The reverse extra is fun and all but I'm ready to go back to the main one and see what Seungho will do next.
Dude is overdue for heartfelt atonement and proper confession.
Since I don't think neither Jihwa nor the hobo assassin will actually get hurt because ... fanservice couple, I'm still betting that it's Seungho who will ended up bleeding on the snow as cliffhanger for end of the season.
Doumeki being bold and not stepping down is getting me life.
The bathroom scene, the 'joke' who almost made Yashiro to fall, Doumeki saying he won't take orders, ahhhh!!!
Yashiro must be trying all his might not to jump on him.
This chapter was so sexy. Darkmeki is too much.
How is it possible that Saezuru keeps getting better after all this time?
I think Yashiro was trying to make Doumeki jealous, and he was stewing about Doumeki calling someone other than him kashira. But it kinda backfired, and there’s definitely an element of anger to Doumeki’s proposition. In this case, I think Yashiro feels wounded that the man he loves and can’t get out of his dreams views him like everyone else, as a public toilet. Even though it’s not true and Doumeki still loves him. I like the whole “change” theme for this volume, there are so many ways to look at it.
Seungho x Nakyum are endgame and they will have a fairly happy ending.
This will not end in tragedy.
This is as classic as Yaoi as they get and I wish people stopped acting as if POTN had to be something else they expect just because they decided to read something because it's popular even knowing it was a rape Yaoi plot with very known formula.
Every Yaoi reader knows recognize the classic tropes on this story:
- Seungho is the bad guy but he also is shown to care. This implies he will get redemption. Seungho is hardly the only 'bad but still human' trope in this story. Both Jihwa and the fanservice character Tarzan also are on this trope.
- The MCs are monogamous or even if they don't start as monogamous, they become as the story progresses. Seungho starting as promiscuous and then giving up all and any other partner because he only wants Nakyum. Classic endgame set up.
- Nakyum is classic innocent uke. Seungho is his first and only man he will have sex with through the story. Seungho is the man Nakyum jerk off to. All again, classic endgame.
- Seungho is both the initial abuser and the final protector of Nakyum. Classic trope where a bully torments the uke and then gradually becomes his fierce protector. This is not even only in Yaoi. Shounei Ai bully-to-lover uses the exact same formula. This story never hid or fooled anyone that it was anything else but a Yaoi rape to love trope so it's a bit frustrating imagine that readers will get to the end of this complaining as if they were fooled or promised something else when all the read flags are blaring from the first chapter.
- The author. I never saw a more explicit, even aggressive advertisement that the MCs are a ship. While the story progresses in snail pace development and we can't see how, the official art and merch hypes, promises and sells the idea and dream of a happy relationship. Anyone following the official art sees that it's not the smut but a romance that is being portrayed. Now, could it be that this is one author that would pull the rug from under the readers feet and is doing a bait & switch where all that she hypes and inflates in the official art as happy romantic ending is nothing but a ploy to entice readers to stick to the end just to deliver a horrible ending to one of them? Could be but I think authors usually don't like to fool readers this way.
The good news is that most readers really care more about watching characters being happy that care about getting revenge to satisfy their personal taste so if the author manages to actually make Nakyum happy with Seungho I believe there will be very few that will be bitter to the end getting the end they knew it was coming.
Finally someone said it, well more than even I had thought of, but I see tons of comments complaining about what we all know is going to happen, so I really liked reading this kind of comment for once.
FANSERVICE CHARACTER TARZAN-
Very weel said ! Couldn't say it better. (●'◡'●)ﾉ
THANK YOU
THIS!
Tbh I don't think they will end up together. When someone asked the author if they were gonna have a happy ending, BD said "in their own way", which I interpret as a no
I'm aware of this interview and I guess each person interprets differently. For me seems yet another confirmation that they will be happy together and the way the author replied sounds to me like the closest she could say without plainly saying 'yes'.
It is possible that the author don't make them endgame? Sure. It's just that, for me, the whole combination of how the story is ticking on the milestones of a well defined formula plus the way the author herself promotes the ship as happy and resolved in the official art makes me believe that it's unlikely that this is one author that would use the bait & switch. The official art has become more and more 'happy couple' as the story progresses and I just don't feel this author inflating that illusion for shippers if she didn't mean to deliver on it.
