Tj: cause Ian lose his dream, made Ian believe he's the bad influence, had the power to get Ian into therapy but instead sent him to jail and put him in debt so be can tie Ian down with money.
Half of Yall: I can never like Ian, tj deserves better, Ian the problem.
Ian hid himself for years and push his feelings down. Ian wanted a label on his and tj relationship and tj refused. When he could've had a secret official relationship with Ian and/or after he got power in the gang but no. He let Ian take the insults instead. I keep seeing others say tj and Ian have an understanding relationship but THEY DO NOT. Both of them never saw eye to eye and TJ has not once understood Ian because if he did then they wouldn't be in a relationship like this for 19 years
Me looking at the comments saying how strong and deep their relationship is, but also me reading the new korean chapter. *inserts Ryan Gosling holding back his laughter gif* wait in due time.
So tj literally reveals Ian isn't the bad influence but let's Ian think he is because he likes the trouble look Ian gives him?? So basically tj puts himself and Ian into this mess (not as purposely) but gulits Ian (even years) after it, saying it's for him (Ian). This isn't real deep love, just obsession and infatuation.
Edit: and despite everything he says, feeling guilty of it, it just doesn't stand because he continues to do the things in present day.
Edit 2: Just noticed the flashback here in 56 is also in chapter 8. After Ian mother passes away. Idk kind werid to imply you finally have Ian to yourself "fully in my arms" after his mother pass, even after tj says it's the two of them now, Ian look at him weirdly (ch8) and in the audio drama tj actually say that part happily (his voice actor also confirms it). Tj maybe say he feels slight guilt but the present time and how he used certains things to his advantage with Ian says otherwise
I have a question. On tiktok I see a lot of people say the FL ex cheated on her, I read 4 chapters on webtoon and so far it just look like it's was over gratitude and didn't want disappoint her. 15 chapters isn't alot so I'm afraid start it and want more. If anyone read up to 15, did the ex boyfriend cheat and a jerk?
Look I'm mad at Eunhyuk for ghosting our princess but DAMN the way I giggled and look away as if he was staring at me hehehehehe
i love how his character is like peeling an onion. i feel like—everyone does— that this personality of his is just the surface and that one chapter were he visited his parents says a lot too.
ian relationship with tj is more like a heaven in hell they've got each other since then, witnessed each other's downfall, each other's cries, experience each other's hell. and despite that they are still unable to let go of the other.
for ian and jo is on comfort side (at least for now) ian was able to experienced some of his firsts. soooo fulfilling to see that. and he seems to be very patient with ian too hope i can see more of ian's firsts with him.
this love triangle is really something bcs I don't care who will ian would end up with ><
I remember telling someone that Ian most likely realized his sexually orientation due to trauma (which is sad and unkind to him) and many got upset with me but looking at this and the raws it 100% possible that's the case that his assault someway influenced his sexuality and it makes me so upset he couldn't realize in a much kinder way.
I feel like many just overlook Ian whole character and thought process on why he does certain things and they just on him with no understanding. I can't wait for the day when we will finally see Ian true thoughts and see his emotional outburst.
Incase yall been wonder it's been 9 since sooae hasn't seen the boys (8yrs since graduation). There was mistake in the manuscript. It's still long as fuck, which is annoying tbh. It feels off for being that long. Be foreal no contact feel ooc for Eunhyuk like he really ghost our girl like that? Fuck off I'm mad.
Decided read the last few chapter and man I absolutely hate Nobu and how he's emotional cheating on Asami, I feel so bad for her and completely understands her frustration and complex jealousy. Nobu bitch ass was about to cheat on her with a kiss. Then he has the audacity to tell nana that she's messing with his feelings when the reason she push him was because he was about to fucking cheat. Nana was literally thinking of Asami and how it would hurt her but not coward ass Nobu. Idk why ppl like him he gets on my nerves and Asami deserve better.
