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I don't think that's right. They worked hard for it, we should be able to enjoy their works as well. No uploaders are the rightful owners, you can't tell anyone off.The uploader who picked up previously can replace when they come back

The other uploader had way better translation and at least understood that it’s best to wait till the Lezhin one catches up so mangago won’t be at risk :/

I understand that but the fact is that the uploader left a note saying the reason for not uploading. It wasn’t like some of these uploaders who just disappeared and never said anything. Also, that wouldn’t be fair and I see it as kind of disrespectful when it’s clear the person was still working on it. I understand no one owns or had the right to just be able to upload a certain one but it would be different if the uploader just disappeared. I’m not rejecting their work, I just think that to stay away from endless controversy as we see in the comments, it would be best but I’m not saying they didn’t do a good job! They did really good and think that they would be amazing on another work for sure!

Also it wouldn’t make any sense to have them replace. We’ve seen uploaded a come back and leave a message saying they are done and won’t do it anymore due to another uploaded and the new one does a few chapters before dropping it leaving no one to update. Like I said, I’m not disregarding their work, just think it would be great for another work that is clearly not being updated.

The previous uploader will not be working on it but they'll buy the official translation and post it. So, they can replace it when they update. I don't see any point in before-after if it's going to be in a pirated site anyway. If someone's displeased, they can wait for the next update but don't DISRESPECT the uploader.

I didn’t disrespect the uploader. I didn’t cuss them out like some comments I’ve seen. I shared my opinion and ideas; exactly what this discussion board is for. I understand what this website is and I’m not saying I’m a better person or don’t care. If I had the money to do so I would support the authors as much as I could. Unfortunately, I don’t and I try to stick behind uploaders who give the authors a chance to make money.

If what I said was disrespectful then you are showing the same disrespect towards my opinion.

Louder!!!

We know why she is the way she is but it doesn't excuse her behavior and it doesn't really matter. It only helps us understand why she is garbage.

I never said it did. People have been asking and mentioning why she is acting the way she is and I replied with a thought. That’s all. Cause and effect is clear here and personally I look deep enough into the characters instead of just coming up with a conclusion that has no thought to it.

Yyup, hoping for good Yeun development.

Shes been gettin slapped by reality durin the latest chapters and i hope she learns somth out of it.

I hope she comes back to Chulsoo :((

Chulsoo is part of the problem his stalkerish behavior in the past, not respecting her boundaries and getting involved in Jiha and Ye-un's relationship is what caused the problems in the first place. Chulsoo deserves the way Ye-un is treating him and she shouldn't trust him.

Also Ye-un also is not a passive victim she is a active participant and helped caused her own problems and than played the victim.

Also Ye-un betrayed Jiha not the other way around by messing around with S&M with Chulsoo while she was dating Jiha and than lying about it, if she would have apologized for being dishonest to Jiha at the high school reunion it would have ended there, also Ye-un had no business bringing her toys to the High School reunion in the first place either so that is also her fault.

Ye-un was betrayed by Chulsoo not Jiha and Jiha was played by both of them so if anything I think people should be more mad at Ye-un and Chulsoo than Jiha.

Like I said before, I’m not saying she’s just the victim.Yes, she shouldn’t have been having another relationship behind Jiha’s back and at the same time he is also wrong in the situation with his motivation to hurt Yeun. The way he talks about her and treated her before was wrong and even in this chapter you see the effects of his actions on her when she saw Jiha was calling the stalker kid (forget his name sorry). In my opinion, It doesn’t matter what a person does, they should never deserve such treatment. Everyone makes mistakes because we are all human.

All of them are at fault, people lied, said hurtful things on purpose and so on. Everyone has taken a part in everyone’s pain. So I’m not going to blame one or two people. All of them are at fault.

I’m sharing my thoughts and that’s all.

Her relationship with Jiha is not to blame for how she turned out. She hurt Jiha with her lies, and dishonesty because of her S&M addiction with Chulsoo so if anything Chulsoo's betrayal and their BDSM addiction is the reason why she is the way she is. Jiha has nothing to do with it. She thought she could have a normal relationship without S&M and only ended up hurting Jiha as a result that is not Jiha's fault.

The way Jiha talks about her and treats her isn't wrong either because all he does is tell her the truth and asks her for the truth. Even when he talks about her to other people it isn't wrong because it is the truth so he is just describing her and it is Ye-un fault it is the truth not Jiha's. Even when they were dating all he did was ask her the truth about her relationship with Chulsoo which she kept lying about. If she was honest and showed that side of herself in the bedroom like she did 6 years later when Jiha asked about her relationship with Dowon their relationship would have been fine. Instead Jiha found out someone he has been dating for 5 years only shows that sexy side of herself to a person she lied about not having a relationship with so of course he was pissed.


