I'm really tired of people in this section thinking they have the moral high ground to judge people's behaviour strictly based in the fact they are excited about a 'rape' scene or 'shipping a rapist'.
People should like whatever they want, ship whoever they want without other people mentioning every damn time they should be ashamed of thinking like that.
Like hell! If everyone should be entitled to their own opinion, is there a reason for others to call them names?
Even in KS, there were people saying that the MCs sex scenes where hot without them having someone way on their back calling them rapist lovers.
I always think that what makes a fandom toxic is not people having one or another opinion about a controversial topic, but people attacking others personally. And I always stand by that statement.
I wanted for a long time to write about our main asshole, so that will be a really long ride for those who want to read.
We already know that Seungho is really manipulative. In the first chapter, I think that he wanted to kill that informant guy. Nakyum denying his skills was a mean to achieve that. Everything he has done for now seems to be planned for a long time. The only thing he didn't plan was being smitten by our cute lil' painter.
When trying to coerce Nakyum into paintings, he never resorted to violence, he only used threats and was really thrilled to see his reactions. Even the slap was a threat (with a mix of violence) and I will explain later why.
He was attracted some way by Nakyum from the first night. He was always looking at him when doing sex. His obsession of Nakyum grew much stronger after the lust comment. And In-hun is just a mean to coerce Nakyum harder. It's better for him to use the one he is fond of than a scrap of paper.
About the slap, it was mainly because he felt played by Nakyum. And as his master he had every right to be mad about it. But the fake beating after was to give false information to the lousy spy and to anchor a sense of fear into Nakyum.
We also know from people, mainly his main servant Kim that he is sleep deprived and has mood swings. But he doesn't say bad things about him like others say. He just said that he is afraid of him and knows how to bear with it.
About the sex, Yoon Seungho's body reacts to Nakyum. And the sex scene was the only time we have seen Seungho making love instead of doing sex.
I wanted to write more but that could take me at least 2 hours so I will end here.
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sis this is it! thanks for sharing
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So, basically, he is an angel in disguise. Who knew? :D :D :D
Sis, you summarized it so well(๑•ㅂ•)و✧
Please write more, I like to read them. You've made some really interesting points.
Lmao. What an angel (≧∀≦)
I will on the weekend. I have so many points to share about him. It's been a while I've been obsessed by a character in a yaoi. The last one was Riki from Ai no Kusabi and it's been 5 years since I've read the novels and see the OVAs
Such long time...! You must like POTN a lot. But it's understanding, POTN is very inspiring.
Ai no Kusabi is unique, also because there aren't many SF stories in Yaoi genre. I like Riki a lot, he's such a hot pretty guy, the Seme is a also a nobleman of another kind; the background is complexe... Ai no Kusabi is unforgettable as story. I can't help the melancoly when thinking of it.
Please write, I'll be happy to read them. There are some good writers here that write theories about this story, among them yours.
Seungho has more to show than we can see, it'll be interesting to discover the other facettes/motives in this complexe character. If he was not the ML, this story wouldn't be so intriguing I believe. This plot was also so well-thought that all the elements are well imbricated between them; one minus change or detail may change the income of the story.
That new picture gave me life on those soul less Fridays as my thirst for new raw spoilers will not be quenched. Nakyum is a noble scholar painter and Seungho is the lewd dominant servant. Even in my wildest dream, I would have never imagined it. Now I need either a fanfic of that or a doujinshi of the artist.
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October 26th is far far away, so let's do some predictions for the next chapters.
- Jihwa will scheme to take Seungho down. He'll be the "if I can't have you, nobody will" kind of guy.
- In Hun is envious of Seungho, so he'll try to use him the best he can. He wants to dominate Nakyum but I can't quite grasp the purpose behind that. Hope he won't make Nakyum any worse than he is.
- Nakyum will face the consequences of the aftermath sex, that will be quite painful for him. I'm curious to know if the author will shift his interests to Yoon Seungho.
- Seungho's obsession of NaKyum will be much more bigger. He will try to win over him with any means possible. I'm also interested in what he is thinking. The author doesn't express his train of thoughts enough. And we'll know about his trauma.
I wonder if we'll get to see Seungho genuinely jealous, because I feel that it'd be catastrophic considering his personality
I'm already syked!
Damn, he would start cutting heads and shit
That’s my birthday :’)
We not gon think about that cause ive been sleeping on that for about 4 days now
I loved it. From the beginning to the end. The end specially was like some kind of dark comedy. I was thoroughly entertained.
Good story.
Je constate que ce sont les français et quelques britanniques qui sont quand même flexibles sur la question.
