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I didn’t like the MC, I think he has a shitty personality, like a third-rate cannon fodder character. So I stopped at ch16 but I also wanted to see how this ends so I skipped to ch 82, where MC’s manager gets stabbed by a sasaeng fan. Then MC blames the app, blames himself a bit, but mostly just think it’s everybody else’s fault. When he found out about the app’s origin, he ran away from ML and ignored him for days. I just don’t get this trash person. He was the one who wanted to use the app for his own benefit, ML didn’t know about his illness at all. The MC was the one who wanted to use the ML as the app told him to, and barged into the ML’s life by himself, the ML didn’t know anything about the app and MC’s motives in trying to get closer to him. Am I right? So now, why is the MC punishing the ML, and why does he think that their relationship was manipulated by the app? I don’t know who liked who first, but I definitely know the MC had ulterior motives in approaching the ML and their acquaintanceship was definitely not spontaneous but forced by MC. t’s not like the app held him down to be in a relationship with the ML. The ML was basically a victim thrice over, by his father, by the shitty app, and by MC. What right does the MC have to mope about their relationship?

Nice premise but everyone’s so dumbed down, I got so angry and frustrated all I can do is laugh.

It never fails to astound me how these MCs keep wanting to meet their r*pists again, and unless someone else insists to come along, they’d even do it alone. Sometimes, I wonder if some part of them is actually just asking for it. I know, I’m sorry. I just don’t understand this logic, this mindset. Do they really think they’re dealing with someone like Swiper who can be persuaded as long as you tell him to go away enough times?

People clearly haven’t read Cnovels or manhuas much lol. They really think Chen Xing considers Lin Xiucheng a real father??? Hahaha, in Cnovels everyone wants to be everyone else’s father and anyone who has the money and is willing to spend it on you to raise you is the real daddy, no matter the age or gender (yes, even girls want to be daddies). This is the essence of the gold daddy.
And clearly, Lin Xiucheng is not much older than Chen Xing, maybe 7-9 years older (CX is maybe 18-19 as he said he had stayed in the orphanage for 16 years but he was already 2-3 years old when he first arrived, in other words: NOT A MINOR as he can travel to other countries and check into hotels on his own). Even though Lin Xiucheng is already the head of the Lin Group, he is still of the third generation with cousins who are almost the same age as Chen Xing. It’s only his authority, power, and money that qualify him as a father to someone of the same generation, it has nothing to do with his age. Everyone is just calling him old man, the poor guy… Well, he is indeed an old man compared to the tender Chen Xing, but certainly not so old as to father a biological child as old as Chen Xing.
I’ve read plenty of BL Cnovels with an ML around the 25-28 age mark with an adopted son (could be the MC, could be the 2nd mL/villain) of the same generation around the same age (for various reasons but mostly for inheritance purposes) so I’m not so surprised with this kind of dynamic. They’ve only met each other for how long? Certainly not long enough to develop a real father/son relationship, especially with Chen Xing already that old with such s small age gap, but maybe a mentor/mentee or guardian/ward relationship which in these kinds of situations could easily be steered to develop into a romantic relationship by the author.
In terms more understandable to most, this is basically just a sugar daddy/sugar baby relationship that became real. In the first place, Lin Xiucheng had no real intentions to adopt Chen Xing as a son, he just took him in because he could afford to raise someone (not sexually) and maybe he was going along with the 2nd uncle who obviously had ulterior motives in sending a person to Lin Xiucheng as a bed warmer. In the first place, Chen Xing being “adopted” was clearly understood by everyone in the know (including his biological family who sold him off, and maybe the orphanage director, even Chen Xing himself) as being kept, becoming a sugar baby, a canary, and a bought plaything. There is no real expectations of being someone’s real son. Otherwise, why would Chen Xing’s biological father even go to the trouble of bringing back an illegitimate child instead of just handing over his legitimate son when being the son to the head of the Lin Group is such a good deal? Lin Xiucheng saying he was going to raise him as a successor at the beginning was only to catch the enemies off-guard and see what else they’re going to come up with as they clearly would not expect that. Maybe Chen Xing did have some small expectations since Lin Xiucheng offered to adopt him as a son in front of others but he quickly realized that’s not the case once they were alone. Finally, he just wanted to either have a good life or be allowed to go back to the orphanage if possible.

