max2payne0 February 17, 2021 6:37 pm

(This is just my opinion and I wanted to get it off my chest. I actually don't expect anyone to agree with me because most people who've read up to this point probably love this manhwa. On the plus side, I'm glad it's already mentioned in the manhwa that the og author was terrible about writing their characters. Proceed with caution.)

I just finished it, and it's okay, but I'm not the biggest fan. I always end up feeling sorry for the male leads in romances because they're usually just a prop for the heroine (just like every other character if the story is from her POV.) Their job is basically to look pretty and revolve around the female lead. So while I can see why so many people would love this, I can't help but view it as problematic, the same as the books that have the villainess become the goody two-shoes, and make the heroine the new villain (because of course, a heroine thinks the world revolves around her - um, no. This is true usually because the book is in the heroine's pov, it's rare to see a book that switches to a new main character without making the heroine terrible, to prop the villainess. worlds don't revolve around main characters, it appears that way, because the perspective we're seeing is the main character, so only they and those closest to them seem like well-rounded people some of the time. A story with broader perspective and many well rounded characters besides the mains can come off as long and annoying to a reader. I don't see why their personality should change when viewed from a different character, considering how deep in the the MC's psyche most stories tend to go. As a reader - and a writer - I can't get into this type of thinking, which is why I can't love such stories.)

If I have the right idea, the world is like a curse where the female lead has to go through everything that's happening over and over, but isn't it true for the male leads as well who are forced to revolve around the female lead? They're being led around by the plot of the story - and yet they get humiliated while the heroine gets saved. I'm glad they're getting redemption arcs, but this feels like the 'plot' just switched focus to Melissa, and the guys' personalities are being changed to suit her. And since it's already pretty visible, they'll probably start falling for her too (besides her bro, tho i see him going down the road of a siscon) even though we know the endgame is Nine.

There are times when i get sick of romances because of trash male leads and trash female leads. this story basically caters to the people who want to bash trash male leads, but it doesn't show us that they're trash people, it tells us as soon as they're introduced, then proceed with humiliating them, so I can't help but feel sorry for them. Because I imagine if the mc was a man, and the ml's were women, it would have gone an entirely different route. Ian and Melissa were toxic toward each other. Just because she genuinely loved the prince didn't mean it was okay for her to force her feelings on him (2nd female lead syndrome, because that's always how it goes, espc in kdramas) and blame everything on the women he cheated on her with, but let's ignore that and bash the prince anyway. It's swept aside very quickly, just because it's not the 'real' Melissa anymore. In another novel, her character would be the one getting bashed in the comments.

There's more I could say but it's hard to put my feelings into words. I just think the expectations towards men (that I've concluded from seeing comments in many manhwas since I got back into reading them and discovered the fantasy romance genre) can go a bit extreme, and I just don't agree with most of them. It's a nice idea, but I'll probably just skip to the end of the spoilers and not follow this story.

    Nana February 18, 2021 1:33 pm

    Sorry I clicked it by mistake, I wanted to click thumb up.

    max2payne0 February 18, 2021 5:33 pm
    Sorry I clicked it by mistake, I wanted to click thumb up. Nana

    That's fine :)

    Kdramaaddict February 19, 2021 3:01 am

    Yea I feel like the mls should have redemption but they should just suddenly be nice to the fl. I think the mls' stories are the biggest flaw with this book they need real justice.

    Kdramaaddict February 19, 2021 3:02 am
    Yea I feel like the mls should have redemption but they should just suddenly be nice to the fl. I think the mls' stories are the biggest flaw with this book they need real justice. Kdramaaddict

    I meant 'shouldn't'

    orangeheaven February 19, 2021 2:21 pm

    The story never said that OG Melissa was totally innocent. But also, saying she 'forced her feelings' on him---he was her fiance, by the king's decree. Melissa didn't force him to be her fiance and moreover, the Prince could break the engagement at any time but he didn't want to because he wanted the backing of her family. So he won't end their relationship because he wants to use her, but also cheats on her. That puts him way more in the wrong. But even beyond just cheating, he was deliberately hooking up with women where he knew Melissa would catch him to provoke her. Like inviting her to have lunch with him and her going, excited, only to find him in the middle of hooking up with another woman.