Let's see, maybe I'm wrong.
I agree. If the author has answered "yes", maybe the readers would say : "well, I will wait till it's finished to read in one shot because it hurts so much. Now that I know ot's a good ending, I just have to wait" (or something like that).
Plus, even if the author implies they would end together, they can face many problems till this happy ending. I am a regular reader of Finder and the author said one day in an interview that the MCs will have a life of delights but I can affirm we are all in despair NOW because of the drama and this happy ending seems very far away...
This is a very interesting explanation and to be honest, I really want to let myself get convinced... yet, I can't stop thinking that the answer BD gave us was a hint that they wouldn't make them endgame. Amongst all the answers she could have given us to confirm that they would end up together, there could have been a "certainly", "probably", "only future can tell us", or any other kind of approximate answers like these. But she chose to say "In their own way", which means that they will find happiness, but most definitely not into each other. That would also be the most realistic kind of ending, according to me.
We will most certainly find out more as the store progresses. In my view, the point of these stories is exactly not to be realistic but indulge into alternative reality, escapism through fiction. The very premise of rape plot trope in Yaoi (and to be fair, almost all Yaoi with their uke-seme rigid structure and countless tropes) already puts all these stories in 'this is not intended to be realistic or seen as standard for real life relationships'.
I'm glad Yaoi has many choices of stories -- some that do try to portray couples in healthier or more realistic standard --- and the non normative ones that don't follow rules of realistic endings. I just can't relate to expecting realistic endings in classic tropes that by the very definition are non normative to begin with.
In any case, thank you for your feedback. Let's hope that whichever the ending the author chooses, it's well written. Cheers!
I ship Seungho and Nakyum.
I know what I am reading, I know what I signed up for.
I don't like some kind of stories in Yaoi. I don't like incest, I don't like shotacon. I don't like omegaverse.
I am grateful, blessed that I can, as adult, choose to read something without censorship. Thought or morality police dictating what others should or not ship is for China and I pity what it is to live in an environment where your choices are done by others, including fiction.
I can't relate to readers who, knowing that this is a rape plot, choose to read this and then go on acting as if they were promised something else. Worse yet, time and time again post here shaming shippers.
Let me say this again: dub con stories are or at least should be for adults. Adults don't own explanations to you or anyone else about what they ship or not.
Choosing to read a rape plot story just so you can chapter after chapter shame shippers and pat yourself in the back is not a show of superiority or morality. It's childish, it's rude and it's sad. Sad because no one, no one should feel ashamed or censored for escaping to fiction of their choice. A lot of readers here use the excuse of 'expressing their opinion' to push on others their morality and worse yet, demand an explanation from others.
As I said, I don't like shotacon, incest, omegaverse. I can't imagine starting a story only because 'the art is so good' and because everyone else is reading I don't want to be out of the cloud and then chapter after chapter complain that .... the story is exactly what I expected to be.
It's a fucking rape plot. No one can at this stage of the story say with a clean face that they thought they would be reading a social justice piece or whatever it is that they want the story to be for their sake.
There are so many good stories in here that do not involve noncon, that have healthy or cute or whichever is the brand of romance one may like that it's beyond compreenhension why people act like assholes choosing a particular brand that they know in advance just so they can fell better about themselves shaming, shaming, shaming shippers.
Look at the merchandise of this story. Look at the trope developing. Unless the author is planning a big bait and switch, what is unlikely, this story will develop like we all expect for the kind of story we choose to read. Soon or later the two MCs will be in a relationship so forgive me if I scowl at the readers who act like they were promised something else.
There is no problem at all not to tolerate non con. There is a main forum in here where you can go and place your opinion on how you dislike the genre, not only for this story but all of them. Still you park yourself on POTN because it's a popular story as if this was the place to protest your brand of morality.
Last but not least. let me tell what is misguided outrage. Rape plot stories like POTN are meant for adults. That means that people reading this will never magically be convinced that rape is normal so stop repeating this idiotic meme about 'normalizing rape'. No matter how many rape plots one read, they will not start thinking rape in normal in real life unless they are mentally challenged. Just like rooting for murderous Yakuza, or enjoying a kinky incest in fiction will never make a sane person think these crimes are normal.