@Chapter21, ça ne sert à rien de continuer, les gens ont tellement l'esprit cambré qu'ils sont certains de tout connaître sur la question de viol. Oublions les questions légales et apprécions juste le chef d'œuvre devant nous.
Ça devient vraiment ridicule d'essayer de prouver qui a raison et qui a tort. Dès qu'il y a une occaz, chacun veut jouer sa part de justicier de la morale de mes deux sans avoir à comprendre le fond, donc laisse tomber.
Je suis à 100% avec toi sur la question. Toute cette discussion est un peu ridicule connaissant comment est notre principal protagoniste, ce n'est pas comme si se plaindre aller influer sur le déroulement de l'histoire.
C'est un peu triste, Seungho est déjà un personnage difficile à aimer, mais là on le traîne encore plus dans la boue. Quant à Nakyum, on le traite comme un enfant incapable de la moindre décision.
Tout cela gâche la beauté et l'originalité de cette oeuvre, rare et complexe.
Mdr j'aime quand ça parle français, c'est bien plus pratique. Bah écoutez, je crois qu'entre nous ce qui m'a énervé c'est justement ça : faire la morale aux autres en expliquant qu'on est des pervers face à un violeur dans un yaoi. Juste on s'en moque en fait, mais faut arrêter de jouer les fins connaisseurs sur la question du viol quand on incapable d'accepter qu'un homme adulte est adulte et qu'il peut prendre des decisions stupides quand il est bourré.
Enfin, dans tous les cas Nakyum est dans la panade et j'arrive même pas à imaginer la suite ╮(￣▽￣)╭
Et vive le racisme mal placé... N'importe quoi faire cette distinction des pays pour ce sujet x( c'est hyper arrogant ce que tu viens de dire
Lmfao you are laughable
You seriously think I can't use Google translator to translate what you said. Yeah only french people know the wholy truth what's rape is.
Thank God the rest of us has other definition because yours would mean that taking advantage is legal and ok.
And in many countries it is illegal.
Quoting Australian lawyer:
Drugs and alcohol impact the normal, everyday functioning of the brain such as a person’s ability to make decisions, including the ability to decide whether he or she wants to participate in sexual activity with someone or not. Therefore someone who is drunk or high possibly cannot legally give informed consent. Anyone who is sexually involved with a person who is under the influence of drugs or alcohol is possibly committing sexual assault and possibly rape.
Even if someone seems eager to engage in sexual behavior they could be considered too intoxicated to give consent.
And believe me if guy was so drunk he thought he was having sex with someone else he would absolutely qualified.
De grâce, ne crie pas au racisme quand tu ne sais pas de quoi tu parles. Je déteste quand ce mot est utilisé hors propos et sans contexte.
J'ai lu des commentaires et fait une conjecture. Je n'ai pas besoin de justifier mon "arrogance" si c'est c'est ainsi que tu penses.
Ça te fait mal? Si tu n'as pas compris le sens de ma phrase, grandis encore bien dans ta tête et viens on en reparle.
Whatever you think, dear. My message was pretty straightfoward and you can use Google translate too, it is okay. I was thinking of making it "untranslatable" by using a ton of sounds instead of words, but that wouldn't have served any purpose. It's the magic behind internet.
I won't debate anymore if it's legal or not and will just enjoy the story as it comes. That's my conclusion. Have a nice day in Australia.
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Mdrrrr "ca me fait mal"? Pour qui tu te prends? Redescends hein, t'as aucune emprise sur moi...
Faire une distinction entre les nationalités pour un sujet, ici dire "han les francais et anglais ils ont lesprit plus flexible oh la la on est vraiment intelligent le reste ils sont vraiment débiles", bah c'est quoi si c'est pas du racisme? Surtout que la plupart des commentaires sont anonymes... Et n'importe qui peut se mettre la nationalité qu'il veut sur mangago... Donc franchement la prochaine ta petite constatation tu te la gardes...
Sinon pour en revenir a ton sujet oui c'est un manga c'est pas réel on s'en fout. Sauf que la c'est une situation qui arrivent tous les jours dans la vraie vie, des que des gens boivent de l'alcool... Et donc les gens qui pensent que ce que seugho a fait est "normal" le penseront certainement dans la vraie vie... Et ca ca fait peur, c'est pas acceptable et ca entretient la culture du viol. Donc non c'est pas inutile d'en parler si ca fait réveiller les consciences pour avoir un comportement approprié face a une situation similaire
Si tu as cru que français=nationalité, je te plains beaucoup. Mon intention ici n'est en aucun cas d'avoir une emprise sur un individu lambda, si tu le penses, ça te regarde.
