mary's Topics (381)

Now you got me wondering what that unlimited flow novel you read, i've read quite a few but I don't think i've read the one you talked about? Can I have the title ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Tbh the novel isn’t the best lol. It’s Game, Live Stream and you can read the eng translation on chrysanthemum garden.

I liked it at the beginning, but it kind of fell off and was a mess at the end (and yes, there were other weird things going on other than human experimentation). Throughout the novel were a lot of elements I think were good, but overall the execution was meh (which was disappointing cause it definitely had potential to be really good)

Oh! I remember reading a few chapters but for some reason dropped it, the reasons you laid out must be why I dropped it too lol. I'll give it a second chance tho, I remember the start being interesting but something abt it left me feeling as if it bland or like dragging on? Thanks for the reply btw! (づ￣ ³￣)づ

*taeseok , oooops I realized I put the wrong name right after I clicked the submit button

you're expecting too much basic empathy and tolerance of realistically flawed characters from yaoi readers with stunted emotional growth

hard facts

this comment should be pinned because im actually baffled by how people are treating dojun

It’s weird that people don’t think kids can like other kids. Or be sexually attracted to other people as kids. I grew up with boys and girls being little boyfriend and girlfriends who hold hands and kiss in America where parents even find it cute to have their kids make valentines for their crushes.

Also, hate to break the news to you but there are a lot of kids who tough their privates to get sexual satisfaction. Look it up because it’s biology and not this puritanical nonsense you believe in. People put morale value and teach kids not get get sexed up as kids because kids are supposed to be innocent and sexless.

When did I ever say I didn’t know that? I understand young children might date each other etc. that’s not what I was talking about. And I honestly don’t know if kindergarteners feel sexual attraction, but I severely doubt it (yes I know children might masturbate or touch their private parts, but that is distinct from being attracted to another person).

And to me, high schoolers having sexual relationships with other teenagers the same age is a completely situation than this. I have no problem with that. I just personally find a twelve year old being any way attracted to a five year old disturbing.

A twelve year old dating another twelve year old? Fine. But not a five year old, a small child. There is such a large difference in development and maturity. Yes I know this is an omegaverse manhwa but I don’t care, it still bothers me.

They didn’t have a sexual relationship at 5 and 12? Or even date as kids? Are we reading the same story. Tell me what chapter you read where they had a sexual relationship as kids? He said he liked him at 12 when MC was 5. They were childhood playmates. Because this is an omega verse story, they had their pheromones triggered to match each other. They never had sex or dated as kids. Not until they were adults as far as the story goes. I don’t know what you’re bothered by except you making up a story that doesn’t exist. Your pedophile spin.

It’s not uncommon for young kids to find other older kids attractive and like them. It’s not sexual except maybe you thinking of holding hands and possible kissing is sexual. Aren’t there a whole bunch of preteens who have posters on their wall of some teen idols?

If it bothers you then simply don’t read this because you are making up a story that never took place with your own spin and issues about what actually happened.

You’re the one that brought up a sexual relationship. I literally never mentioned sex and never even thought of that untill I responded to your comment.

Again, I think a twelve year old liking a five year old is weird. I interpreted those statements as the ML saying, even as a 12 year old, he was romantically interested in the MC. And yes I find a 12 year old having a crush on a 5 year old weird.

In my opinion that is different than preteens liking teen idols. Or frankly even a younger child having a crush on someone older. I’m talking about the older person having feelings for a significantly younger person.

I brought up the sex and dating because you are implying a 12 year old liking a 5 year old to be the same. That was the take away. I said that isn’t not and isn’t uncommon. This idea of liking someone automatically means something unsavory is a weird take that’s based on puritanical view and not biological view. ML didn’t do anything weird as a child to MC even as he liked him. Like I said I have seen kids have little boyfriends and girlfriends under 10 so it’s all cute and innocent of holding hands and kisses with valentines cards. The ML who is 12 liking a 5 year old MC isn’t weird since he never did anything than be his playmate. There isn’t any pedophilic thing that happened when they were kids. ML only sexed up MC as adults.

I am pretty sure I found older teenagers and grown men attractive as at 10 years old. It’s not as if at 10 I wanted to bone these teenagers and men just because I found them attractive. I am not the only one as many have crushes on idols and celebrities as preteens. It’s never viewed as creepy but if a 25 year old were to eye me at 10 then its view as creepy. Yet, I can say, I had men eye me in just that way as a 10 year old. Now if they acted on it. They would be criminals. You don’t know what people think and it’s a good thing we have laws to control our base instincts or their be plenty of criminals around.