Do you know where you should park your morality 'don't normalize abuse'? in the shone ai stories that never quite show the rape but use the same trope of dominant seme abusing, bullying the uke until he relents and falls in love and all this is directed to pre teens. That is the only and most dangerous area of this BL word where the justification of 'normalizing in fiction can actually groom the idea in impressionable minds that this is cute and normal'. However, 99% of the readers who spend their time shaming shippers in adult rape plots (that are by standard fantasy and impossible to be taken seriously) are the same ones who gush and defend the much worse danger in those stories that, exactly because they blur the line and pass the abuse as cutesy, are the ones you should be targeting.
Anyway, if you read to the end: this is rape plot. You know how this will end. Read the room. See the author merch. You choose to read this, you signed up for this. You don't get to go a steak house and complain that you expected vegan food and then be that asshole who demands everyone else to explain why they are not vegan.
Oh thank you. I don't know what people were expecting out of this story. It's clear that violence is one of the main theme and that cute and fluffy moments won't be part of this manwha. And yes, you can read this story and still be a sane person without criminal tendencies.
This comment should be pinned or something so people can read this and not bitch about the story.
You hit the nail on the head. It would seem the majority are unthinking children who are only reading this because of its popularity without any logical awareness or acceptance of what has been presented to us since CHAPTER ONE. Delusion of the highest order. To be expected from kids with low comprehension abilities.
But we need people to follow this account
Thank you for explaining, I read this statement and you literally took the words out of my mouth especially when I scroll through these comments(￣∇￣") gods work fr
I feel like I see more people complaining about others complaining more than I see actually complaining geez
There’s clearly more to this than smut. The author has presented a story with different characters that each unique backstories that are hinted at and dropped a second later. Don’t bash other people who are hoping slightly more than the same rape scene for another 60+ chapters. I’m fine with the content and I don’t understand the hate being thrown at those who just want a bit more. I’m not asking for fluff and I know no one is going to go skipping off into the sunset but can we get something?
What happened to NK’s teacher? What about Seungho’s past?
I like this story but it’s getting boring and repetitive.
I also like the implication that anyone not ok with rape isn’t an adult.
Let me clarify two difference things here.
I myself have posted criticism on the the story here about the slow development of the main couple and how disappointed I was with the whole kidnapping plot that was so hyped for months and ended up being solely on the purpose of adding the fanservice character plot between Tarzan and Jihwa. In a story with such short chapters, so many loose ends and already plenty of side characters that still didn't get their purpose in the main plot, I have a pet peeve with the author's decision to waste time on a obviously fast food relationship that with 2 second of interaction and history and will probably get fast tracked into a full blown relationship and that seems lopsided considering the half long dragging ass path of the main couple. I myself took a break after the kidnapping thing because it felt repetitive to have Seungho and Nakyum fall into the same pattern. Contrary to what many think, shippers in rape plot tropes rarely read it for the rape or abuse, it's not that these shippers actually have a kink for it ( and honestly for the ones who have it, not judging either otherwise would be a contradiction of what I just advocated that people don't need to explain their reasons for shipping). Anyway, most of readers who engage in rape plot tropes with the implicit promise of an endgame are way more into the redemption arch or plot part of the trope. That is what most enjoy to see, the powerful, mean beast being tamed and dominated by the the person they once owned. Anyway, if the author takes a too heavy hand and stay too long delaying this development, that is expected and what many times happens that some readers either leave or lose patience or take a break.
To lose patience and want more if the story hits a phase that seems to drag too much is not what I am criticizing here. I also want more. I also want to see what happens to In Hun, the father, Seungho's past, etc ( and that is also another reason why I dislike the introduction of fanservice Tarzan so much because now there is a demand for it and the couple will either waste precious short chapters and fall quickly in love or worse yet the author will pause the main couple and other and give background to the couple while yet the main story gets forgotten).
However, I am fully aware and I doubt any reader can tell they don't know it either that no matter how slow paced it moves, the two MCs will have a relationship and that is the story one is choosing to read so my rant is about the readers who know very well this is rape plot and are posting like they were promised or fooled into expecting something else.
I have no problem with shippers who are losing the patience waiting for the main couple development. My problem is with the readers who know the couple is part of a rape plot, they know where the story is going and still choose to read this, choose to stay after 2 year, probably will be here chapter after chapter shaming shippers and whining they are reading a rape plot instead of a social justice story.