    That being said, it's not as if The Prince changed out of nowhere. He was a cooking cutter ML, more archetype than actual character. As you said, the ML's are defined entirely by their role in the story. Melissa, as a transmigrator, is not bound by the plot and that's why she is capable of effecting change. The Prince had never reflected on his actions because, before Melissa, no one had ever told him that what he was doing was wrong or put it in perspective. His behavior was shitty. But it's because he was programmed (by the author) that way and never corrected, not because he's irredeemably awful. Melissa's rebuke allows him to grow the way a real person could and might have.

    The same goes for her brother. Jack as well hasn't changed at all, it just that Melissa is stronger than him and she's beaten him into submission. Also, aside from the Prince, none of the other MLs fall for her. Jack remains whipped into obedience in the werewolf territory and Peacock still hates her.

    I think it's significant that it's the MLs being critiqued because, as you pointed out, many of these Villainess stories make the heroine be the villain because she expects the world to revolve around her. However, this story examines the toxic qualities inherent in these idealized ML characters in shoujo type stories. The ML who treats the MC nice but treats all other woman like trash. The yandere ML. The ML who follows the MC around without her knowing or consent to "protect her". These are all problematic and the manga is taking fire at them. Saying the heroine is now evil because she is angry over not having all the attention is arbitrary, but I can easily name a dozen manga with characters just like the MLs here whose behavior is creepy and/or toxic from any other perspective.

    But it's also acknowledging that these behaviors are part of 2D tropes, by allowing the MLs (some of them, anyway) to grow beyond them. To mature and improve like real people and good characters should.

    max2payne0 February 19, 2021 5:35 pm
    The story never said that OG Melissa was totally innocent. But also, saying she 'forced her feelings' on him---he was her fiance, by the king's decree. Melissa didn't force him to be her fiance and moreover, th... orangeheaven

    She didn't force him to be her fiance, no, but she was very open about her love for him, getting close to him physically, and she must have known he didn't feel the same way. The mc herself acknowledges this. In a way you can say she's forcing her feelings on him because she doesn't take into account that her actions make him uncomfortable. He didn't exactly hide it. While I do feel sorry for her, if that was a man flaunting his love towards a woman who didn't care for him, so many people would have a problem with it. Even when it's filtered through rose colored glasses of romance, there are readers who dislike that behaviour because it is not okay. It's literally what most 2nd female leads do, and they get flamed by readers in every manhwa/manga/webtoon/drama. I'm not saying what the prince did was right, but they were toxic to each other.

    "The same goes for her brother. Jack as well hasn't changed at all, it just that Melissa is stronger than him and she's beaten him into submission. Also, aside from the Prince, none of the other MLs fall for her. Jack remains whipped into obedience in the werewolf territory and Peacock still hates her."

    We've only just seen on the last 2 chapters that the plot is changing. The thing that forced the heroine to keep to her role was obviously going towards Melissa, so I think that's where we're headed in this story probably.

    Jake wasn't just beaten to submission. It happened, and he learned a lesson, but that doesn't mean he has to start acting nice to her out of nowhere, which he is. If anything I thought he'd start avoiding her after that, not blushing around her and getting irritated at her getting close to the prince, displaying obvious jealousy, when he didn't care about their relationship before. She notes it herself that both Jake and the Prince are acting differently. I don't doubt the plot could make it possible for the other of ml to also fall for her, like they did with the heroine, because even then it happened out of nowhere. They literally only see her, and they're in love. Jake meet even spoke to her before the hunt. It's a fantasy for women, and it's not like I hate it, but a book like this makes it glaringly obvious while still only flaming the guys which makes me uncomfortable, so that's why I'd be happy if they get to act like normal people and not caricatures of a woman's fantasy (like the bad boy/play boy only there to be tamed by the female lead, etc). And the only stalker ml that I know of is Edward Cullen, I don't know where the rest of them come from, because most mls I meet in stories have lives of their own and no time to follow a woman around all the time, they just happen to meet throughout the story on separate occasions. As for yandere mls, Peacock is an extreme version that I've never met. He's not even an ml, his character type would bet the villain in most of the books I read.

    A book like this would have it's audience. It's just not me, because watching characters get bashed and humiliated just for the sake of it makes me uncomfortable. I'd rather read a fluffy, uncomplicated romance than watch a woman beat sense into a bunch of men, no matter how deserved. The reverse would make me uncomfortable and so does this.

