How do people read "His guilt is my insurance policy" and still root for tj? tf
Because "he's sooo hot so it's okay that he's a toxic POS"
And he's not even hot lol he looks like he's tripled in age
I think its less about rooting for him and more empathizing with him. Its the desperation of wanting to keep someone you love close no matter how selfish it is. The lengths he would take to keep ian around and safe. ^__^ i think people prefer tj because his route is/was emotionally charged. Im pretty sure joseph is endgame though so theres nothing to worry about LOL
"safe" is CRAZY
is he not doing that ? LOL idk i feel like even if his methods are extreme (sending him to prison, forbidding him from going to gang hotspots, etc) he still keeps him relatively safe..?. lmk your thoughts though i might be wrong lol
He’s not thinking that him putting himself in the gang world, he’s also dragging Ian with him so no, not safe. Especially when he knows Ian feels guilty and tries to be by his side 100%.
And let’s not forget that TJ also had sex with Ian in the hotel room where Ian has trauma with due to Ian killing a subordinate there. He doesn’t seem to gaf ngl.
So yeah idk about it being safe.
Fun fact ppl miss. Yes its the same hotel (the author confirm in a space talk in 2022) and its exactly across the room Ian use to live in where he killed his subordinate. Tj is disgusting and Ian let's him get away with too much due to his guilt. Tj calling Ian for a booty call knowing very well it's across the room where Ian kill someone. A regret Ian has that traumatized him. The room where for the first time Ian had a suicide thought, pointing the gun at himself. That same room which tj decided to stay across from. Disgusting.
wooaahhhh I did not know that. Could it be that he chose that specific room to guilt trip Ian everytime he called him ?
Most likely. And there's a theory that it's possible tj is the one when sent the subordinate. Because during the scene Ian questions why would the 2nd one guy. Knowing that Ian himself is strong and when tj walks in he has little to no reaction regarding what happen but is shock to hear there's a witness. Again this one is just a theory but it makes sense especially by how he's stay in the exactly hotel and floor the incident happen.
My bad, horrible wording. Let me rephrase. Ian questions why the ones that put a hit on him didn't send a group of 3. Since one guy is weak, especially for a pro like him.
Trash dude.
It amazes me that stories like this get amazing art but wholesome stories get not so good art... (only talking about manhwa base on novels; if you noticed all the very triggering stories have nice fucking art)
I feel you...
Makes me laugh when I see others say matching toxicity is a reason tj and Ian should be together as if Ian himself hasn't stated he wants out of his toxic surroundings and trying to atone for a better life. Yall prove each day you do not pay attention to the story or Ian himself. Wish wetsand had better readers.
Exactlyyy. Which is why i'm side eyeing jo for that kinda ominous chapter with the gun. I hope he does not become toxic cuz that's the very thing ian wants out of. Ian deserves to live a peaceful life for once
Jo will most likely enter his dark side but I don't think he'll become as controlling toxic like tj. He might be obsessive/possessive but I don't how it be shown, hopefully it isn't as bad. I'm high key excited what he'll do with the gun. He probably won't use it for self proposes but rather for someone protection, the chapter that show the gun show that Jo didn't want kill the rabbit but for his father he did. I feel like there's a reason why the gun show up in that chapter.
Yes! Pretty ironic since Wetsand is leaning towards being a series about change and moving on. People saying they match each others toxicity and that Ian should settle with the unhealthy circumstances which he actually so dearly wishes to get out of is just insane and a case of blind leading the blind
I'm just flabbergasted that some pple really think that the lack of stability in one's life (e.g. in Ian's life in this story) is actually a positive thing.
That's because they don't know the difference between routine and stability....
Ig this is how Ian unhealthy (sex) coping mechanism started, after killing David Kim he needed a way to put himself in control (regarding sex), so he's the one asking first and it didn't necessarily have to be with tj, he was willing to find someone else, as long as Ian had a sense of control and CHOOSING who, I think that's all that mattered for him in that moment. Also something to help him forget what he just did too. Oh Ian...
It had to be TJ because that’s the one person he trusts completely, that’s why had TJ turned him down while he feels so vulnerable (by asking if he thinks he’s dirty), it would’ve broken his spirit and genuinely led him to believe he was dirty.
I know Ian trusts him hence tj being his first choice, it still doesn't change what I stated so I don't see the point of your comment.
I negated the statements that suggests it didn’t have to be TJ. That was the point.
You can tell Ian is very relaxed with Jo but still uneasy regarding how he feels because everything at the moment is so new to him that he doesn't know if he deserves this treatment and if it's bad he enjoys it. Ian deserves so much peace after all his hardship and I hope later on he comes to understand himself and his own feelings more firmly.
Also anyone notice Jo got a boner after one kiss from Ian so he tried to hide it lol, they're so cute.
So tj tells Ian to take responsibility for his scar and boxing career and guilt trip Ian for it, when it's obviously not Ian fault. tj skip his boxing match purposely because of the deal he made to kill Jang, so it was an important day for tj but Ian thinks the important day was the boxing match. tj did not know Ian was there, so all in the long run, tj made Ian believe he skip his match and went to save Ian. so now tj holds this against Ian for years, making Ian believe he's the bad influence and tells him to be responsible for it. He's so trash and ppl complain Jo's the one manipulating Ian smh.
pretty much it yeah.
Tj: cause Ian lose his dream, made Ian believe he's the bad influence, had the power to get Ian into therapy but instead sent him to jail and put him in debt so be can tie Ian down with money.
Half of Yall: I can never like Ian, tj deserves better, Ian the problem.