It’s just honestly that don’t see any comments where people are upset about the basic plot and rape elements. People are more frustrated with the fact that the story seems to be going no where fast. I don’t think anyone who has read up to this point is expecting sunshine and rainbows.
On the words below:
"I also like the implication that anyone not ok with rape isn’t an adult. "
I don't even know how you got that I said that.
My point is that as an adult, you make your own choices of what stories you read and you are the only responsible for how you feel about it, not others.
If you are confused with my point, think that Yaoi is a genre with many doors. By doors I mean the subgenera that we can pick from :
I mentioned shotacon, incest, omegaverse, non con stories and how grateful we should be that we have options to make our own choices of fiction, I meant to say that if you choose to enter into a room where you know you will read something you don't like, something you don't feel comfortable, you don't get to whine and complain as if you expecting or fooled that you were reading something else.
If I don't like incest for instance, but I willingly choose to start reading a story because 'the art is so good' or there is a side character that I like, or the story is popular and I want to be in the crowd that it's reading, I do feel that it's absolutely jerk of me to start posting about how much I dislike incest, chapter after chapter, then post topic shaming shippers of the incest couple or demand to be explained how and why people ship them.
So it's not like I am saying that people who are not okay with incest are not adult. I am saying that people who choose to read an incest story and then complain the story is exactly what they already knew would be and shame shippers are childish, rude and jerks. Because you choose to enter that room.
I used incest instead of rape so you can understand that non con fiction is just another choice of non normative fiction adults have the freedom to read or avoid.
If a person has a strong opinion about incest, shotacon, non con or whichever genre, it seems way more mature and sincere if they go to the main forum and express their general opinion there as opposed to pick a story to read then remain to the end whining that they are reading something they don't like or shame people.
I'm not sure if that was the 'adult' reference you took it. The other thing I mentioned is that rape plot stories are made for adults and what I meant to say with this is that the lame meme 'normalize rape' is a fake stupid argument because in order for something to be normalized, it implies that the readers are not smart or old enough to understand that rape in fiction doesn't make rape in real life normal. I challenge any person who ever throws this phrase tell me how many rape plot stories they would need to read before they start thinking rape is normal. No one, absolutely no one will be convinced rape is normal after reading Yaoi rape plot trope, unless they are a child and in this case they shouldn't be reading non normative stories in the first place ( even so, I doubt young adults can't tell rape in fiction does not mean normal in real life but stories where the abuse is blurred and disguised as cute and never explicit)
I don't know what to tell you except we may be reading different comment sections.
I am not one for naming accounts but POTN comment section being plagued by readers who shame the shippers of Seungho x Nakyum is not a novelty.
From chapter one they knew this would be a rape plot trope and once in a while it peak me up the sense of entitlement that is for some people to engage in stories that they are not okay with and then demand shippers and other readers to make them feel comfortable.
Again, we may be talking about different readers here. I am only and specifically talking readers who shame shippers and or post as if they were promised a social justice story where the MCs have a different ending than rape plot tropes ( that they know very well it's the whole subgenera they pick to read).
I honestly see more of you complaining about them complaining ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
I think it’s ridiculous that we can’t let people voice their opinions or frustrations in the comment section. That’s literally why it’s here. You honestly seem like the entitled one here who doesn’t want to let anyone else have a voice.
Okay, now you are being plainly dishonest.
Everyone can have a voice. Some choose to be assholes when voicing their opinions.
Shaming shippers and dictating what others should find morally acceptable to ship or not I not voice opinion, it's being childish, especially, after I said, it was your choice to pick a rape plot trope and act here as if you were promised something else.
No patience for the children to got lost entering a door that they shouldn't and then act like everyone else should babysit their feelings.
Are there any reader who thinks that the girl at the end is not, like most are saying, any of the women who raised Nakyum?
The women at the brothel would have been much older. Also, Nakyum life as painter was not known until he became commissioned by Seungho. He used to paint as anonymous before, remember? His noonas would not have referred to him as painter.
Isn't too much coincidence that she is wearing the very same green outfit and in the same way that the woman who was with the hobo assassin?
Maybe she came back and heard Jihwa and Tarzan talking about 'the painter'.
