Yumiswife's Topics (393)

IT HAS A NOVEL????????????? WHERE?

I kinda agree ngl

it is pretty disturbing that this has a lot of rape in it but in the end, it's a fictional work, and this kind of shit is pretty tame compared to the other stuff on this website. I don't care for the rape, unlike some others, but I read it for the art. You might get a few comments being like "If YoU Don'T LIkE It THEn Don'T REaD," but just ignore those uglies, you're the normal one in this situation

Is it really that common for someone to be shocked by something like this at this point? Like a genuine question because I feel like those who've read mangas and other stuff should be used to it at this point. I as such am one of those who genuinely finds this hot. I'm not ignoring the rape, it's diabolical but if it's not your thing then it's just best not to further traumatise yourself.

Why do people enjoy watching torture porn movies like Saw franchise? Why do people read Stephen King books? Why do people watch horror movies? Why do people read hentai? Why do people like that pile of crap Twilight series? Why do people like playing violent games?

Simply put, it’s titillating. Some people like reading mundane stuff, some people like reading dark stuff. Fiction exist to satisfy fantasy, not akin to reality. As long as no real person gets hurt, who cares what other people likes to read.

Do people get horny at Saw? :O

Shock value and people getting horny and shipping rapists with their victims are a bit different, don't you think?

I am pretty sure some people do. (Not that its any of my business, people do dark shit privately) How do you think it keeps getting green lighted? It’s popular enough to spew the franchise over several movies. The franchise itself is romanticizing torture, like its justice to torture people as long as they’re bad people, don’t you agree? ‘Romanticizing’ does not pertain to sexual means only.

Who is the victim though? Is Nakyum a real life person? Can we take him to a hospital to apply rape test kit? Can we get his testimony? Can we report Seungho to police? Can servant Kim or Inhun testify on behalf of Nakyum?

By your logic, Stephen King should be jailed because he is a murderer of so many fictional characters.

What are even talking about? So you want to tell me we can't tell in fictional story who is the victim?
So in fiction psychology or logic doesn't exist?
By your logic, Proust, Mann or Camus's work didn't mirror our word and they didn't contemplate real life problems because it's just a fiction.

Now we are getting somewhere, the key word right there is ‘mirror’. A Please tell me who is victimized by this story in real life? Please name a real life person who is raped because of this story. Anyone? Someone who lost something of value because of this story? (Except for Byeonduck who got robbed because of pirate sites)

Humans have a drive to find meaning in things and where it doesn’t exist we usually try to create it. You’re trying to find a real life victim in this story, but it doesn’t exist. Therefore its absurd.

I don't understand demanding something illogical and unrealistic. That's 1.
2. Fiction has impact on people and believing it doesn't is beyond naive.

Can you imagine one of the writers I mentioned who would create scenery when victim after several abuse would happily ended up with their rapist and act as nothing happened? It would be in poor taste and absurd.

I actually can’t imagine it because it would be their writing, not mine. Any storyline or plot would be inside their head, not mine. It is their right to do whatever they want with the characters inside their heads.

Everyone should be able to push their imagination however they want in fiction. It doesn’t matter how gory, illogical, violent, absurd, or rapey, anything. If there is dictation and limitation in fiction, we wouldn’t get Harry Potter, Lord of the rings, Game of Thrones, Star Wars, and many more.

If a story doesn’t makes any sense to me, it may makes sense to someone else, i just chalked it up as different taste or understanding. There is nothing wrong with that. It’s just variety. There are some bad writings, there are some good writings. There’s philosophical writings, there’s entertainment writings. We don’t have to all like the same things.

You are seriously mixing psychological aspects with supernatural elements? Ok... I think this conversation is pointless.

You think it’s pointless, but you continue to spam above? Maybe your point is pointless?

You bring up psychological? Are you saying that someone is psychologically harmed by this manwha? Is it you?

I guess we found one real life victim.

2. It’s usually the other way around. Reality has impact upon fiction. Silence of the lamb was based on Ed Gein. Gantz based the mass killing plot from the Akihabara stabbing car case in Japan. Berserk based the Holy See arc from Aum Shinrikyo cult in Japan.

The one case i can pinpoint where someone committed violent act because of fiction was the Slender man case, by two twelve year old girls.