Jiha was never motivated to hurt Ye-un so I don't know where you got that from. Even when he found out about her cheating with Chulsoo he tried to have a adult private conversation with her and calmy asked her to apologize and to break up but instead she lied to his face again! He snapped and accidentally knocked her bag down that was his fault, but she cheated on him, lied to him about it to his face, and most importantly she brought sex toys to a High school reunion like a dumbass. Jiha didn't know she brought sex toys to the reunion so again that humiliating situation is her fault not Jiha's.

She and Dorim also raped Jiha in chapter 45 so when you say Jiha should not have talked about her or treated her the way he did I don't know what you are talking about because it is literally the opposite. Jiha did not deserve to be treated that way by Ye-un and I think he treats her better than she deserves considering all the wrong she has done to him.

He told her the truth even when it hurts her and never talked bad about her either all he did was tell the truth about her and describe her to people and like I said before it is Ye-un's fault it is true not Jiha's.

Jiha never cheated on her, betrayed her, or raped her those are things Ye-un did to him so the reason she suspected Jiha was working with Homin when he called is because she realized she is a horrible person and would have deserved that but when she realizes Jiha is not working for Homin she breaks down and starts crying because it means Jiha does not hate her as much as she deserves, and that Jiha was not only right all along but he was also not the asshole all this time but she was.

I’m not saying the relationship and that Jiha is the only reason to how she has developed. I’m saying the traumatic experience she had with the accident plays a big part in that in regards to her present self or in conjunction to her past. You talk about the characters including Yeun as if you expect her to make all the right choices to fix things and to right everything that has happened in the story. To be honest, that isn’t real life. So many people in real life and characters in this manga and other books, see the right answer and don’t go for it. That is because they are human. Also, there’s a lot more of Yeun’s character that we have yet to discover.
Another idea regarding the actions of her character can be based on the fact that it’s a manga. If Yeun did everything right, would the same attention be towards this story. We wouldn’t even be having this discussion if that was the case.

Mostly I replied to you due to your statement of calling her garbage which I believe is uncalled for. If saying that statement you are saying is true then people that make similar bad decisions in their lives are the same and I don’t feel that is accurate. I’m approaching this manga, just like all the other ones by also taking in accord of realistic human situations and decision making. I’m approaching this topic of Yuen’s character from a psychological standpoint, looking at the different events that have transpired between the characters surrounding Yuen, their interactions, and Yuen’s past in general. I might even approach them in different ways that might seem stupid or just ridiculous but that’s how I am. It’s obvious she has been hurt, not saying others haven’t, and in her position the decisions she made in the past are examples of her immature ability to be in a healthy relationship defined by being comfortable of expressing your true self to your partner. She didn’t have that comfort and made the decision to betray Jiha with Chulsoo who played a big role in that in the past (like most of the characters in the manga doing wrong in the present).

You are also under the misconception I don't like Ye-un. I like Ye-un but but also understand one of my favorite characters is Griffith from Berserk who is also garbage.

People in real life and characters in fiction that see the right answer but don't go for it. Don't do it because they are human they do it because they are garbage.

Also she raped Jiha in chapter 45 and all rapists are garbage no exceptions or compromise there. Also when Ye-un said "I am so tired of all of this. Things didn't end well between us but for a split second, I wondered if he hated me so much that I started to doubt him. Sure it wouldn't have been unlikely. Maybe I always knew that deep down. That I'm so horrible someone would do that." This is Ye-un finally admitting to herself she is garbage, always has been garbage and this makes me proud of her because admitting your garbage is the first step to not being garbage anymore.

I have a misconception though in the last response you gave just talked about Yeun being at fault and the one before that and with disrespect through and through. That’s all I’ve been hearing in your replies is about Yeun being at fault for all of this which yes if looking at just her actions but I’m not just doing that. Also using the term “garbage” is just not right. Maybe that’s how you refer to people who make mistakes or whatever but I don’t like it at all. At least respect her character just like you would respect anyone else.

No, the reason why they do it is because of what they have gone through emotional, physically trauma or pain and so on. No one just does things and have no answer to why the person did it. It might not be noticeable but there’s always the question “why?” And that question is answered by looking into their past, their emotional stability, and much more. So just saying “people do it because they chose to be garbage” is not accurate.

