more power to you if you read this and enjoy it but the mc is trash. it's different if all of them know they're dating you on rotation, it's another story when you're mostly lying to all of them. what a horrible person.
Still confused why this had to be a generic rape to love plot. When otherwise the concept is actually cute besides that.
Mickey and Alex are both respectively shit people and deserve each other. I’m not Kai’s biggest fan because true his personality is the worst. But he deserves better, pining after a closest case and dealing with a homophobic hypocrite.
???? Yes Mickey is homophobic, but his words didmt seem to hurt Kai. He ain't that bad. He just needs to stfu about his homophobia.
Alex hasn't done a single shit so you probably read raw? What happened?
Yes I’ve read the raws. Should you choose to read ahead there’s a link in the comments. It’s easy to follow along for the most part. My dislike for the characters stems from this.
Ok so you are saying Mickey and Alex are shit people even though you couldnt read anything?
Mickey i can understand why, if you are talking about his homophobia. But he didn't go as far as to be called an overall shit person. (but it doesnt seem the bother Kai. Kai doesnt HAVE to stick to him)
And i dont see how you can be sure Alex is a shitty person if you couldnt read what happened. Especially in a yaoi, where author always adds overdramatic plots and characters.
This is a spoiler
but alex and Kai actually dated before college. Alex dumped Kai because he was worried about mickey finding out and hid the summer romance. He also had feelings for mickey the entire time him and Kai dated, it’s an unrequited love. Alex is shit for how he broke Kai’s part and strung him along and for the rest of the plot alex will back and forth between mickey and Kai especially when mickey and alex kiss later on. But mickey is also into mr. Frost and his theatre classmate (who’s also fucking someone else on the side) It’s a mess. I’m not just hating them for no reason
Well considering you couldnt understand what they are saying, it's possible there are details you missed that changes the whole thing. Or did some people made a summary for each chapter?(i know some people.do that for other mangas).
You got it wrong. Alex just considers Mickey a good friend. The reason he kisses Mickey is because Mickey gets confused when Sam kisses him to explain a scene in his drama where Mickey and the other main character kiss. So, Mickey is confused about his sexuality and to get a handle on it, he asks Alex to kiss him so he can compare and figure out whether he feels the same irrespective of who he kisses or because he likes Sam.
Now, as for Kai and Alex, yes, they dated before but the problem was that they didn't define their relationship. They both liked each other but neither was sure how the other felt. So 3 days before Alex left, Kai stopped going to meet him and refused to see him when Alex went looking for him, and then Alex gave up. Basically, both were scared that the other person would break things off saying it was just something casual and so chose to walk away themselves instead. They do end up together eventually. So you can definitely ship that pair.
while I’m glad about being wrong about mickey and alex I was quite sure mickey and Alex kiss more than once, and it’s implied Alex has some point did have feelings for mickey. But if you’re right that’s great one less angst headache.
I haven't read anything to indicate Alex liked Mickey in that way at any point. In fact, when a common friend says he and Mickey should just get together since they have been friends since childhood, Alex is gay, and Mickey most likely is too, Alex says something along the lines of, "Mickey thinks he is straight and I will take his word for it". So, I guess, he is just overly protective of Mickey.
Having said that, it's still ongoing and I haven't read everything. So, maybe...
You're very wrong with your interpretation, which just proves yet again how judgmental people can be by jumping to their one-sided and short-sighted opinions.
You're instantly lynching Mickey (and Alex), but did you stop to consider that with your harsh comment you actually resemble Mickey's character very much? Mickey, who is jumping to his short-sighted conclusions, is using overly dramatic wording to voice his displeasure? Mickey, who is lynching Kai without having full background information - just like you don't? :)
It's so easy to judge nowdays...
P.S. it wasn't Alex who broke Kai's heart, it was actually Kai who did it (due to his lack of self-confidence and other emotional baggage that he's carrying on his shoulders).
This is “Love is not real” levels of stupid. I never understand plots that do I slept with the people you liked notice me sempai plots or variations of it. It’s disgusting. And especially pathetic. Who even thinks in their right mind that’s remotely romantic.
Same......