Ian hid himself for years and push his feelings down. Ian wanted a label on his and tj relationship and tj refused. When he could've had a secret official relationship with Ian and/or after he got power in the gang but no. He let Ian take the insults instead. I keep seeing others say tj and Ian have an understanding relationship but THEY DO NOT. Both of them never saw eye to eye and TJ has not once understood Ian because if he did then they wouldn't be in a relationship like this for 19 years
And the way many act as if Ian deserves to be feeling guilty, no, he does not! TJ chose to do that himself, it wasn’t as if Ian wanted him to, hell he doesn’t even want that.
Exactly. Even saying they want see Ian get karma and/or suffer how tj did for him.. like excuse me?? Last I check all this did not happen because of Ian. They expect Ian to obligate to tj. Ridiculous.
Oh yeah and the way many TJ stans claim they don’t romanticize this is funny cause what I’ve been seeing, they’re all about romanticizing what TJ does to Ian, “oh couple goals”, “ they’re lovers”, “this is love,”, etc I’ve seen worse than what I said.
Also the house TJ built is literally a cage. He decided all of that by himself, Ian has no involvement in it. Iirc, TJ said something about Ian living in the house he built and coming back to the house to see Ian every day.
Unless it was mutually agreed upon, this was all decided by TJ. Its not romantic, it is weird.
Me looking at the comments saying how strong and deep their relationship is, but also me reading the new korean chapter. *inserts Ryan Gosling holding back his laughter gif* wait in due time.
hold on now I'm curious......
The chapter is Ian centered with his thoughts (FINALLY). Basically going over how much things changed between them. How he had to hide himself while tj didn't. How whisper of passion is now faded. Even shows Ian getting sponsored for his dream and tj questioning him why instead of be supporting. Ian saying how their dreams and desires became a gap between them. Literally just a doomed relationship. Bit I hot so hard once it's translated
oh finally. like thank god we can have ian thoughts finally because the way people love to completely undermine or straight up erase Ian and his feelings is baffling.
him saying that whisper of passion is now faded is very interesting as well
Ian centered chapters are so important. I absolutely hate how this fandom dismisses Ian and say he's the problem or how tj deserves better when it was tj who made their relationship like that. Ian was ready for a label but tj prefer money and power. I better stop seeing ppl say tj did this money and power for Ian when it was never for Ian but only for himself. What's baffling is that Jason their boss was able see Ian wanted out and to move on but tj, someone close to Ian didn't.
I just know people will still do mental gymnastics to make it seems like everything tj is doing/has done is for ian when it really isn't? and it's not like it's hard to see either
it's like we're not reading the same thing it's so strange to me
and what you just said about Jason is very true
Thank you! I saw the raws and I dislike things at the moment…
And the way TJ keeps claiming Ian as his, saying stuff like how Ian is his, how TJ wants him to think of him only, etc. but NEVER once labels their relationship, and he damn well knows Ian likes him and wants to be exclusive and label.
But he keeps on holding it back and being vague. A label in relationship may not be important for all but it clearly is to Ian.
Let’s also not forget that when Ian was going to do his dream career or something, TJ held him back and wanted to tie him down by his side.
People keep going on about how TJ feels and thinks and his intentions, but barely about Ian.
you basically said everything I've had on my mind for a while now
Their relationship is very complex.
it is, it's complex with a bunch of different virables but I can't stand how disingenuous people can be, overlooking some obviously messed up tj did and not treating ian has a person who has needs and wishes of his own especially
Right! But those stans will never care, they will…pretend to and make their fave out to be a savior.
that's exactly what they will do which is why I'm trying my hardest to not look at comments because it annoys me to a ridiculous degreehssj, you can like a flawed character duh obviously but let's not lie that's all I'm saying or just say you don't care
This is why we should’ve kept the comment section down. :( Idk why but reading comment section ruins my reading story time, the vibes are killed if that makes sense.
oh no I feel you on this 100%. the comment section here soured my reading experience which is silly but yeah it happened lmao, I really should stop reading comments at this point. but I'm glad we seem to be on the same page.
(This is based on the spoiler you put in the thread) this honestly makes sense considering in season 1 Ian said he USED to love Tj before he changed. And also a scene where Tj was sleeping and Ian used to his fingers to cover Tj’s scar. Showing a face he knew before they got into crime.
This is based on my opinion but I really hope the future raws will soon cause the TJ kingdom to kinda topple a bit. I hate how people see Ian and Tj’s relationship as the perfect fit. When Jo and Ian’s are a sign of new beginnings and actual growth to become a better person
So tj literally reveals Ian isn't the bad influence but let's Ian think he is because he likes the trouble look Ian gives him?? So basically tj puts himself and Ian into this mess (not as purposely) but gulits Ian (even years) after it, saying it's for him (Ian). This isn't real deep love, just obsession and infatuation.
Edit: and despite everything he says, feeling guilty of it, it just doesn't stand because he continues to do the things in present day.
Edit 2: Just noticed the flashback here in 56 is also in chapter 8. After Ian mother passes away. Idk kind werid to imply you finally have Ian to yourself "fully in my arms" after his mother pass, even after tj says it's the two of them now, Ian look at him weirdly (ch8) and in the audio drama tj actually say that part happily (his voice actor also confirms it). Tj maybe say he feels slight guilt but the present time and how he used certains things to his advantage with Ian says otherwise
Ngl it makes me so damn happy seeing for the first time Ian being very clingy and sharing skinship. I never knew he'll be so cute when he's comfortable. Also the realization Ian had when he remembered how he thought Jo was just someone who would leave anyway was a big step in him talking notice that Jobis much more to him than before. It's a develop for him, Jo and for readers.