
Makes me sad and tired

Ig I'm a red flag??

no LITERALLY! i get preferences but wouldnt most ppl at least try?

its fine to have preferences but it makes zero sense to never try. the reason why almost all BLs are that strict with roles is cuz theyre written by women who are writing from the heteronormative lens

I think they're talking about themselves. It doesn't make zero sense for someone to not try. Nobody has to try anything if they don't want to. It's up to the person at the end of the day. Some of you really have to stop with this because it's seriously getting ignorant in the comment section.

babes the only reason a gay man wouldnt try (other than a medical condition) is internalized misogyny and homophobia. and there ARE homophobic gay ppl

how is it ignorant?? isnt it more ignorant to be weirdly mad at the ppl upset about being baited? like if ppl are that upset about the possibility of switching theres something wrong upstairs. cuz those ppl and the female authors are sooo obsessed with putting these fully grown gay men into boxes.

ur also ignoring the most important part of this thread which is there is a reason why BLs rarely include switches. its heteronormativity, and often gender roles as well (not as much for this one cuz the bottom is still masculine but still most other BLs portray the bottom as feminine, cant get off without butt stuff, etc)

Sorry, but you don't know that. You don't know each individual or what they prefer or what their mind set is. The fact that you're even trying to make this type of argument based on people you don't know is weird.

im obviously talking in general, but YOUR weird for defending straight female authors making heteronormative content and putting the characters into boxes they dont need to be in. idk what kind of projection is going on but you need to assess your own beliefs.

and AGAIN you are ignoring the meat of what ive been saying and the larger issue in BL with heteronormativity and gender roles, acting like the bottoms literally cant top anymore cuz theyve become a woman

I'm literally talking about irl? The person replied to is a gay male.

imma say for like a third time, stop responding if ur gonna ignore the meat of what im saying.

Just like you're ignoring mine and pretty much made assumptions.

Because literally where did I defend anything? I though you were talking about that person and irl queer men SPECIFICALLY.

Literally this

Also regarding this, no I did not. That's just your assumption because you don't have me doing any of that nor have I ever done that. But what you did was generalize gay men who don't like or want to switch (whether top or bottom). You don't know even a fraction of gay men in this to be saying things like that and yes it's WEIRD.

Some of you in this comment section are so "progressive" to the point that you're regressive.

in this world*

Agreed. Honestly, gay men who are strictly top or bottom exist and considering them a red flag is stupid. Kittykat saying some bs. Nobody should have to try something they don’t want to

wah wah wah. we all know that its mostly men who dont want to bottom, and its because of internalied misygony most of the time (i clearly said medical reasons are an exception). bottoming is associated with being feminine because youre recieving, and gay men are just as capable of being misogynistic.

cry me a river?? im allowed to talk generally and i said medical reasons are an exception. there absolutely is a misogyny problem among gay men and it often manifests in some of them refusing to try to bottom.

because thats NOT THE POINT. the point of all of this was that vast majority of gay men have at least tried both ways, and most are some degree of switch, yet vast majority of BLs have strict roles. so no, its not realistic as a whole. idk what kind of projection bullshit ur sniffing but get over it and learn some reading comprehension

and btw if u comment at me again about stuff that is totally tangential and dumb im blocking u. the entire point is that having the vast majority of BL have strict roles is BECAUSE OF HETERONORMATIVITY AND GENDER ROLES. its not based on the minority of irl gay men who are strictly tops or bottoms. USE UR BRAIN????

Nobody is crying but you. You can't even refute, because again just like with a lot of what you spew, it was an assumption.

Also, you are generalizing period. You can talk all you want, but in the end that's exactly what you did. Once again YOU don't know the reason why someone doesn't want to switch and just want to top or bottom. YOU don't know even a fraction of gay men to make such a generalization. If a guy wants to just bottom, then that's his right and vice versa.

Yep. As I've said, some people in this comment section are so "progressive" that they are being regressive. It's weird.

Yeah ;-; they need to chill. I’m not even against switch but generalizing real people who don’t want to try to switch pisses me off. You shouldn’t need a reason, you should never be forced to do something you don’t want to.