Kinda stupid. Makes me glad I don’t have that someone who claims they’ve loved me for forever only to fuck around while “loving” me. It’s fine to have a past with or without love (heck, even divorced people certainly have a chance at new love), but I don’t understand how it’s okay to sleep around with other people while saying you’ve only ever loved one person… I mean, sure, I kinda understand doing it to try to move on but he hadn’t even confessed yet or gotten rejected yet and the other person was still trying his best to get where they both can be together. Do other people think that this is just normal and natural? That since they’re not together yet, what happens before the relationship starts means nothing at all? Sure, Tsukasa technically didn’t betray Riku but he sure as hell betrayed himself and the love he’s held on for so long. If sex with other people doesn’t mean anything, just technically seeking bodily pleasures, in short - masturbating but with other people, then what does his love of ten years even really mean anyway? I’m not angry at Tsukasa for Riku or anything like that ‘cause as I said, he technically didn’t betray Riku or their relationship since they weren’t in one yet, I’m angry at Tsukasa for Tsukasa and as a principle. I’m not mad he slept around, I’m mad he slept around while in love with someone. Like, please cherish yourself more and please cherish your spiritual and emotional health a little bit more. Saving yourself for someone special might sound cheesy or even ridiculous and something only a virgin would say, but I really believe it can be fulfilling in a higher level than physical pleasure. “Do it with someone you like” might sound old-school and your first time might not be your last or your forever, and it might not even be someone you have any particular feelings for, but at least don’t be let it be someone that’s not the person you actually love and don’t let there be a divide between your body and soul - that’s just being disrespectful on three counts: to your sexual partner, to your “feelings”, and most importantly, to yourself.

This is just me, though, and if you don’t agree then be kind to yourself and don’t take it to heart.

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/2055/uu/to_chapter-oneshot/pg-31/

https://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/2055/uu/to_chapter-oneshot/pg-32/

At Ch8, subordinate seme (Aesang) resigned and then wished a curse upon his bad boss (Hanseol). At Ch 9, their souls woke up at each other’s bodies, which means although we see Hanseol waking up at Aesang’s house and Aesang calling him from the CEO’s office, we’re actually just looking at their souls. The bodies they inhabit are the other person’s which is shown only when they look in the mirror and as how other characters see them. They themselves don’t perceive the switch when looking at the other person, which means to say that Hanseol can only see that he is inside Aesang’s body when looking at the mirror and he still sees Aesang as Aesang even though in real life, he should be looking at his own face and body with another soul inhabiting it. Notice how at Ch 11, when Hanseol was doing the crazy ritual dance, Aesang did not find it funny or strange until he noticed the reflection of the dancer on the glass windows and saw it was actually his own face and