    HoneyBear February 21, 2021 1:32 am

    i agree with you in the “The past Melissa should kinda be held accountable as well” but I dont really agree with the feeling bad for the MLs cause to be fair they’re all pretty much assholes. Im hoping that this story goes more into the direction of Melissa correcting their messed up behaviour instead of them all falling for her

    MangaAnger9 February 21, 2021 12:04 pm
    The story never said that OG Melissa was totally innocent. But also, saying she 'forced her feelings' on him---he was her fiance, by the king's decree. Melissa didn't force him to be her fiance and moreover, th... orangeheaven

    Hello dear Mr Orangeheaven,

    Thank for doing the hard work of giving us detailed spoilers about Tear Moon Empire! I really respect and appreciate your effort.

    Now I am hoping to get your reasonable opinion about my question/issue.

    Yesterday under the comment topic "Hey guys! I realized sth recently!!!" I argued how I wished other transmigrated FLs/MCs were more like Melissa because many other FLs are weak, helpless, naive, passive, incompetent, clumsy etc. And they are put in absurd dangerous hostile situations (Misery Porn) where they have to suffer so the ML who is granted superior power, position, abilities and equipments gets reformed, more heroic, more sympathetic and more lovable for the audience.
    That's a very typical trope/plot device in fantasy romance novel settings with reincarnation.

    When I posted "I read some chapters and spoilers about the story The Viridescent Crown AND it became very clear to me that QUEEN BITCH MELISSA is one of the very few Isekai female protagonists who made the best decisions for herself + staying consequential!.
    Because everytime a transmigrated FL decides to get on the good side of the (usually dark haired) TSUNDERE ML with the priveledge of superior power, she becomes automatically everyone's target because of her personal connection with the larger than life infamous ML..."; I didn't really blamed the FL RAN from The Viridescent Crown for being a damsel in distress.
    I just express the thought that I prefer a badass like Melissa than Ran who gets constantly harassed and almost raped despite her cleverness and strength.

    Commentator Iphis appeared and defended Ran with lots of convincing arguments and facts why she is competent despite her limitations/restrictions. She has no choice but to rely on the ML to survive... It is unfair to compare her with Melissa because Melissa has more priveledges and advabtages than her.
    Other superior strong female badasses like Melissa wouldn't survive in Ran's world
    because of patriarchal, dark + messed up its society is.
    Well, I did agree with some of their many counter arguments and replied back my arguments but I was also personally bothered the way they answered with "If you actually want someone to be compared to Melissa, try the mcs of..."; "Did you forgot that..."; "You're asking her too much"; "You forgot..."; "No. So please, think it through..." and "So are we just gonna pretend that Ran...".
    I really didn't like their tone.

    Iphis was applying triadic reciprocal causation in Ran's situation.

    But after all the defense of Ran who has no choice but to be a damsel in distress that relies on the ML/her stepbrother because the author put her in unstable restricted position where she can't really do much like really talk back to anyone; I personally couldn't completely accept that. Maybe that was my mistake and I unintentionally provoked Iphis.

    Nevertheless commentator Iphis made some good points that challenged my view.
    While I agreed that Ran has lots of disadvantages but I can't help but asking if she were more shameless, bolder, sneakier, smarter, sharper... regardless of her postion + situation with assholes wouldn't it really make a difference since she is in a fantasy novel setting where anything is possible? FLs like Ran suffers endures all the violence/threats that happens in Telenovelas and MLs overcome more easily the odds against him.
    What makes me love Melissa is her unusual cathartic FUCK YOU attitude.

    You should be able to discover this comment section at the current first page.

    What is your take on my intense argument with Iphis?
    How much was I actually wrong? Why did the discussion became so intense?

    MangaAnger9 February 21, 2021 12:33 pm

    You and I both share very similar thoughts.

    I also started to question this genre and its toxic tropes.

    I argued that "Common Sense of a Duke’s Daughter" started all the dramatic character plot twists and turns followed by The Abandoned Empress and Remarried Empress...

    The ML always has to be in most Fantasy Korean Eurocentric Novel Settings a obsessive overmultitalented privledged royal tsundere manchild that makes the usually selfless forgiving saintlike FL suffer and cry until he realized his big deep love for her and reforms for her sake.

    And even when the FL decided to become a evilish cunning bad bitch, her power/efforts is often undermined by the superior ML who mistreated/threatened/manhandled her at the beginning.
    Another common trope FL turns to be more special that she actually is.
    She is the true chosen one, is the hidden lost princess from a far away distant land, connection to a famous magical important parent/predecessor or reincarnation of a powerful goddess...