Yesss, they really do need to chill. Generalizing real people and saying ignorant stuff is not the right way to go about things. In the end people can do what they want. If they want to try out or be vers? Cool. If they don't? That's cool also.

It's the same thing in fiction for me. If the couple is verse? Cool. If not? That's cool too. I just like a good story, so I don't care what position(s) the couple prefer (if there's sex).

Then 90% of manhnwas are red flags. What are we gonna read?

Personally I don't care . As long as both parties enjoy. But if one party shows resistance , or asks for a switch. Then that is whole another matter.
Real life doesn't work like this. People get what they side they want.
Most of This is a women drawn work specially catered to please women audience.
Nothing to be taken seriously. Just enjoy your dopamine.

With my bottom line being both sides enjoy pleasure.
Atleast this thing is better than Jinx , where poor dude is getting sexually abused on daily quota basis. Dude never got a chance to ever top , atleast Seth here adopted very soft consent full approach.
peace.

we all know that the BL genre has serious issues on multiple levels, this isnt new info

we're allowed to generalize if its recognizing a pattern. its called sociology. in no way is it supposed to apply to every single individual, which is painfully obvious. and also, its not my fault if you cant see the deeper issues in this genre, because BL has serious issues that need to be called out, and the strict heteronormative roles is one of them. this is about the larger picture so dont even engage in the conversation if you cant think critically

i was calling out a pattern, which is called sociology. no one said it applies to every individual, its a pattern. i was talking about the true reason why most BLs have strict roles and its heteronormativity, yet yall just wanna pick holes in irrelevant shit. dont even engage in the conversation.

this has got to be the most braindead conversation ive ever had. this is about the AUTHORS OF BL, most of whom are STRAIGHT WOMEN with heteronormative ideals. this is NOT about real fucking gay men, though i did mention them because most are some level of switch which i keep fucking saying. im gonna say it AGAINL: stop responding if youre not going to have a basic level of critical thinking and just distract from my point. oh my god you cant be this braindead youve gotta be like 14

also, this is sort of besides the point, but as ive already said, its pretty common for strict tops to have internalized misiogyny and homophobia. NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE, but its a PATTERN. but also, the true red flag that this original comment is referencing is about the heteronormativity of the STRAIGHT FEMALE AUTHORS.

i mean people are allowed to criticize 1) switch bait and 2) the overwhelming heteronormativity in BL as a whole

How is that hetero normative? Not all gays are switch you know? And do you really think the author cares about your opinion? Just because it's heteronormative should women stop being held and should peg their husband just to try???

this is laughable. its heteronormative because its ALMOST THE WHOLE GENRE of BL that has strict roles when real gay men often switch. the reason is literal heteronormativity, because men and woman cant switch (excluding pegging which is not a societal norm). this is about the larger picture. its mostly straight women who write these, not actual gay men, and thats why we see this. so before u get aggressive, maybe try actually thinking about it.

It's true.
Strict tops are often hetero-lite.
They're very toxicly masculine about it.
Strict bottoms are also afraid to lose their femininity if they top.
But, like, they're gay so who fucking cares about stereotypical heterosexual roles.
Such bullshit

The good shit, instead of settling ╮(￣▽￣)╭

But real talk; it's one thing to read what's available,it's another thing to not criticize the toxic shit inside of it.

Let's use Killing Stalking as a classic example.
It has murder, torture, rape, incest, manipulation, and more shit.

They technically have gay fucking in it; but the story isn't BL, it's psychological thriller.

There's the fans that read it and acknowledge how horrifying it is; then there's fans that read it and think it's "hot."

Nothing wrong with reading something, so long as you think critically about it.

Similar to how we have documentaries of murderers, and I'm pretty sure most of us say that shit is fucked up, and wouldn't defend it.

I'm using extreme examples, but I'm just using it for the sake of explaining why it's important to acknowledge what you're reading may be wrong, and to call it out.

Before y'all continue debating this:

Switch is a term for a BDSM relationship dynamic.
That person can be a dom or sub.

Versatile is a term in a sexual dynamic.
(Originating in the gay community)
They can either be a top or bottom.

For example; someone can be a top yet be a switch.
Someone can be versatile yet be a dom.