Et je ne vais pas te faire un cours sur ce qu'est le racisme, tu sembles bien avoir l'étymologie maîtrisée. Et au cas où tu ne l'aurais pas remarqué, oui c'est du sarcasme.
Pour ce qui est du reste, tu peux continuer de baragouiner ce que tu veux, la personne à qui j'ai adressé ce message a compris le fond de ma pensée.
Sur ce, bon dimanche ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~
Je disais ca pour que tu comprennes bien que tu ne peux pas me faire mal, tu n'es personne pour moi.
Tu fais exprès de parler francais pour que la plupart des gens ne puissent pas comprendre ce que tu racontes, c'est tellement bas... Si tu portais tes balls tu aurais écrit en anglais. Et la t'inquiète pas que tu te serais fait incendier par tout le monde. Mais tu le sais déja...
Aaaaah donc francais n'est pas une nationalité? Oh la la mais qu'est ce donc alors?
Ton petit sarcasme tu peux te le garder aussi. C'est moi qui te plaint, tu tiens des propos racistes et tu ne t'en rends meme pas compte... Tant que tu priviligies une nationalité pour en rabaisser une autre, ce sera toujours du racisme ma petite.
Surtout que la on doit etre 4 pauvres francais dont moi qui n'est pas "l'esprit flexible" cest ca? Débile...
Je te souhaite un dimanche bien pourri ;)
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That's was hot, hot but sad for both of them. Sad for NaKyum because it wasn't with the person he loved, and for Seungho because he was so gentle, manipulative and annoyed at the same time, it was quite a sight.
The only time NK said 'Lord' was before they came together. But you can clearly see that SH is showing signs of care. He cares so bad and NK will be his obsession.
During the sex scene he was soothing him, telling him it will be ok, he tried to know how he kept his virginity until now and he was kind of proud he was his first. But he was annoyed that NK was calling him 'teacher'. That could be the first time SH was making love instead of doing sex. Maybe he has done it before, only a dive to his past will tell us.
I said in the previous chapter (and I was quite hated for it) I don't condone what Seungho has done but jumping on NaKyum doesn't make him more or less guilty than the later. Lust and alcohol are never a good mix.
He is such a rat though. He was asking NK if he kept his V-card for InHun. What an asshole.
Chill, it's just a manga.
That's why I said he took pride at being NK's first. And he wanted to be called lord to be acknowledged by Nakyum. That didn't worked.
My only satisfaction in that scene is the fact that nothing is gone the way he wanted.
I completely agree with you. That is why the seen is, although beautiful, very said. Especially when Nakyum confesses in the in end but it's not meant for him, it's gotta hurt... Maybe in other cases it wouldn't,but after asking Nakyum to call him Lord instead of Teacher, I think it hurts..
He must like to tease the boy, and also surely because he's ennoyed to discover that Nakyum likes In Hun.
Why are you so pissed that's Seungho? Would you want instead In Hun to be with Nakyum in such moment?
We know that the teach would never do all that with Nakyum since he despise so much gay people; if it were him that was kissed by NK at that instant, he would reject NK and says again some nasty things that would deeply hurt the painter.
Seungho, as he is, took his chance to sleep with the painter, it might be not the right thing to do, though at least Nakyum was loved during his first time.
They were fated for each other whatever you can say.
Did Seungho really say all of those things to Nakyum? I cant read Korean but if so... （/TДT)/ ... jeez that'd be really sweet. Who knew our local asshole was capable of being so tender??? ╥﹏╥
So what? Are people not allowed to feel emotions about a book/movie/manga? Then, what's the fucking point?
The "fucking point" is to read the manga, that's it, the fuck
Yes, but why do you read the manga if it doesn't evoke emotions from you? :)
Because it's a interesting, the fuck? :) you getting to deep into, don 't even try to @ me back bitch bc I'm not getting into a argument over a MANGA
But you did just call me a bitch, over a MANGA... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
I just binge read this and after the last chapter I'll need to binge read it again. That just hurted my brain and my heart. That was so hurtful I almost cried. I saw it coming but I was still willing to believe.
Does someone know if there is any Spanish translation group working on this?
(Legally) by Lezhin no *as far as I know*. But there was a group that got in trouble recently (by both) the fans and the author.
That's too bad. I know that lehzin don't do Spanish but they should start.
Someone should bring it up to them, because even though I pay for it on lezhin I did wonder what other languages they translated it to. But from what I've seen its just Korean, English and Japanese (but they probably need more staff for that which means more $$ and I'm sure that would make the coins more expensive :/). Unless lezhin can find someway to make it work with more languages but *shrugs*
If brother Qiu was real and my friend, I would have taken him to a pub. That man deserves it for all the shit he has been trough. (≧∀≦)