    The Justice of Villainous Woman and The Villainess Reverses the Hourglass + many other Chinese Novels/Manhuas with similar premises.

    I noticed that there also always pure evil characters, endlss evil stupid jealous bitches, chauvinistic perverted men, hidden antagonists, toxic tsundere MLs, one overlooked unappreciated 2nd Male Lead Syndrome, Evil Parents, White Lotuses, Green Tea Bitches, Misery Porn etc in general Fantasy Romance Stories.

    What always makes me perplexed is the fact that shitty rival women, father/kings and MLs are often easily forgiven for their bad decision and heinous misdeeds.

    MangaAnger9 February 21, 2021 12:44 pm

    Also I keep asking the question:

    Why is literally anyone becomes interested in the MC/FL for better or worse when she suddenly changed?

    Can't she be a badass without all the constant attention?

    I find it so surreal when many influential men started to be interested in the new better version of the FL...

    MangaAnger9 February 21, 2021 11:26 pm
    The story never said that OG Melissa was totally innocent. But also, saying she 'forced her feelings' on him---he was her fiance, by the king's decree. Melissa didn't force him to be her fiance and moreover, th... orangeheaven

    Hello again Orangeheaven!

    After some self-reflection I realized my impulsive move and I want to apologize for dumping this big question/issue of mine on you.

    I can only hope you weren't that much bothered or overwhelmed.

    Sorry for the inconvenience!

    orangeheaven February 22, 2021 10:37 pm
    Hello dear Mr Orangeheaven,Thank for doing the hard work of giving us detailed spoilers about Tear Moon Empire! I really respect and appreciate your effort. Now I am hoping to get your reasonable opinion about ... MangaAnger9

    Hi hello!! I am late replying this and also shocked, baffled, and flattered that you're interested in my opinion.

    Unfortunately, I haven't read The Viridescent Crown (I will add it to my read list though!), so I'm afraid I can't really provide much insight on the topic of the FL and her quality as a protagonist.

    I'll start off by saying, I do understand where you come from. In the last few years, I've found that I have very low patience or tolerance for FL's who are damsels-in-distress and need consistent saving, and tent to insist on protagonists like Melissa or Roel from This Girl Is A Little Wild or The Lady and the Beast's Astina or even straight up villainesses like Tia from The Villainess Lives Twice. I want strong, independent FL protagonists doing strong, independent things.

    That being said, I also don't want to completely dismiss the validity and reality of narratives about women with no power just struggling to survive with what they can. It is, honestly, a narrative much closer to historical (or not so historical, depending on your corner of the world) reality. A manga I love that pops into my head is Ebony. There is absolutely value and truth in a story about struggling to survive in a patriarchal society where women are second class, dissent means death, and a female's only protections are her social standing and the men she is connect to. Not all people, and so not all FLs, are great fighters or the most brilliant tacticians in the world (frankly if I ended up isekai'd, I would be thoroughly screwed unless I got some serious magical cheats, because my clever scheme skills are nil and I can't even walk up a flight of stairs without getting winded). In a society where your social standing, gender, race, or whatever else means you are ground into the dirt and you don't have the tools to fight back (or even survive attempting to fight back), just lifting your head is a victory. I get that.

    But it's a reality that makes me angry and exhausted and, for the most part, I don't want that from the media I consume for escapism and catharsis.

    It also comes down to how serious the genre is. Beware of the Villainess is ultimately a comedy and the nuances of rank and prestige don't really factor in much in terms of risk factors and character motivation. In a more realistic manga, there is no way the Prince could have illicit relations with any number of noble born girls without it irrevocably ruining their reputation/causing conflict with their families; Melissa talking disrespectfully to a member of the royal family could end up with her imprisoned or worse; her participating in a hunting event that's meant for men would be met with a lot more backlash, violence, and censure; etc etc. Yes, Melisa had that one nobleman confront her at the hunt, but there's a big difference between having to deal with one or two assholes and having to contend with an entire society and the threat of serious penal retribution. Beware of the Villainess and Melissa get away with a lot more because of the liberal nature of both its tone and setting as compared to something more sober, like Ebony or Lady To Queen. (Again, I haven't read Viridescent Crown so I can't speak to it's tone or setting and am therefore talking in generalities).