I don't know why this comment has so many dislikes
Probably because people disagree with this person. Nothing bad
So Lee Kirin is officially pointless to the plot after this chapter’s exposition. Kang Moo organized everything to the minute detail to set the stage and performance of its actors.Lee Kirin is the new stimulus to Kan Moo’s psychopathy, and the entire revenge could have been done by Kang Moo in its entirety had he felt like it without the harm allowed to Lee Kirin. Now Lee Kirin is a victim to Kang Moo’s rape, abuse, and manipulation. And continues to seek help from a man who is as much a monster as his sister’s abusers if not more. Lee Kirin is utterly mentally and emotionally weak. Yet this is a love story of a man caught up in the twisted obsessive game of a man who ensnared a grieving brother from the very beginning. I would be impressed by the plot if it weren’t for the fact it will likely end as similar plots before it. With Lee Kirin developing Stockholm syndrome and Kang Moo “cured” of his deviance through “love”.
Sorry I can be blunt. I’m just tired of plots like this. They rely on proper character and world building but completely undermine the entirety of the plot to hyper focus on unrealistic romance elements. It’s not a love story, it’s a romance so regardless off the dark themes and elements a “happily ever after” must be insured for its conclusion. When a love story does not. Thus it romanticizes all aspects of the story providing this as sufficient for validating the plot’s motivations and progression, despite the damage or harm done to its world and characters. It’s the same mindset used to excuse actual abuse and rape, and it’s tiring that an entire genre centers around this as entertainment and is projected as a space of female sexuality, the irony.
I haven’t finished but I like it so far. It’s pretty much very similar to this one in atmosphere minus the standard rigid seme and uke personality roles.
I don’t even mind if others disagree with me, this would be considered a diamond among the usual, but if you become accustomed to a certain standard, that’s only to be expected. Cliched stories aren’t bad stories but there is so much that could be improved on in this one especially given the foundation is clearly there for it be unique.
See then we differ completely because I loath plots like the ones you enjoy because that mentality can bleed into reality. That’s not to say this is the case for everyone or even for you for that matter, but fiction is not entirely removed from the realm of reality and both can be an influence to the other. My issue isn’t someone enjoying dragons and unicorns but when it’s along the lines of rape, murder, etc and every single plot is either a comedic or light hearted rendition, exposure to this becomes desensitizing. Rather no one expects to play violent video games to proceed a murder spree, but the separation of empathy blurs the impact of either experience. Hence you can have a character date raped, and a reader will apply the same logic of well they didn’t resist and alcohol isn’t enough to designate rape. Is that not already a problematic rhetoric of our current modern rape apologia? Providing material that reinforces these internalized biases and learned behaviors is just as much an impact regardless the medium of dissemination. Thank you for your suggestions though,I do enjoy reading mostly anything and you seem well versed.
Oh this was quite sad. It’s good.
I’ve wanted to watch the movie is it good?
Why aren't you still here looking for your favorite?
I’ll have to give if a watch now.Haha I’m like an open book now. Thank you :)
Also should tell you i stared solo leveling because of your rec. I like it. I even finished the novel version as well.
This plot is a mess. There’s open relationships and polyamory, but this isn’t it. The ML is a possessive narcissist who wants his cake and to it eat it too having two partners at his every beck and call. The FL is unbearably annoying and fetishizes her husband’s extra marital affair. ML doesn’t respect her and mostly treats her as if she needs to be placated (seen especially in their “intimate scenes”), because he knows what’s best for her. Nothing about this plot is enjoyable and makes fujoshis look even more irrational and ridiculous despite the plot’s intention to see this as comedic and endearing. It’s just yikes.
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Shiiiiii. You right(￣∇￣") but still Hahahahahahah
FACTS!!! I hate hate HATE the ml because he forced the fl to have sex with him multiple times, and he never told the lf about the affair. The fl found out about the affair on her own, and instead of doing something about it, she literally fetishizes it and tries to watch them doing it. How could you be so happy watching your partner have an affair that they tried to keep a secret from you?!
The whole setup of this plot makes me so uncomfortable.
why? ╮(￣▽￣)╭
(assuming I got this right) since Toma is in highschool he's around 16-18 (let's assume he's 17) and since Nao said he finished college when Rei, Toma's classmate, was born
so that means Nao is 41 years old leaving a 24 year age gap, which makes most people uncomfortable
I don’t really get the point of judging people who date guys who are older or younger than themselves, even if it’s a large age gap.