There is a reason shy every manga/manwha/manhua always has statement that its a work of fiction and any resemblance to real person are coincidental.

Well yeah it's a huge turn on for me as long as it's either role-play or a work of fiction. If it's real rape then we need the police.

I'm really into BDSM but believe there needs to be a set code of conduct. Safe words and other such things are important as they can separate pretend rape from real life rape.

JAIL.

Horror is supposed to be repulsive and shocking and murder is NEVER presented as a good thing, unless you watch snuff film. Binch if you find other people being raped "titillating" then you have a SERIOUS problem.

How i see it If you want YOURSELF to be raped thats fine. Thats YOUR sexual fantasy. But if you enjoy looking at images of other people being raped real or fictional, you have a BIG problem.

Oh I don't want to be raped, you would have to be really ignorant to say that. And yes it is MY fantasy but why does the fact that this turned ME on have to be empathised?

I enjoy looking at people role-play, if someone is actually rapping someone I will call the police. It's called standard's.

If you consider me to have a BIG PROBLEM

Oh I don't want to be raped, you would have to be really ignorant to say that. And yes it is MY fantasy but why does the fact that this turned ME on have to be empathised?

I enjoy looking at people role-play, if someone is actually rapping someone I will call the police. It's called standard's. If it's fiction then I will enjoy it as long as it doesn't pass certain boundaries.

If you consider me to have a BIG PROBLEMthen ask yourself why. And don't strawman me again with your " if you want to be raped", instead read what I wrote instead of assuming.

It seems that to you the act of reading fiction is wrong if it's about a "bad" topic. Therefore the only logical thing for you to argue is why you consider this to be the case. Why is it relevant? Will it cause anything real to happen?

So you dont want to BE raped? But enjoy looking at IMAGES of people being raped????? Dosent matter if its fiction or not thats f*cked up. Thats the same logic as its ok to enjoy child porn or loli porn because the pedophile isnt hurting kids.
https://youtu.be/P3ve2QBgExM

Facts. Tell it how it is.

No I don't want anyone to be raped. If it's rape then I will just find it to be disgusting. If it's role-play between two consenting adults then I will like it.

Are you suggesting that I'm a rapist with your comparison?

Enjoying child porn literally involves being attracted to children and also wouldn't they need to use actual children in order for it to be child porn? In porn, rape can be faked through role-play but you sure as hell can't fake someone being a child. You're comparing apples to oranges. Sure they might both be fruit but they are very different.

I'm not saying you're a rapist. I am saying you are a WEIRDO. This isnt about "roleplay" this is about YOU enjoying seeing images of people being raped. That is not normal. Now you're telling me enjoying loli/child porn is ok because if dosent involve actual children?! Can you hear yourself?! Most people would say they enjoy the dark psychological aspect of this manga but you went full out admitting you get turned on looking at images of people being raped. I literally cannot THINK how you can justify this. I am BAFFLED.
https://youtu.be/P3ve2QBgExM

You're not listening to me nor are you arguing against me. I have not seen anyone strawman another human being to this extent ever.

I don't support cp. All i did was say that cp and rape roleplay are diffrent thing.

Can you explain how you took what I said and twisted it into this? Just calm down a little. Take a breathe or two and read what I wrote. Ask yourself, "what do these words mean" and forget all your assumptions. Read what I wrote and then find out my position. In case you can't be bothered to go back and read all the stuff I previously wrote I shall repeat it bellow in short points:

-I am against rape.
-I am against child porn even if it's fictional.
-I am for rape role-play between two consenting adults.
-I believe RP should include a safe world and the actions that will be played out during a scene should be discussed first so that all parties involved are comfortable with what takes place.
-Rape is repulsive. Rape role-play isn't.
-I don't believe role-play should involve anything that causes harm.
-I believe you need to be at least 18 to consent legally but frankly I would prefer that number to be 25.
-Consent can be taken back at any point. Meaning that if two people are role-playing but then one of them wants to stop and says the safe word, they must stop right that moment. Otherwise the person who did not follow that rule deserves to get the crap beated out of them.
-I believe that if anyone decides to take part in rape role-play then they should only do so after evaluating and knowing the other person very well for safety.
-I am ok with fictional depictions of rape.
-I am against rape being romanticised and presented as a good thing.
-I get turned on by the thought of being powerless or tied down. Seeing such things turns me on. Seeing people actually get raped doesn't as that's inhumane.
-You're free to consider this weird as it's a fetish and that's the thing about fetishes.
-I enjoy the dark physiological aspect of this too.
-If I would see someone getting rapes I would call the police.
-I believe that the rapist should get punished as real rape causes harm to the victim (both physical and psychological) while role-play doesn't.
-I don't want to get raped.
-Rape role-play isn't rape as it requires consent.