BDSM:
Dom = dominating
Sub = submissive
Switch = can be dominating or submissive

Sexual:
Top = doing the fucking
Bottom= getting the fucking
Versatile/Vers = can either get fucked or give a fuck

First thing first. We're reading illegally here so no matter how much we shout its not going to change anything. You can use author's Twitter handle to criticize in a healthy way. There you'll see results either positive or negative.
About switching my opinion is quite soft . I don't mind what author give me actually. They can switch, they can't.
Both parties need to enjoy. Like here Theo was willing to take Seth , so what's the issue?
It would be interesting to see this switching topic raised in comment sections of Jinx , Viewfinder , Limited run , passion or salty lust .
Here atleast Theo had an option, something to choose. Unlike others where their identity is set as Bottom one .
This is a beautiful story. Fresh Breeze . 100× times better than the garbage being served as sexual assault, Rape, Stockholm syndrome,rich seme vs poor uke,debt,doormat uke .
Female authors somehow appreciates this setting, let them enjoy what they draw its their work after all.
Too much opinions , too much interferences can ruin that spirit.
Maybe you can drop a message on Twitter to make Seke plot next time. Me too will love to read it.
This comment section which was calm as a deep ocean before somehow got ignited after that particular episode , turned into this controversial content.
This story is like a breather to me . I read this to calm my mind after reading other shits. Both Protagonists are lovable.

Maybe you're the one who has problematic views...
There are men who want to bottom, aka me, a gay man. It's okay to have your own opinion, but don't push your "progressive" views onto people just living their own sex life. And frankly, what gay men want to do in bed is none of your business.

I'm not reading all that.

Not trying to be a dick, it's just hard to digest all that word blob.

Maybe you can edit or retype it with it spaced apart?

Not trying to be that guy, but being gay is progressive by default; since we've been killed, raped, brainwashed, and even now are seen as the boogeyman that's gonna r*pe children.

Because conservative views us as such, and committed atrocities to make us a minority.

Nah man its okay.
Have some rest.

aint no fucking way ur a gay man against progressive views HUH??

YUP!!! see you get it!!

Man idc about this comment section anymore

bruh ts gotta be satire i would understand u saying a playing factor could be bla bla but saying that its the ONLY reason is wild r u aware that gay man have the right to choose whether they wan try things or not ?

all ur revealing is that youre fucking stupid and cant think critically, and youre on a thread again from fucking november. are u stalking me??????

and u r showing how ignorant u r and how u want to push ur beliefs down evbs throat. I aint stalking maybe if u werent in every comment section yapping about switch i wouldn’t have replied to u . U were in at least 5 comments yappin n yappin

EXCUSE ME??? im sorry you cant understand the heteronormativity in BL. no one sai every couple needs to switch but the fact that its so uncommon, and that so many tops in BL refuse to try is because of heteronormativity. idk why the fuck this offends you so much but get help

where did I get offended and u dont needa start unpack ur whole arguments to argue w me bcz i will literally mute u u have an opn u r so sure of it that u want it to shove it down evbs throat thats it

I have my mom as birth giver (〜￣△￣)〜

Mine are their born names with "(biological father)" and "(biological mother)" next to their legal names.

Been in too many accidents and medical problems to nickname anyone in my phone, other than "don't answer this number."

Idk if you realize this but people need to rest after working. This is why labor laws exist. Also you’re on an illegal website that doesn’t even pay these translators for their work

do you have any idea how much work is put into the line work for manhwas alone???? for all we know someone on the team is having a family emergency so they cant finish in time. jesus try not being so single-minded and selfish

Y'all chill.
I wasn't saying they need to slave away.
I was just expressing my disappointment that I gotta wait.
Well, it would be more accurate to say sad, but I didn't feel comfortable about saying that.
But I know, you're right.
Artists and authors take so much time and effort on their stories, usually as a side job because they can't afford to do it as a main source or income.
They even develop hand, eye, and back problems from how much they put themselves into it.
I'm just gonna miss the story in the mean time.

lmao just stfu and wait u broke bitch

Bitch u here too, your ass is broke too.

Lmao this whole thread XDDD

thats why im not fucking complaining bitch i know im broke as fuck

THE "Yuck" IS TAKING ME OUT

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