body being used by Hanseol to dance. In Ch 12, they were talking about how Hanseol slapped Aesang and how it shouldn’t hurt their feelings as they were essentially just slapping their own bodies but Aesang couldn’t slap Hanseol because even though he knew it was actually his own body that he was slapping and not actually Hanseol’s face, he said: “Sure, you’re in my body… but what I see in front of me is you, Hanseol.” Then in Ch 13, when they started kissing, we see these sparkles and this pink aura-like effect, which I first assumed was just to give the panel a romantic feeling, but was actually visible to them, just that Aesang was too far gone and Hanseol was too intoxicated to actually pay attention to it, maybe he even thought he was just dizzy and seeing things. This effect was actually the indicator that they had already switched their bodies back. They don’t notice because even though they were in each other’s bodies, they still retained their perception of the other and their own body’s senses. Hanseol said: “So I’ve been thinking about this. Even though our souls have switched places, the physical sensations I feel are exactly the same, isn’t that strange?” He described it as “It’s as if we’ve entered an upside down world where both our minds and bodies remain the way they used to be.” He further said: “Are you sure you’re okay with this? Even though what we see is each other (Hanseol see Aesang and vice versa)… in reality, it would be me doing you.” They still haven’t realized that they’ve already switched back since the kiss so everything afterwards was actually Aesang topping Hanseol both in reality and in their perspective and there was never anything like Hanseol’s body topping Aesang’s body. Their perspective of each other even when in the other’s body really doesn’t change from their original and they’re also high on alcohol so it would have been pretty hard to notice the switch back. In Ch 14, there were hints like Hanseol thinking that his body’s erection (that Aesang should have had) should really not have been as big as what he’s feeling at the moment coming from Aesang and Aesang saying that no matter what, he really feels like he’s touching the real Hanseol even though it should have logically been his own body that he was touching at the moment. Ch 15 is when Hanseol first realized that something was not quite right since his own body should not have had the stamina that Aesang currently had so he starts to doubt if their souls really had been switched in the first place, then a thought comes and he realizes that maybe at some point in the very immediate past, they might have already switched back into their original bodies and just hadn’t noticed yet so he starts looking for a mirror but it wasn’t until quite some good time later that they were finally able to check and confirm that they had indeed switched back to their own bodies through the bathroom mirror when their reflections were the correct faces and bodies. Hanseol then suspects the strange light he thought was just his imagination, while Aesang was just confused and unaware, having not noticed the phenomenon Hanseol did. They were also unsure what the trigger was (they were reasonably suspecting the sex) but they were pretty convinced the light was the indicator of the switch. And that’s the end of that for the body swap.