Let me also touch upon the fact that in NO way do I endorse what she did to Jiha. As I have said before and have said multiple multiple times, I don’t see Yuen as an angel. She has made mistakes and has a lot of issues that have led her to her actions, that’s a fact. I’m not saying that I’m going easy on Yeun even after her doing that to Jiha. Understand this, you can use all the references of the story and even reply to almost every other comment or discussion with your beliefs and I respect those actions. However, ALL of what Yuen has learned and become was NOT how she was when she was born. Anyone in this world or in fiction don’t just end up that way for nothing. Pain, suffering, trauma, etc. all play a factor and that’s what I was trying to bring to the discussion. To have people look at another perspective of Yeun. Everything she has done has been from a learned experience or trauma. That’s the point I’m making. Not saying she isn’t in the wrong or that she shouldn’t be held accountable. I’m saying that to become the type of character she is today, she went through some shit. That’s all. So, if you want to continue saying Yeun or any other character is garbage and presenting the same evidence each time, that’s fine but really it’s a waste of time and has nothing to do with the psychological perspective and impacts of Yeun’s development and timeline to how she is today in the manga.

Unlike in reality a characters worth is not based on their morality it is based on if they fulfill the artistic desire to make you feel something or make you interested in them. A character whose mistakes and faults blot out the sun like Ye-un is what makes her a great character despite being a terrible person which is why I like her.

The main difference between you and me here is you think psychological considerations matter and I don't. I do call people that make mistakes garbage and this includes myself as well, you can disagree and not like it but you don't get to decide if the term is right or wrong and you don't have the right to tell me to respect her either, but what I will do is respect your opinion on the matter.

Get what your saying but If I’m looking through the perspective of how there’s characters, IF they were real people, and analyzing them psychologically then it wouldn’t be just based on the author’s artistic desire for the characters.

Now it just seems you’re reading too much into my words. Did I say that I decided the term is wrong? No. I said to me it’s strongly not a good term to describe people and that’s what I believe. Did I force you to respect her or whatever? No. So, there’s no point in you saying “I don’t have the right”. You can do whatever you want. I just told you I didn’t like how you call her garbage and that’s MY opinion. Didn’t tell you that you couldn’t ever use it again.

And you are correct that it’s my opinion to approach the psychological perspective as I see fit. That’s how my mind works since studying psychology and learning to look at a person or character of a story in a different way and not just by the obvious evidence given by the author. What I meant in my last message is that trying to prove to me that Yeun is garbage and the others are garbage and everything has absolutely nothing to do with the psychological aspect I’m approaching the topic. I said before I wanted to suggest another way of looking at things regarding Yeun. That’s all.

So if you have nothing else to say regarding those aspects, just stop replying. You told me your opinion over and over and I get it and see it has nothing to do with what I was trying to discuss.

Also, I believe it’s very important for considerations of psychology and psychological impact on characters when analyzing them. It’s the study of the mind which is where a person becomes who they are and develops into the person they were in the past, they are in the present, and even who they are in the future. People might not want to take the time to do so but I definitely believe it’s some to consider and many programs do when helping people like Yeun or any of the other characters.

I think I understand where your coming from and can agree somewhat. I think Psychological consideration on the pain and emotions, Chulsoo, Jiha, and Ye-un caused each other matters but the Psychological consideration for the reason of their actions i
doesn't matter because understanding the reason doesn't change the result, or help with anything. Understanding the pain trauma's and emotions they caused each other and how that shaped them and how they should process their emotions, to mentally cope so they can move forward in a healthy manner seems a lot more important.

I believe right now in the series they have reached the dealing with their pain and emotions stage. Jiha's coping from original situation happened off panel so now he just has to settle his feelings for Dowon, Ye-un still has a little bit of coping to do with the situation with Chulsoo, and Chulsoo has the most work to do.

I know nothing about psychology but I do believe people are governed by many things like Emotions, Instinct, Environment, Knowledge, Memories, and Information. I think it is important for people to be able to think from a different perspective, verify their thoughts, and be able to think independently and rationally without being governed by anything else. So I do thank you for this new perspective.

As you have said, people are governed by their emotions which often lead to their actions and the same with actions leading to certain emotions. That’s why it’s important to consider all of it in the process. I appreciate the support of the new perspective

I understand that but from my own personal experience understanding the psychological reason a person did what they did to me didn't matter because it did not change anything, it did not help me cope with it, move forward or stop me from wanting to kill them.