You date people your own age because you have something in common with them. You date people who are older (or younger) because you feel like you don’t have much in common with people your own age.
Cross generational relationships are pretty common in the gay community, and I hate how straight people see it as all daddy fetishes or perverted old men. Being gay already puts us in a small community; our relationship standards don’t have to be the same as straight people’s.
Even in the gay/ bi community it’s commented on because it can be fetishizing. You have older men after the age of 30-35 already being put to pasture called Daddy and sexualized for their sexual experience. And on the other end younger men barely out of their teens being coveted for their youth. Of course this happens in heterosexual couples just as well. Being part of the lgbtq+ doesn’t mean these issues shouldn’t be acknowledged. There are ways of addressing it that make sense to question age differences and ways that are clearly agist and a prejudice. Of course everyone should be with whomever they love. However in this plot you have a 20+ age gap that is directly related to their difference in maturity, current life goals, responsibilities, and most importantly how there’s a need for secrecy as it could ruin a father and his son’s relationship. The uke was lied to but after finding out the age of his UNDERAGE sexual partner continues to engage in a relationship with man who is not only his son’s age but also his son’s closes friend. Knowing this is wrong but allows it to continue. The maturity level of the seme is none existent, being childish enough to lie about his age, betray a friend’s trust and likely boundaries-having not spoken about how he’s pursing his friend’s closeted father. There so many elements to this plot that are problematic even disregarding the age of its two main character. This stuff does happen in real life too, and the drama of how this would implode an already tentative relationship between a father and his son all so he can continue to get dick is so unappealing to me and I’m sure to many people. I’m sure some can enjoy the fantasy or as I personally know with my own group of gay friends have pursued the said fantasy tried their luck and hope they don’t regret it.
I was mostly commenting on prejudices against age gaps, not on the particular circumstance of it in this manga. I guess I can address that later in my comment.... this is going to get long...
You’ve seen an age gap and have already labeled it as ‘an issue that needs to be acknowledged.’ Daddy and youth fetishization exist, sure, but if you see a couple with an age gap irl and immediately become judgmental and assume a problematic dynamic is happening, then you are probably not questioning unequal power dynamics. More likely you’re just prejudiced against non-conventional relationships. It IS a form of heteronormative projection, of trying to assign what makes a ‘correct’ and ‘healthy’ relationship, and monitor the types of relationships that should and shouldn’t exist.
If someone sees a gay interracial couple, and their immediate reaction is, ‘Well, they must only be together because they fetishize their racial difference,’ what’s happening is that person is trying to dismiss the validity of those relationships because of their own assuming prejudice. Do gay men sometimes fetishize race in terrible and problematic ways? Absolutely. Should this be addressed? Again, absolutely. But to use that as a framework for looking at and questioning ALL interracial relationships is just another way of trying to confirm people’s own (racist) biases.
Age and race makes an imperfect comparison, but I felt the similarities of cultural bias were striking enough to point out.
As far as this manga goes, I’m guessing the mangaka is trying to form a question around the age gap: If a kid has a terminal illness, should they be given the opportunity to have adult experiences before they die if that’s what they want? I haven’t read the raws, so I can only speculate, but all of those differences—maturity, life goals, responsibilities—how important are they when the kid has/had cancer? How does potential death/a-close-call with death change the priorities of a relationship? This is probably the question the mangaka is working towards. The premise seems similar to a very sad chapter in Love Mode.
The hard thing about a lot of BL is that the stories are not just erotic fantasy, like you pointed out, they are also fiction. There are stories with premises and questions beneath all the romanticized sex and unhealthily idealized relationships. The manga industry probably wouldn’t have published a lot of these stories if they weren’t half porn, and a lot of the problematics of BL manga come from that intersection of sincere storytelling and blatant pornography. So I usually read BL manga with that mentality.
I’m mature enough to see the lines between what is fantasy (the porno/jack off material), fiction (the story and questions the mangaka has), and reality. These stories aren’t hurting anyone by indulging in their sex fantasies or asking provocative questions. So why dwell on the problematics as if they were reality? I DO
wish mangago had a better tagging/content warning system so people could avoid the content they don’t want to see. It would probably reduce the number of times I’d have to make this dumb spiel.
Literally the fact they slept together makes no sense. It’s just a because I felt like drawing it situation. guess it’s going to be one of those plots.
yeah this is a yikes