As for this manga:
-The scenes turn me on.
-It's a work of fiction that actually treats rape as rape and I believe that be a good thing. However I can already see that this work is going towards the "seme raped the uke but loves him route" as it's already getting hinted at.
-The seme needs to be in jail and the uke needs help but I know that won't happen due to the setting of the story.
-I don't ship them.
-I am fully ok with the story existing.

Yes it turns me on and I am ok with you think that is weird because it's a fetish. But what do you expect to achieve by calling me a "WEIRDO" and accusing me of random things? What real life consequences does me getting turned on by an unusual thing have? I am not out there advocating for rape. I am not out there raping people.

ok, i respect your opinion but i still think your a weirdo who does not think about the implications of your words. You cannot simply announce you think rape is turn on and not expect some repurcussions. And Heres the thing. If you have to spend the time to write a long ass list explaining why what you're thinking is "ok" then its probably not. I didnt accuse you of anything besides being a weirdo. Also idk wtf this roleplay thing is you're talking about because i didnt bring that up at all. Rape roleplay is ok if its between two consenting people, but as a third party watching and enjoying that is not normal. A fetish is toe sucking or bondage. What youre describing as your rape fetish is more BDSM, a dom/sub situation. Why cant you call it that instead of a rape fetish, then we wouldnt have a problem here?? A rape fetish is being turned on by seeing people forced into sex and clearly not enjoying it. That is NOT normal. That is borderline sociopathic and should not be normalized AT ALL.

You're free to think that. In some ways I am quiet eccentric.

I had to write the list because you were not listening to what I was saying and assuming stuff based on nothing e.g. you accused me of being into child porn.... It wasn't a list saying why what i think is ok, it was a list stating what I think.

"Rape roleplay is ok if its between two consenting people, but as a third party watching and enjoying that is not normal." Why? Wouldn't that make watching porn also not normal?

I'm not into the Dom/Sub thing at all - it's a huge turn off for me. A rape fetish can be defined how you defined it but that doesn't really represent the picture. A rape fetish is when you're into the idea of being forced/you're into the forcing part of it. (Key word = idea -> not the actual act.) You could relate it to the dom thing with how one person would play the victim while the other would play the rapist role but there is one major difference. In the dom/sub roleplay it is based around submission while people in the rape fetish part of the community do prefer for there to be "pretend-refusal." Of course there is a lot of variation with some people preferring for the person playing the victim to give up really soon and to start playing the submissive role. You could say that in a way it's close to the machoist and sadist part of bdsm (SM) but then for me it wouldn't fit as physical pain is a huge turn off except for stuff like spanking which I would be willing to give a try but that is very low key especially when compared to what kind of stuff people into SM do. My kink can be best described as a rape fetish and it does mix with other fetishes e.g. bondage.

Your definition of a rape fetish sounds far more like a definition of a rapist. I suppose there is a thin line but I do think that line makes a huge difference as that line is literally consent.

I won't argue with the fact that within this community there are some messed up people. E.g rape bating or people stupid enough to actually say crap like "I wanna get raped", like no you're into the idea, not the actual act. The large majority of the community is normal level headed people but the crazies are there which is why safety and consent should always be the top priority as the line is easy to break in this type of rp.

I don't think rape should be normalised at all either. But in the yaoi fandom it is. What I am talking about isn't stuff like this manga as it presents rape as rape and does show the victim suffering (thus not showing it as a normal ok to do thing.) I am referring to a large portion of the stuff on here. You read a manga like this and people start going off saying "It's rape, how can people read this" but then they go and read a manga where the uke asks the seme to stop and the seme continues or just straight up forced themselves at the uke or the "seme raped uke but is in love with him so it's 100% ok". Then you go to the comment section and no one mentions that it was raped. People go on as if nothing bad happened because they can't even tell that it was rape. That's what I call normalisation. I personally believe it to be due to a lack of proper sex ED and just because of how common this is in yaoi.