I just find a bit of a plot hole to have a young girl as someone who have raised Nakyum if the theory is that she is one of the women from the brothel where he grew up.
On the other hand, since the lame kidnapping plot thing, the story is full of plot holes -- like Nakyum be found in the snow and Tarzan magically floats without footsteps, a supposedly assassin just give back the money because he feels pity of the most annoying and clingy bitch he ever met, Nakyum gets chocked to unconscious but there are no bruises on his neck and Seungho is suddenly so obtuse to clues that Nakyum didn't leave on his own. So I guess creating a 'noona' that looks even younger than Nakyum and suddenly is in the same town is not so out of expectation.
I think that the reason behind these plot holes is because the author is desperately trying to make the assassin and jihwa , a side couple?!
The biggest pet peeve I have with this story is that the whole ass 'assassination' plot, with all the build up, turned out to be underwhelming and anti climatic because really had very little to do with the main couple. It is so clear that it was only to set up the lame fanservice character love interest even so the relationship is based on 5 minutes of interaction. Imagine following a story for almost 60 chapters of hard earned development that advances the main couple at snail pace and then see the very short chapters split to make space for a fast tracked, half cooked assed 'relationship' that had no interaction, no base, no development and probably will be fast tracked to passion in 3 short moans.
Even worse if besides that, the 'assassination' plot only development for the main couple is a repetition of things that makes the story seem even more morose. All the while, loose ends with other much more interesting side characters seem all but forgotten. Alas, I doubt we will move on that, not before we get the totally waste of time on Tarzan and Jihwa fast food relationship.
I'm depressed.
Even more because next chapter probably it will center on the fan service couple while again we take loops back in the main couple returning to things we already saw many times.
It's frustrating because one side couple get half assed into the story riding only on a cardboard character that is a copycat from the main, no development whatsoever, the 'concern' from hobo assassin seems shallow and and magically will get a fast track 'bond' that looks shallow and eating up the very short chapters.
Meanwhile the main couple and all the other much more interesting side characters are awol and underdeveloped. Seungho and Nakyum still going back to the same dynamic, as if they were stuck in a merry go around plot.
What Seungho knows about what Inhun said to Nakyum? Who is Lord Song? What is Inhun planning? Why Seungho doesn't get at least some kind of understanding of Nakyum by now?
Anyway, maybe it's time I pause and wait until more chapters get to the point. Even more because my aversion for the side couple grows bigger when I could be enjoying if at least it wasn't so obviously loop sided development between arches.
I'm in the same boat. I'm going to pause buying chapters for a bit and see where this goes.
Does anyone know if there is already a translation for chapter 42 anywhere? Even if it's Spanish.
Thank you.
Nothing on sofigb’s blog. I figure we’ll probably have to wait until December. I want to read the Steves’ translation anyway, so I’m trying to be patient.
I saw a vietnam translation
Link please?
Sorry correction.. Thai scanlation. Link is above
It's already at https://saezurusteve.tumblr.com/
Thank you all for the replies!!!
Saezuru is worth the wait and every chapter is such a perfect score every time!
I'm a bit bummed because as I thought the kidnapping thing didn't really got anywhere, the so scary hitman is kind of pussy and not really a villain or nemesis, just a plot to get the annoying fan service Tarzan hooking up with the equally annoying Jihwa and I'm afraid how much space and time will be on that. It's a real pet peeve that you follow a long development for a main couple and then a side couple gets magically put together in 10 seconds of interaction and no background whatsoever but alas, I know the game.
Hope is that either Inhun, Min or the mysterious father or Lord Song still can add the much needed enemies drama. However, with so many side characters and now a new fanservice demanding attention, I'm afraid we will get a lot of characters but all of them only superficially introduced because a deeper development is simply not possible in such short chapters.
Seungho thinks he was rejected after his confession so we are back to inner drama and it may take a while until it becomes about the outside obstacles.
Amen ╥﹏╥
I don't hate the idea of Jiwha x Noname but honestly I care more about Nakyum x Seungho. That's what I'm here for
Chapter 3 with Take x Mine is too hot.
I wish there were more chapters with just the two of them because Hiroi is boring and has no chemistry with any of them and looks more like 3rd wheel in that relationship.