Demented barbie's Topics (958)

Yeah the translators have dropped this now.

I know especially since it’s on webtoon and it’s free like at that point just get the app

Well I don't see the logic of getting the app if I can already read it here
not to mention that I've tried to get the app but I didn't work so there is another reason
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Because if you read it there the author makes money from views. And also the comic gets pushed into the more popular from views. You dont support the author here.

But I can't read it there

I can if I use the website but the main point is that I can manage my reading better here

And mine is that If you CAN isnt it better to support the author? Because if they get paid from views there and bumbed up to more readers, and don't get shit here, isnt it better to read it there? Because it's free.

I have a feeling we aren't going to see eye to eye so I'm out

I mean that's fine I just think it's better to support the author. They get money from you clicking on the comic on webtoon. Obviously if you cant you cant. But ad revenue pays their Bills man. If you are able to download webtoon (I see that you cant) it's really stupid to not do that because its FREE.

Agree

It is very wrong to say Alex and Seungho are doing the same. The worst Alex did was doing a double penetration without asking DG, but even then DG wasn’t really against it. DG wasn’t hurt in any way and never thought of it as anything like rape so thats wrong if you to decide it is rape.

But DG gave Alex consent... for like everything, at least until he eventually decided to stop and make Alex chase him back. With Seunghoo, it's pure abuse and force.

Uhhhhh, Alex was an asshole who maybe crossed a boundary once but didn't rape or kill or kidnap anyone. Seungho forced this kid to work for him, killed at least one person, has held him captive (he tried to escape, remember?) and has now smashed his face into the floor and raped him twice (the first time counts because Nam was clearly out of his mind and was giving consent to someone else).

Your comparison is way, WAY off.

I know what the fuck I said lol.

Forced double penetration with someone screaming to stop is pretty bad. Anyway, I love both, and i stand by this lol

Way off? Just hear me out. Do you think someone raping someone only once is better than someone who rapes multiple times? Forced double penetration with someone yelling "stop!" Is rape babe. Now I LOVE that story I'm just saying as far as rape goes. They are similar. That is all

I'm with you bro. If Seungho was a modern man he would have done much less than Alex -- you can sort of deduce his style. The rape and murder are a function of the power hierarchy and norms of the time. To himself, he hasn't done anything particularly uncouth for someone of his standing. People are so tripped up trying to read his actions in a vacuum without considering that a lot of our morals and values are conditioned into us by societal norms.

Alex went way against modern norms by using and raping (it was rape, DG told him to stop and he didnt) DG. Seungho is well within his power. He is fearsome but no one around him sees it as lawless.

So I think in a way I'm being conditioned by other yaoi, which frequently have the enthusiastic bottom yelling stop for half of the sex, and keep going for the rest. I went back to BJ Alex to review that scene and it is, without a doubt, rape. I won't try to justify it in any way.

And yet my point remains. Maybe I can explain it this way: most justice systems have a concept as degree for various crimes. If the word 'degree' isn't used, then they may even call the crimes different things. US law describes 10 different types of rape at least, each one of them based on circumstance, motive, and intent, and each one of them with a different penalty. There's a reason for this-- the same exact crime is different based on the circumstances. And yes, these things are actually influenced by how much trauma the victim received. Again, none of this excuses either of these men, but it addresses the severity of what they did and the perceived trauma that their victims experienced.

If we take all the types of rape and all the punishments that a person might get for them and put them on a spectrum from bad to horrific, what I'm saying is that what Alex did is more on the bad end of the spectrum while what Seungho did is more on the horrific side. There is such a dramatic difference between what the men did, why they did it, how they did it, and what the reactions were that it's out of touch with reality to place equal weight upon them. Degree and scale matters.

Except Seungho is being portrayed as extreme even for his time. If he existed in the present, there's no way he'd somehow have more restraint than Alex. For all his flaws, Alex still has a sense of what's socially appropriate. Seungho, much like the honeybadger, doesn't give a fuck, and that's what makes him crazy at any point in history. It's the difference between someone who's insecure/selfish and someone who might actually be a sociopath.

I see where you're coming from but I don't think he is surprising for his time and judging by how other nobles tolerate him, the worst thing of what he does is have an interest in Nakyum.

I think you have to be careful with assigning dark triad disorders like sociopathy or psychopathy because both of those require Seungho to not process the feelings of himself or others. He has shown he does process them though, that's exactly why he is interested in Nakyum.

All of these conversations tend to ignore, misunderstand, or miscategorize Seungho's motivations. He is twisted, but/so he seeks emotional connection and warmth. However, he has grown up in an environment that doesn't afford him those things so of course he does not know how to express them.

Sociopaths are way more like Inhun. He feels nothing about using Nakyum. Seungho on the other hand wishes Nakyum would like it / him and has no idea how to get there besides forcing him.

Bringing it back to the convo about bj alex -- alex also seeked out warmth in the same way as Seung ho and then destroyed the person who gave it to him in the same way as Seung ho. That was the whole plot line of BJ Alex. I think in a similar situation, Seung Ho might have behaved similarly but he does strike me as more mature than Alex so I think he would have done less. Also alex is lucky that DG wanted him. Seung Ho doesn't have that so he manipulates to create it.

Anyway yeah I don't see Seungho as evil or psychopathic. Those traits are different. He's more of an untrained dog than a bad dog.