    But, I think what makes the difference for me is how the FL responds and what the point of the story is. So she's been harassed and raped...is she now falling in love with her harasser and the story treating that as alright and not problematic!? Yes, absolutely she may have little to no control over her external environment and little choice over who and what she relies on for survive and/or flourish, but she absolutely has control over how she FEELS about it.

    And also, Is the focus of the story on this misogynistic society and the FL's struggle to survive in it when she is powerless, or is it just a romance that ignores it's patriarchal setting except as a tool to make excuses for the ML to protect and pamper the FL and have it look romantic? Again, I'm thinking of Ebony and how her suffering as a woman in a misogynistic society. It plays to the tune of the ML saving and protecting her, but the onus of the story is still on the FL's growth and development, emotionally they stand on equal footing, and I think most importantly the ML supports the rights of not just this one woman he happens to be interested in, but of all women.

    As for why it got heated, I'd imagine its because when someone reads a character as a victim, it's easy to feel very defensive of the character and that victimhood. I think it's also just the complexity of gender nuances and the inherent biases surrounding female characters and the way they are portrayed. There is a fine line between calling out poorly written female characters and shaming female characters for daring to be weak and need help even when it is in context of the narrative and reasonable character development for them to be so.

    I want to note though that you concluding your argument with Iphis with "It was an experience to have a very difficult discussion with you" was so full of grace, open mindedness, and maturity. Wowow!

    Anyway, I'm so sorry for this massive text rant I've thrown at you. I don't think I answered all of your questions and points and I'm sure I was of little help since I haven't read the referenced manga, but I hope I helped a little! And I'm happy to conintue the discussion.

    MangaAnger9 February 23, 2021 2:17 am

    I don't mind. Thank you very much for giving me such great detailed response.
    I really appreciate it :)

    After reading countless Harleyquin Romance Mangas and Fantasy Romance Webtoons I realized sth important:
    Many authors prefer and overuse the OVERPOWERED TSUNDERE MANCHILD BADBOY TYPE.
    And the FLs always often display traits like INNOCENT SELFLESSNESS KINDNESS DEMURE NESS POSITIVITY CLUMSYNESS EMPATHY FORGIVING NURTURING BEAUTY etc...
    They are either Mary Sues, Damsel in Distress or both with some agency.
    But in most cases in manwahs, manhuas or mangas despite being the MC their stories often revolve about brooding violent generral shitty alphaholes. And no matter how strong or smart the FLs are or get, their power, comptence and self-emancipation are always easily undermined/weaken by the superior more priveledged arrogant MLs.
    Why do MLs/Scum men irrlogically gets suddenly interested in the FL they looked down in the past when she radically changed???

    I truly hate the logic of female protagonist ends up with the one who either mistreated her or killed her in the first life for stupid ridiculous reasons.

    I am pretty sure by now the reason why these FLs have to suffer so much pain and trials, is, so that the ML assholes upon seeing and realizing the tremendous misery of their mistreated FLs they get reformed, become more mature, heroic and devoted/obsessesive.
    Funny thing is, their misery(porn) is often caused indirectly by the MLs.
    Her getting disrespected, bullied, threatened, kidnapped, harmed, almost killed or raped by evil jealous bitches, perverted trash rivals, political enemies or worse jerks is due to her being unwillingly connected to the most powerful influential desirable ML/Prince/Duke...
    BEAUTY & THE BEAST SYNDROME

    I always wonder why these female authors like to put their MCs/FL in absurd hellish Telenovela situation? (Youtube: TELENOVELAS ARE HELL)
    Trope: Modern Korean Woman gets reincarnated in a misogynistic dangerous bloody abusive enviroment where she has to charm the tyrannical father, brothers or stepbrother.

    Male authors on the other hand always give their male transmigrated protagonists better options, advantages or equipments/accesses even if they are struggling in a hostile strange world. They would never put them in shitty situations like the females...

    I don't care about the argument "She can't do this or that because it wouldn't be realistic!"
    But the thing is, this is a fantasy genre world where everything can be possible!!!

    More quick infos about Viridescent Crown:
    https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/the-viridescent-crown.114628/
    I personally wouldn't recommend this story...