Okay no I did not mean sex at all. Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are different things and are not always connected. This isn’t puritanical, it’s called the split attraction model. My original comment was talking about the ML saying he “liked” the MC, even when they were younger

I’ll say it again. I think a 12 year old having a crush, as in romantic attraction, to a 5 year old is weird. I didn’t mention sex or sexual attraction, I wasn’t thinking of that. You’re the one that brought that up. If you think there’s nothing weird about that, I guess we just disagree

Again, I don’t think a preteen having a crush on an idol or celebrity is weird.

I think a much older person being attracted to a minor (or someone significantly younger) is uncomfortable and weird, regardless on if they act on those feelings. Of course it’s worse if they act on those feelings or do anything that makes the younger person uncomfortable. (I’m not going to talk about my thoughts on criminal justice, law and society since this is the comment section of a BL manhwa)

I think you forget that children in general don’t think about age gaps or understand them at all. When I was 5 and 12, age gaps was not a thing that I knew about. Liking is just liking innocently and being happy around someone as a kid.

I also think you forgot about the fact that the ML is not just a normal 12 year old kids that grew up in average circumstances being taught in school and having friends his age. He was literally abused by his parent and likely didn’t go to school, had no friends, had no good adult figures in his life long enough to teach him anything. If you knew anything about child abuse you’d know kids who go through that often grow much slower (in both mental state and physical state). Hence why he looks way younger/smaller than a regular 12 year old irl.

Either way, you’re a much older person applying adult logic onto children’s minds. There was nothing sexual and only innocent crush going on so there should have been no issue. I honestly believe your main issue is the age gap.

Oh yeah adding onto the fact that the first time he liked someone was due to the affection he received after facing so much abuse. It could have been anyone. Why do you think so many romance stories have a character falling for the first person who comforts them when they get out of an abusive situation? Those stories include a younger person falling for an older person who helped them. It’s not something controllable and it doesn’t apply any grown adult logic. It’s more weird to blame the kid for just silently liking someone that’s also a kid.

You likely feel uncomfy because you’re an adult now who grew up without being in an abused state. It makes no sense at all to put your grown mentality onto children. It’s just like saying, “kids at 5-12, should automatically know better not to throw tantrums, like anyone older or younger, don’t talk back, etc. That’s weird if they don’t know automatically.” Like if you have any knowledge about kids or even remember peoples/your mentality as a kid, you’d know they don’t act ‘proper’ without anyone teaching them.

“Children don’t think about age gaps”
But they do to an extent. Older kids know younger kids are younger. The ten year olds don’t want to play with “the babies”, the older cousins tease/lowkey bully the younger cousins. Similarly, the younger kids are more likely to look up to the older ones. From what I know (and no I’m not an expert in developmental psychology or anything), broadly speaking children understand that there is a maturity difference between them and other kids younger/older than them.

And again. I know there was nothing sexual, I literally was not thinking about that at all. I know it was an “innocent crush”. If you and other readers are fine with that, okay whatever. It just makes me uncomfortable, I really don’t see why that’s an issue.

And if I’m being honest, I wasn’t necessarily thinking about this dynamic through the perspective of character analysis. I was just wondering why someone would choose to write a story about a 12 year old having a crush on a 5 year old. Maybe my initial comment(which I literally put zero thought into) and replies to the judychan person didn’t make it clear, but I don’t blame the ML. If anything I’m questioning the author for making these decisions.

You’re right that, considering the MLs circumstances, latching onto a person that cares for him makes sense. I think that was clear when reading. I thought the moments between them were sweet, and from what I remember it was clear the ML wanted to protect the MC. It’s the comments the adult ML makes, saying he’s “always felt the same” that come out of pocket to me. Those are the moments that feel weird to me. Maybe he meant even as an adult he still wants to protect the MC and cares about him. But considering that their relationship, as adults, is completely different from when they were children, I find it weird to have him say “ive always felt the same”. If you and other reader have no problem with that, fine, I guess we disagree then.

Also yall don’t know anything about me. I don’t want to talk about personal info in the comment section of an omegaverse BL on a pirating site, and to fully explain my thoughts and feelings on all this I would have to do that. Thx.

I agree that there’s nothing wrong with how you feel uncomfortable about a situation. I just thought your initial comment sounded like you were blaming the ML for his feelings as a child, that’s all. I think the author only thought to have an age gap dynamic when they’re adults, but didn’t plan out as much how it’d be when they made the flashback scenes. Either way, I personally don’t find it odd with all the points I said before plus the ML doesn’t look like how most 12 year olds in middle school would. At most standing next to the kid version of the mc, the ml looked 8-9. I do think the ML saying “I’ve always felt the same” meant that he’s always cared for him, seeing as when he was kid he thought about how he promised to meet him again one day and take care of him.