What did help me cope and move forward is understanding that the pain and trauma they caused me while it is their fault it is not their responsibility. They cannot take responsibility for the pain, trauma, and hatred I feel because it is not their emotions or their life. I had to take that pain, that hatred and that trauma and figure out how to make a successful life out of it. To this day I still hate them, I don't forgive them, and I still think they are garbage but I am no longer giving them power over me by allowing those emotions to get in the way of my goals, the people more important to me and my quality of life.

I understand that completely. Your talking to someone that has gone through their own experiences with pain and trauma and has been suffering for years. The person I am today is because of that. Doesn’t mean I’m not trying to break away from the pain to move forward and discover my own self love but it’s enough that it has scarred me. Though for me using psychology has helped me look at each of those individuals, what they had done to me, and reasons for them becoming that way. In a way, it sort of gives me slight peace or something like that.

Good for you and commend you for your strength.

What helped get past the trauma is setting goals and focusing my thoughts primarily on what I can do to accomplish that goal.

Understanding why they did what they did to me did not bring me peace at all but I am glad it was able to help you out.

I couldn't take any more of it by the 3rd chapter as well. Such a miserable manga and a miserable seme. It just feels like an abusive relationship.

Exactly!

Well I kinda get what you mean - honestly, it feels a bit like reading another story all of the sudden, with new characters in it (I think it might be because the change in the story happened too fast, so the character development became kinda rushed). That's how I see it anyways - I hope the ending will bring it all together tho, and I still find the story quite good, so hopefully it won't be too bad

I had the same feeling as soon as the Chapter in which Ryan is shown with Ed checking the Food Truck Fair. The general mood has changed; the 3 main characters appear hopeless with no clear goals that explain their behavior; This could be a reflection of the characters; Scared , Restless, and cautious.

Yea I'm not satisfied. Everything suddenly feels fake bc mcqueen didnt go through any character development like ed. We went through quite a few chapters inside Ed's head which humanized him whereas with mcqueen we just get some repentant exposition. I'm not satisfied. McQueen should have suffered just as much if not more than ed to actually show maturity, true change and in essence level the playing field btw them so he and ed could be equal instead it's like 'hey ed I changed, here's some money ily.' And I'm over here like (╯°Д °)╯╧╧ what happened to all that amazing character development and realistic emotion???!!!!!?!?!?!?!? I'm sad this story went from like a 10 to a cliche 4. I'm still gonna read it but I'm not rly invested anymore

Not to be a downer or anything but this story is solely based on Ed. So of course they wouldn't really show too much of McQueen. But I believe he really did go through development, the author just didnt show it. They hinted at all the things the McQueen was going through when he adn Ed ended things. And remember time skips and all, so Mcqueen must have had a lot of shit to deal with during that time we saw the things happening with Ed and Chang. Also remember, before anyone says anything, they show more of Chang because he played a very big part in Eds life. So Im guessing the reason it feels weird atm is cause everything is kinda mellowed out now. At the beginning Ed was just getting right into things because he needed a job and shit and he ended being a small time porn star. But then everything spiraled and we got to pretty every point the author wanted to make. But like im just saying. Im kinda ok with how the story is.
╮(￣▽￣)╭ But do I know?

Yeah I agree with that feeling.

I agree with both but I think what I’m missing is the perspective of McQueen. Because of their relationship having a big fallout regarding the situation, I truly think that we needed to see Mcqueen and why he went through. All of what hurt Ed was due to McQueen and I feel like he’s become such a important character, almost as important as Ed, that we needed that perspective because something just feels off. This last chapter and their conversation just seemed like it should have been a couple chapters ago in a way. Idk it just feels weird. Then that little moment with Ryan? Like I feel like the important chapters after the fight seemed to confuse things a little. Idk lol?

Like it definitely is still a good story but with all the chapters we’ve read that represented a good balance of character development and plot seemed to tip over. Now I understand it’s possible for all of that would be messed up after the situation with McQueen but yeah something just doesn’t feel right. The excitement to read this chapter and even the few before has really died out. Like I was actually surprised that I just wasn’t feeling it at the end of the chapter. Hopefully, it turns out well.

Had you tried refreshing the page? This happens to me quite a lot. I just keep on refreshing them once it stop loading. Takes a lot of patience too.

it could be your wifi

Yeah I tried that. I even bookmark the page before or after so when I reload I can go back and check it to see if it worked. It’s probably my WiFi lol