    I rather like to recommend these progressive stories about emancipation/empowerment:
    The Pet Of The Villainess and Kingdom Of The Queen
    And there is the manhua called "CHEATING MEN MUST DIE". ^^
    I am always hyped when the MC criticizes the worlds based on trash romance novels^^

    I really like the story of Ebony and the ML is a rare male feminist.
    But the one character that I really interested in is the mysterious conquering red haired empress who hasn't make a real appearence yet.

    https://www.rejectedprincesses.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ab4rYDR0yY
    Cleopatra’s Little Sister vs. The World (feat. Aubrey Plaza and David Wain) - Drunk History

    By the way my first feminist manga was SAILOR MOON ^^

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcAYJtuaY-4
    Sailor Moon Eternal - Inner and Outer Senshi All Mini Trailers

    I personally believe there is power in every one of us regardless of status, age, gender and race despite me being a fatalist/pessimist.

    MangaAnger9 February 23, 2021 2:25 am
    Hi hello!! I am late replying this and also shocked, baffled, and flattered that you're interested in my opinion. Unfortunately, I haven't read The Viridescent Crown (I will add it to my read list though!), so ... orangeheaven

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D8nRpJsQlk
    Little Women (2019) - Marriage Is an Economic Proposition Scene (3/10) | Movieclips

    Powerful scene about a seemingly stereotypical conventional materialistic woman!

    MangaAnger9 February 24, 2021 1:15 pm
    Hi hello!! I am late replying this and also shocked, baffled, and flattered that you're interested in my opinion. Unfortunately, I haven't read The Viridescent Crown (I will add it to my read list though!), so ... orangeheaven

    I think I didn't reply to your message directly, so just in case again:

    I don't mind. Thank you very much for giving me such great detailed response.
    I really appreciate it :)

    After reading countless Harleyquin Romance Mangas and Fantasy Romance Webtoons I realized sth important:
    Many authors prefer and overuse the OVERPOWERED TSUNDERE MANCHILD BADBOY TYPE.
    And the FLs always often display traits like INNOCENT SELFLESSNESS KINDNESS DEMURE NESS POSITIVITY CLUMSYNESS EMPATHY FORGIVING NURTURING BEAUTY etc...
    They are either Mary Sues, Damsel in Distress or both with some agency.
    But in most cases in manwahs, manhuas or mangas despite being the MC their stories often revolve about brooding violent generral shitty alphaholes. And no matter how strong or smart the FLs are or get, their power, comptence and self-emancipation are always easily undermined/weaken by the superior more priveledged arrogant MLs.
    Why do MLs/Scum men irrlogically gets suddenly interested in the FL they looked down in the past when she radically changed???

    I truly hate the logic of female protagonist ends up with the one who either mistreated her or killed her in the first life for stupid ridiculous reasons.

    I am pretty sure by now the reason why these FLs have to suffer so much pain and trials, is, so that the ML assholes upon seeing and realizing the tremendous misery of their mistreated FLs they get reformed, become more mature, heroic and devoted/obsessesive.
    Funny thing is, their misery(porn) is often caused indirectly by the MLs.
    Her getting disrespected, bullied, threatened, kidnapped, harmed, almost killed or raped by evil jealous bitches, perverted trash rivals, political enemies or worse jerks is due to her being unwillingly connected to the most powerful influential desirable ML/Prince/Duke...
    BEAUTY & THE BEAST SYNDROME

    I always wonder why these female authors like to put their MCs/FL in absurd hellish Telenovela situation? (Youtube: TELENOVELAS ARE HELL)
    Trope: Modern Korean Woman gets reincarnated in a misogynistic dangerous bloody abusive enviroment where she has to charm the tyrannical father, brothers or stepbrother.

    Male authors on the other hand always give their male transmigrated protagonists better options, advantages or equipments/accesses even if they are struggling in a hostile strange world. They would never put them in shitty situations like the females...

    I don't care about the argument "She can't do this or that because it wouldn't be realistic!"
    But the thing is, this is a fantasy genre world where everything can be possible!!!

    More quick infos about Viridescent Crown:
    https://forum.novelupdates.com/threads/the-viridescent-crown.114628/
    I personally wouldn't recommend this story...