Currently:
1. Minato saw Shizuma being driven by the director to their date and Shizuma and director had this hair interaction might have been completely innocent but it sure as hell looked suspicious.
2. Of course, Minato was mad jealous and just out of his mind. Shizuma thinks he’s cute until…
3. Minato tried to SA Shizuma even though Shizuma was scared. Thankfully he came to his senses and stopped.
4. We find out the real reason why Shizuma is still so nice to his ex even though he got cheated on by the bitch. It was because he felt partly to blame for her cheating. I mean, Shizuma, bro, you are partly to blame for your relationship not working out by being constantly absent and not giving her enough priority to feel loved and in an actual relationship with you but you also gotta understand, a bitch is a bitch is a bitch. Her cheating was her original sin. If you felt something was wrong, talk to her and demand answers as is your right as a boyfriend with concerns regarding your relationship, you failed in that so she got tired. As a girlfriend, though, if she got tired and she does not talk to you about it, even just to ask for a break-up and instead she cheated on you, then it’s her failure as a human being. That’s what you gotta understand, but this relationship isn’t completely useless as it should have taught you to maybe pay more attention to how you tend to give so little time to your relationships takes it for granted that your partner waits for you (entitled much?) and if they don’t talk to you, then you can and should demand some real substantial answers instead of just constantly waiting. It’s your right and responsibility to the relationship.
5. Minato is realizing that he’s gradually turning into someone he hates. He has hurt Shizuma and is feeling guillty over it so he apologizes and seriously tells Shizuma to not be okay about his [Minato’s] behavior. Minato has always been self-aware about his toxicity and inferiority but he still wants to be with Shizuma even though Shizuma is currently not providing him with enough security in their relationship. SPOILER: In the next chapter or the one after (?), it’s the morning after scene, Minato admits that he is indeed in the wrong for being so sensitive and that he cannot bring himself to take Shizuma away from a job he loves in a work environment he is finally getting the hang of, so he will try to be more understanding. He just asks that Shizuma always be showing off how good their relationship is to his colleagues as a means of security for Minato, a request which Shizuma although embarassed still complies with. Minato’s efforts of self-reflection, I really do believe has paid for but maybe he should still consider professional therapy just for good measure or they could also go to couple’s therapy as a relationship goal?
6. SPOILER: In the same scene as above, Shizuma asks Minato if he should just change jobs away from the director. He still thinks that the director is triggering Minato and does not realize even though Minato does, that there could be any number of directors that could trigger Minato just about anywhere. It is Shizuma’s attitude towards them and the boundaries or lack thereof that he sets up in his interaction with them that is the real trigger to Minato’s anxiety and insecurity. I seriously think they need couple therapy.
7. Remember how #1, Minato only knows that Shizuma was driven to their date by the director and he does not yet know the reason being that he was almost late because they stopped at a cafe in a “totally-innocent-but-kinda-date-like” afternoon coffee break and even went shopping for clothes that Shizuma was gonna wear on his date with Minato together in a completely “innocent and professional manner” which was conveniently spotted by some of Minato’s very mischivous and shady ‘friends’.
8. SPOILER: Early chapters of Vol 4 is about looking into apartments together, though really sweet was a bit problematic as Shizuma is totally unaware of how unrelated people would view their relationship. He’s not wrong, though, and with the reason the landlord gave, the landlord was also not wrong. It’s the current society that really just cannot let them be. And maybe Shizuma is just now realizing since he had always been honest and upfront about this and everyone he knew was understanding and supportive, so far.
9. #7 is totally gonna come back to be milked thoroughly, and while people can say Minato is just too sensitive and problematic and traumatized and unhinged and just plain red, imagine yourself in his shoes being told what those two friends might tell you. “Hey, I saw your boyfriend and this chick shopping for clothes together last day or so.” Then you realize, “What, the clothes he wore to our date that time he was driven there by his boss?” I dunno about you but just this would make me feel totally shitty. What excuses can there be for your boyfriend to shop for his clothes together with his boss to not make it sound sus and just completely over the line? Sure, I know you love me, but that just makes me feel even shittier about myself right now. I could tolerate less than what Minato has already tolerated in the name of that’s just how Shizuma is, he’s an all-around nice guy, that’s just how it is working in the health service industry, and maybe it really is Minato’s fault for being such a sensitive person dating such a nice guy, but as I’ve been saying, Minato has tolerated more than what I could tolerate in his place. So maybe it’s just me, maybe it’s just Minato. I don’t have trauma like his, maybe I’m just too toxic.
10. Maybe this is the point I’ve been waiting for when Shizuma realizes what I’ve been wanting him to realize all along. That it’s not about the director, it’s about your attitude towards this person that’s the problem. Maybe it’s the difference in culture, I just don’t understand. I don’t know. People can always find things to defend Shizuma with that I’ll never be able to understand nor agree with. I just want Shizuma to realize he needs to set up boundaries with people. Be professional in the workplace for a healthier work environment and healthier relationship with work colleagues. If you can’t be mean to your ex, then at least learn to be indifferent, don’t indulge her. Things like that, the right boundaries just make for healthier interpersonal relationships, I believe. As Robert Frost said, good fences make good neighbors.

