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Obviously he didn’t think he was gonna propose he thought he was still worried about the omega situation no he wasn’t right but I can see why he did it and he apologized to his partner not us his partner accepted it we have no choice but to move on

Actually im not going to defend ash but i do understand why he did that, mostly bc of lyle kept keeping things to him self and acted on his own before this ch and now ash just has to do something bc of lack communication that they have

It's not about Ash not knowing it was a proposal, it was about jumping to conclusions and forcing something out of him when he wasn't ready to say it yet and not relenting when he asked to stop.
Not only that, if Ash knows Lyle isn't good at communicating, does he really think doing bdsm would be a good idea?? Bdsm REQUIRES preestablished good communication between partners, Lyle could be hating the whole thing but be hesitant to safeword since he's insecure and didn't want to disappoint Ash by stopping, you see how this could've severely backfired? Lyle could've gotten hurt bc Ash put him in a situation that requires communication to be safe, while being aware he's not good at communication.
Also bad aftercare, he barely said sorry to Lyle for outing him and focused on the proposal instead of asking how Lyle was feeling afterwards

Ehh you can hardly call this bdsm …anyways it’s a manga the partner apologized to him not you he accepted it move on yes he was in the wrong we all acknowledge that but what is your paragraph going to change for the storyline

I'm not trying to change the story, I am however allowed to criticize bad writing and point out where it went wrong, that's what freedom of speech is for. If you're satisfied with the chapter just ignore the people who didn't like it, don't try to invalidate their opinion by simply saying "it's like that so suck it up" lol I am justified in disliking it and explaining why I don't, just like you are in liking it and not caring bc it's just a comic

Also just bc it's not hard play and "you can hardly call it bdsm" doesn't mean explicit consent and transparency aren't important. If you don't disclose your intent and get their "consent" without telling the full truth, it can hurt them if the real thing turns out to be something they had not prepared for. This is just a general rule of safe sex. If you're gonna do something unusual, explain it clearly and get the green light, don't just push it bc you assume it's not a big deal

I don’t call it play because the way it’s done is a bad portrayal of ACTUAL BDSM however I wasn’t trying to invalidate your opinion two things can be true at once I was trying to say how it’s very much seeable why he would do it and he did apologize but everyone is acting like the ml was the only one in the wrong

Oh I see sorry about that, I got now that you meant it wasn't good representation of bdsm.

I'm sorry but it's very much NOT seeable why Ash would do it. Let me break it down: if he (technically the author) had just done his basic research, he would've discovered that true bdsm REQUIRES the participants to ALREADY HAVE good communication and transparency in order to be done safely, right? And seeing how he's planning to do "bdsm" to "fix" the LACK of communication and transparency between him and Lyle, it would be easy to make the connection that he and Lyle DO NOT meet the basic requirements to even start bdsm (good communication and transparency from BOTH partners), but he STILL went through with it even tho it was extremely risky as they didn't even have the basics, and there were other, SAFER ways he could've gotten the answer out of Lyle, and in the end, he DID end up pushing Lyle past his limits, PRECISELY because they didn't have the minimum to do play safely. Ash was always so attentive to Lyle, so how come he managed to miss the fact that Lyle was so obviously unprepared for play?
That takes me to my second point: the "apology". His apology was literally a single "sorry" in the midst of swooning over the proposal he FORCED out of Lyle, he entirely focused on HIS reward for doing "bdsm" instead of doing the other most basic aspect of true bdsm: aftercare. He didn't examine Lyle and ask if he was in pain, if they went too far, if he was really ok with the answer being forced out of him, he asked NOTHING, instead he just kept saying how he was so happy Lyle proposed (as if he hadn't just done it against his will lol). Imagine if Lyle had been in pain and traumatized and hated the experience, since he already said he didn't like toys, but stayed silent about it, afraid he'd ruin Ash's mood. Ash wouldn't have known at all, since he wasn't paying attention or comforting Lyle. He once again ignored Lyle's incapacity to voice his needs in favor of getting what he wanted, and didn't care for him properly, that makes his "apology" very lackluster, and Lyle's "forgiveness" equally lackluster, as they were used as a way to make what Ash did look just fine and dandy when it was, in reality, a MAJOR mistreatment of Lyle and completely ignored his struggles.
THAT is why everyone is saying he was in the wrong, bc he was. The author completely screwed up Ash's character in the latest 2 chapters and that's why everyone is criticizing it. He's usually very attentive and caring, prioritizing Lyle's well-being, but he very clearly didn't this time, and it was glossed over as if it were something sweet and romantic, yk?

Oof sorry for the massive wall of a reply, I wanted to keep it concise but I'm bad at summarizing

A lot of manga/manhwa artists are unfortunately allergic to drawing wrinkles

Ikr? Literally just a little bit of that cave-in around the eyes and maybe make the mom look like she's actually his parent and it would've looked convincing. Rn it looks like he's at his brother's house with his gf lmaoo