    I rather like to recommend these progressive stories about emancipation/empowerment:
    The Pet Of The Villainess and Kingdom Of The Queen
    And there is the manhua called "CHEATING MEN MUST DIE". ^^
    I am always hyped when the MC criticizes the worlds based on trash romance novels^^

    I really like the story of Ebony and the ML is a rare male feminist.
    But the one character that I really interested in is the mysterious conquering red haired empress who hasn't make a real appearence yet.

    https://www.rejectedprincesses.com/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ab4rYDR0yY
    Cleopatra’s Little Sister vs. The World (feat. Aubrey Plaza and David Wain) - Drunk History

    By the way my first feminist manga was SAILOR MOON ^^

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcAYJtuaY-4
    Sailor Moon Eternal - Inner and Outer Senshi All Mini Trailers

    I personally believe there is power in every one of us regardless of status, age, gender and race despite me being a fatalist/pessimist.

max2payne0 February 17, 2021 3:14 pm

I mean, it's a nice story but I'm not even half way through and I kind of can't stand it. I love romances, that means I love most of the tropes (or even if I don't love it I'm too used to it so I automatically rationalize it to get on with the story.) This story seems like it was only made to talk shit about male lead tropes that are problematic in real life, but in an ironic? kind of way so it's not to be taken seriously. It also overturns fl tropes.

But there are parts I like and parts that make me roll my eyes, because I don't read crack fics which is basically what this is. The only character I actually like so far is Jake and mostly only because he's so pretty. He's also her younger brother, so I know he's not a male lead candidate for the mc and I can like him safely.

max2payne0 February 17, 2021 12:15 am

The story is cute, it's also a quick easy read. The art looks odd at parts, but then has some really pretty scenes. The final chapter had the most of them, Alec looked really pretty hugging Yui and smiling

max2payne0 February 16, 2021 8:18 pm

Like why can't the fl and the heroine just be friends? Why does the original 'innocent heroine' have to be a hidden bitch? Why, when I read villainess stories, is it just the author changing their roles, so the innocent heroine is the villain, and the villainess becomes the innocent heroine? I read stories because I intend to root for the protagonists, so I really hate this idea, there's like? 5 isekai manhwa and one manga where the original characters (usually the heroine) aren't turned to trash so the villainess can shine, from like 20 manga and over a hundred manhwa.

max2payne0 February 16, 2021 7:04 pm

I think it's funny how I really love transmigration novels when it's bl and the 'villain' ends up with the protagonist, because there's no heroine who has to take the fall and be an antagonist. They're just usually ignored and not part of the plot. I just can't trust the hetero ones.

    corpse simp February 21, 2021 7:55 pm

    there's such a thing ? can you recommend some of these bls ?

    max2payne0 February 22, 2021 8:14 pm
    there's such a thing ? can you recommend some of these bls ? corpse simp

    There's plenty, try these, they're my favorites:

    Every day the Protagonist Wants to Capture Me (MC wakes up as the villain character and ends up with the protagonist)

    Scum Vilain Self-Saving system (Completed: I'd suggest reading the reviews/spoilers. the beginning of the story is nice, but there's a part in the middle that ruined the story for me, Villain character MC.)

    In these, the transmigrator doesn't end up in the body of the villain, but they're all great:

    The Reader and Protagonist Definitely have to be in True Love (completed)

    Transmigrating into a Mob Character to Rehabilitate the Villain Plan (AKA Villain Rehab Plan. Completed - MC ends up with the villain)

    I’ve Led the Villain Astray, How Do I Fix It? (MC ends up with the villain)

    Picked up by the protagonist of a Tormented! MC novel (MC ends with the protagonist)

    Never Thought You’d Be This Kind of Hero (slow to update, but hilarious, the MC starts off playing a game, but once he kills the demon king, he's part of the world and can't leave.)


    There's more, but these were the best of what I read in Isekai bl. They all have a page on novel updates, links to read the stories are also there.

max2payne0 February 15, 2021 9:39 pm

I'm not a fan of the new art style, probably because I was fond of the old one and Elissa looked so cute. It honestly feels like I'm reading a different story.

max2payne0 February 11, 2021 10:13 pm

I question the logic of some of the fl's in these stories. If she just didn't want to die by his hands, she could have just not gone against the og heroine.

max2payne0 February 9, 2021 4:40 pm

Guy's, I think he knows she's not really his sister

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She sticks with him hoping he'll help her out while knowing she's really he brother of the hero. But he knows (?) from the beginning that she's no normal child and she's not his sister. She just doesn't know that he knows until later. I remember this much from the novel spoilers.

max2payne0 February 8, 2021 8:17 pm

The forced quarantine makes it obvious this story was done in 2020...

max2payne0 February 8, 2021 3:51 pm

Also, I kinda love this story because it doesn't turn the 'hero' evil just so the 'villain' can be a sympathetic protagonist.

(And I just read through the promo that gives away so much plot than the novel does in the first several chapters and glosses over some of the bloody stuff in the beginning?)

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