So I wanted to write a reply to @Morax0502 but halfway through it just got so long…

Right??? Like, he’s not putting up boundaries when at work, he does not properly start a conversation when the problem’s at his end (broken appointments and the threat of a third party) and he knows the problem’s at his end.

Volume 2’s be like, “Shizuma’s love might be too overbearing” but when it matters, it’s just non-existent.

His ex be a bad human for cheating but it’s not like Shizuma had no hand in their break-up when he keeps being absent in the relationship. He’s also thinking why his partners just don’t tell him anything, he wants them to complain to him and tell him what they want him to do, even though he does realize that his performance in the relationship is poor but he’s not the one asking the right questions, just waits for them to start talking.

I mean, Shizuma’s supposed to be the one with relationship experience, right? And even though Minato’s nightlife was previously very active and he’s been a witness to a major relationship fail as a child, he’s practically new to a serious and healthy relationship. And Minato’s already trying enough, in my opinion, by holding his paranoid nature back. Although we all agree it could be useful to let himself be a little verbal and selfish but he clearly has no experience judging just how much is enough and how much is too much and he’s just scared because he knows he might and can be awful and he doesn’t wanna be awful to Shizuma.

And Shizuma knows all of these! However, it just seems like Shizuma doesn’t learn anything from his previous break-up. He’s constantly terrified that everything from his relationship with his ex is just repeating itself but he doesn’t do anything about it. He knows from his experience that he’s not doing his partner right somehow and he knows something is bugging them but he doesn’t want to ask, he just assumes they want him to guess, but he doesn’t want to guess, he wants them to come talk to him directly, but maybe they were just waiting for him to care and sit their asses down and seriously ask and go past the “I’m fine” and “I don’t want to trouble you” so they could open up. Shizuma does realize that maybe he’s not giving his partner enough reassurance to be able to open themselves up to him and be selfish knowing they won’t be hated for it, but he does nothing to provide the reassurance they lack and need from him, just waits. I just don’t know about Shizuma right now. Maybe, that’s also why he’s in veterinary medicine and not psychology but come on…

And Minato, is also just so broken, and I want better for him but maybe Shizuma is the best fit, he just has to be the man he was on Therapy Game, he was perfect that time. Now, it’s like Therapy Game’s ending and resolution is just gone. Therapy Game Restart Vol 3 is just milking Minato’s past trauma and paranoia and making him get over them himself even though he’s in a perfectly fine relationship now when Shizuma was willing and up for helping him back when they were just fuck buddies before. What’s the use of being in a relationship then? Where is the fine example of “humans are social creatures” and “even when they can’t save themselves, with the right help, two people can succeed where one cannot”? Where is the character development, as individuals, as a couple?

Honestly, the seme was okay. He’s the one who’s steady, knows what he wants, and is mostly straightforward about it unless he really doesn’t know what to do about something then he takes his time to seriously think and even ask for and take good advice.
The uke, on the other hand, someone said he stole the spotlight in the whole story - well, that’s because he’s just a noisy person who is also very meddlesome and pushy when it comes to unnecessary things. His presence was just overall awfully loud. Then the same commenter said he was capable and independent - well, perfectly capable of independently fucking things up anyway. His past boss might have really been crazy but to have someone like that come after him so much, I don’t want to victim blame, but the uke is just the kind of person who doesn’t have clear personal boundaries between himself and other people, in general. It was said that the incident with his previous employer was not the first one and even when working at seme’s restaurant, he would still be unnecessarily overly friendly with the customers. He would also constantly overstep his boundaries in concern to the restaurant even though he’s just an employee who’s essentially freeloading at the owner’s place. Then they said, uke knows what he wants… bitch, where? With what eyes did you see him constantly not confused, deluded, and just boringly roundabout about everything? Even when his ex-crush from middle school appeared, he was conflicted over what to feel about the guy just because the person apologized and told him he (ex-crush) might have feelings for him (uke). Like oh my, how long ago was middle school? You’re in your thirties now, right? He’s someone who would casually walk up to a straight person just because they accidentally walked into a gay bar and seduce them. Even when he’s telling himself not to fall in love with a straight guy, he still let himself be so conscious of said person. His resolve is just non-existent; “it’s just a one-night stand, we shouldn’t fuck” is just for show to cover up the “I’m so horny, I wanna fuck this guy badly because he’s hot and good at sex, I don’t really care about his sexual preference, I just unnecessarily stress over it for the heck of it and don’t want to really think about it seriously because I don’t want to give myself a valid reason not to fuck him”. That bartender was dishing out facts when he said if he really didn’t want to continue the relationship, he could just not continue the relationship? What’s to feel so conflicted about it just because you don’t have self-awareness and self-control? He’s also so delusional and comes to stupid conclusions on his own because he’s only okay with meddling in professional matters but cowardly when it comes to his own personal matters. He needs his intelligence to almost be insulted before he understands his own feelings and the real situation for what they are. At this point, the only things going for him are that he’s attractively slutty and… I don’t know, what else is there? Oh, and that he’s good at his job and his job description is legit, if only he could just focus on that.