The important point in rape is the damage caused. That’s why most yaoi’s *rape* isn’t much because the uke dont give a shit.

Even if DG said *stop*, in the end he wasn’t hurt in any way and he even admitted he didnt really mind the double penetration if my memory is right.

But here you can see the uke all sad and physically hurt too.
But even in this story, it doesnt matter too much because obviously the uke wont have a trauma and he wont react like a real rape victim (like idk, fear the man that raped him). I believe he will mentally heal quite fast from the rape.

Wait so according to your logic isnt it fine if Nakyum accepts Seung ho and Seung ho apologizes and then they build a better relationship??? Lmfao???? (⊙…⊙ )

Seungho is a murderer. What exactly we are comparing now?
Ps: it is not necessaraly a group of people supporting alex and dislike seungho. It could supporting both or dislike both.

How is what i am saying supporting rape??

Rape victim in real life are usually people who were hurt physically and mentally and will always remember their rape as something traumatizing.

While as lets say DG, he never thought of it as a bad thing, Wasn’t hurt mentally or phhsically, he didnt even consider it rape either.

The reason you sue for rape is because you were hurt. If you were raped but didn't give a shit about it, you might not sue because you just dont give a shit.

Also if theres a couple made of a man and a woman. If the man rapes the woman and she decides to stay with him. That means she choose to accept that. Its her fucking choice. Maybe he will never do it again and they go happy, maybe he will continue but its worth it because she is still happy despite that or she can report it. Or maybe even though she wasnt in the mood and didnt want sex, she didnt mind that much and just let it happen. The thing is, if the women really didnt want it to happen, she will fight back, if she couldn’t fight back for any reason, then remains the fact she will hate/fear the man (or be sad, depression....). If the woman didnt react that way, then she most likely didnt care too much about it, and so even if you wanna call it rape, it could be her trying to please her boyfriend despite the fact she isnt in the mood, or just her not caring about it and let him do it.

Yes rape can happen in a couple, but if the women doesnt truthfully doesnt consider it rape, then we shouldn’t either. In real life we cant tell whats happening in others’ houses so it would be hard to tell if the woman is somehow forced to stay with the man. BUT in yaoi, we see what happens and even the thoughts of the MC. So considering DG didnt have any bad feelings towards Alex after the double penetration, i dont consider it rape.

Honestly, Seungho could kill all or Nakyum family(if they were still alive??) and if Nakyum choose to forgive him, thats Nakyum’s decision. It is incredibly selfish to put your values into someone else. It’s like people who shame incest, i wouldn’t do it myself, but I womt tell anyone they cant go have an happy life with their loved one because they are blood related. Thats stupid as fuck. Yes Seungo did wrongs on Nakyum, and i hope it wont be forgiven like it was nothing (because thats just annoying personality) but i dont think it’s bad if Nakyum eventually fall in love. You might dislike the scenario, the same way i really hate it when a uke forgive an antagonist that sexually harrassed him (while the uke was in an relationship or getting there). B

Yo I'm for a Seung ho redemption arc not a Seung go forgiveness arc. Unless he redeems, showing Nakyum get over it would just be irresponsible. Have you heard of Stockholm syndrome?

As i said, even if she dont fight back, she will have much negative thoughts towards her rapist, while ukes in manga dont. You said they stay because they cant imagine things getting better, do you mean things between her and the boyfriend? I’m not sure what you are saying please make it clearer.
Also if a woman stays with her boyfriend despite being *raped*, then it’s like i said, she is willing to have sex with him, even when not in the mood because it’s worth it to stay with him, and that is HER choice. Therefore, i’m not gonna see it as rape. But she also has the choice to break up with him and sue him. That is up to her.

My opinion is that whether its rape or not is for the person to decide (as long as they have the capcities for it, so children/people with mental disorder wont count).

I’m sorry but you can’t call it rape if she stay in the relationship and do nothing about it (of course, we are not including situations where she is forced to stay). I dont understand how you see that as rape culture since i’m giving the potential victim the right to decide for herself.


To make you understand, how about you give me an example of why a woman would stay in a relationship with a man that raped her. (You can’t say stuff related such as: he is forcing her to stay/she has nowhere to live)

Codependency doesnt count as she could be staying despite hating him just because she cant make it on her own. Fear of leaving, if you mean she is afraid he might hurt her, that doesnt count wither because off topic(since she probably would get out if she could). Gaslighting, even if the boyfriend makes it seem like it wasnt rape or whatever, if your boyfriend does something horrible to you, why she you let it go? She isnt forced to accept his fake half ass edcuses. If she doenst like the relationship she should just leave it because she was raped. And thats the same for mental abuse. I just dont see how these can be a reason for a woman to tolerate being raped. And even if rape culture tells them its not rape if they are a couple, doesnt matter what its called, if you are suffering in a relationship and you stay in it, despite having the choice to leave the relationship, you are digging your own grave.

I’m not saying the rapist is any less responsible, i’m just saying if its rape, and if rape makes your unhappy(some people probably can tolerate rape as something not too extreme depending ln the situation and mostly for men i guess). Then theres no reason to stay with the person that supposedly raped you. If you are staying with them, it’s like you are pretty much allowing that this event happened.

My whole point is, in the end, it is 100% her choice what she do. So if she stay in a relationship, it means the rape isn’t important enough to break her relationship, and so, we might as well not call it rape.