People acting like Jo is only infatuated with Ian makes me laugh, because no is more infatuated with Ian than tj, even when they first met. Both these leads got that same sensation when they first met Ian. Difference is the time of knowing each other and despite the time of knowing, Jo is able to read Ian more clearly in that short amount of time.
jo should be endgame tbh… i reread this entire webtoon because the amount of people belittling ian and jo’s connection had me feeling crazy. while i understand why there’s fans for tj and ian it’s also very easy to define their relationship as something codependent, unstable, and unhealthy in the long run. i don’t think yall remember in the beginning how it was hinted tj used to harm others, and even ian himself, because of his possessiveness and fear of being left behind. he then tied ian down by forcing him to pay an outrageous debt to keep him in the gangs clutches longer. yet i saw so many people only call out jo for saying he wanted them to have exclusive sex this chapter and calling it toxic, while completely ignoring him/tj’s long winded history of one-sided violence
with tj, ian is haunted by the past and becomes a shell of a person that’s not even himself. tj has no plans to leave the gang, and this environment turns ian into a ruthless and unfeeling machine… almost like nothing. their sex is honest and passionate because he’s not fucking for love. to him it’s an act of raw desire that distracts them from the problems they share and never wanting to open up (as ian admits). together they perpetuate a cycle of constant push and pull, where one person is always at the extreme
with jo, ian is able to take a fresh breath and feel like there’s a life that’s exists far beyond what he’s been shown. ian becomes SO curious and has endless first times when it comes to fulfilling things. it’s like his inner child is being healed, and he’s able to be young and carefree. he unknowingly lets his guard down, and is comforted by how alike they are (how they say or think the same things at the same time). jo opens up ian’s world instead of shutting him away
all this to say, i feel like the sex scenes blind tj and ian shippers + fans believe utter devotion = tj is owed love from ian, even that very devotion is harmful or manipulative. and jo doesn’t deserve as much hate as people give him
Kinda crazy seeing tj stans say Jo doesn't have a chance because he's trying monopolize Ian. What do yall think tj been doing for the pass 16years?
i dont get why people are saying that ian and jo's chemistry is forced because like... what chemistry do ian and tj have????? i didn't know that holding someone back from pursuing a happy healthy life was chemistry
I keep thinking how bad the authors fucked up. The startup for this story started for Cain and even the title belongs to him but he became the 3rd character and the author tried so hard to keep his story in not realizing they should've saved his story for another time because they just changed to much of their original thought. That's why Cain feels out of place for some readers. There was literally no point in making this a love triangle. Cain backstory is only important if the MC remembered too.
Anyway, im glad Cain is happy and travelling and tbh I think he's the real winner here.
That water kiss was so cute it got Ian topping and taking the lead after being teased
Ngl if the author has to explain this much in the creator's note just shows how bad they couldn't convey the message they wanted to show. Even with the message they wanted to show, it still goes out the door when the MC doesn't even stick to his own words.
What kind of lame ass letter was that? Did a middle schooler write that, "meanie, i hate you" I'm trying understand Jooin thoughts but he doesn't seem to know his own feelings or refuses to actual say it. Even when there was a opportunity to say I love you he didn't. I remember someone said that Jooin falling in love felt more like pity and this chapter kinda points to it. Something is lacking I feel like chapter 100 would've been perfect to end it there than this actually chapter.
The author trying hard to give credit to Jooin for Cain life trying make him important when he did nothing for him. They're trying hard to make jooin still part of his life. Cain realize YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DECIDED not Jooin. Cain was ready to leave before their talk. This is what you did for yourself, not the idiot.
You can tell the author wants both ML's to constantly remember Jooin when Jooin gave nothing to be remembered.
The difference is Cain didn't run back and ruin his happiness that he learned over the years, Cain really is the winner.
This looks like it's trying to justify all that bad that happen making it as if Jooin was only at fault for his choice in leaving. Like he didn't try ,which he did unlike someone. Just wanted to laugh because I saw a reader on twitter say Jooin is replaced by a jeff and I agree because this Jooin is different from the Jooin who was consistent in keeping distance from the toxic one that hurted him..