It's like everyone on here needs to watch the British tea consent video.

He's a senior in HS - either 18 or nearly there.

When we play video games: Remember kids you’re puppeteering a digital a character that’s actively murdering people with guns.

When watching heist movies: Remember kids, you’re watching a movie about thieves who are stealing from people, destroying plenty of lives and property along the way.

When reading a horror novel: Remember kids you’re reading a story that’s gruesomely showing occult practices, cult behavior and gruesome murder of innocent individuals.

When listening to most rap music: Remember kids you’re listening to songs touching on drug culture and misogynistic behavior.

When looking at modern contemporary art: Remember kids, you’re appreciating a poor rendition of what real art used to be.

When reading comics: Remember kids you’re reading stories about vigilantism and lawlessness.

....if we start approaching all stories and forms of entertainment like this then where will we draw the line?

????? What what are you talking about???? Im stating the plot of the manga??

Good point.
Correction. Remember kids is just reading about a 18 or nearly there getting molested.

But in Japan you're an adult when you turn 20?

Age of consent for sex in Japan is technically 13. There are other laws, depending on prefecture ("corrupting a minor" or "obscenity statutes"), that raise it to 16-18 or even 20, unless they have parental consent. Tokyo is basically 18. Even the age of majority (adulthood) was changed to 18 in 2015.
https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/japan

Thats korea not japan.

serralinda thanks, I didn't know that. And in korea the age of majority is 19, because the 9 months in the womb are counted as a year in korea. So they're technically 18.

Nah the scanlator should just say "Remember kids, no wait kids shouldn't read R18 BL at all, fuck off kids"

It's a literal fictional story. As long as you know that it's wrong and you can't do it irl, then I don't see the issue.
If people were maybe saying that what the seme did wasn't wrong than yup, people need to be told it is indeed wrong. But I don't think there's anything wrong with having it as a plotline. No one is telling anyone to go out and do these crimes. And if that is what someone got from reading this, then they should probably go speak to a professional to get talked to about consent, and sexual assault .

"Remember snowflakes, you're actually not that special"

SAVAGE!

I love how you guys seem to think i am "anti rape" in fiction when all i did was suggest we put the description in the last image. Dare I say you guys sound pretty insecure reading about highschooler being molested? Anyone else would laugh.

Majority of stories regardless of platform (movies, novels, video games etc) have controversial plot lines that revolve around not only rape but violnece, murder, infidelity, crime and abuse. Doesn’t mean I’m pro murder in real life after I watched the Saw franchise and laughed at some of the deaths and even gave a nod at the ingenuity of the killing devises presented in the movie. That’s the same with this manga. The plot line is rape, we read and enjoy the complexity of the story, we indulge in the characters backgrounds but it ends there - we’re not going to start a rape club afterwards! You need to separate fiction from reality, if you can then you need to stay away from the storie and stop attacking those of us who know not the cross the line!

*if you can’t

I literally stated the plot of the manga. Read the description. Idk wtf you're talking about buy thats not it. ITS JOKE.

Wait, so you’re saying rape is the only morally wrong plot line in the sea of morally wrong themes that authors and creatives should not explore! It’s ok when they inject violence, drugs and murder into their plot lines but if it’s rape then they’ve crossed the line and us the reader become messed up for reading that?

Binch where did i say that. Nowhere. Where did i talk about morals. NOWHERE. Where did I say anything about rape in fiction. NO. WHERE. Since you cannot read I will spell out exactly what I said.

"I have a suggestion for your image at the end of the chapter.
(Image of betty white) remember kids is just you reading about a highschooler being molested"

Now lets look at the FIRST LINE in the description of this manga.

"SYNOPSIS:
Shiroiwa Mizuki, who has been repressed by his mother for any sexual acts, has his body being molested by a stranger on the same train while attending school."

Here I am, outlining the DESCRIPTION. I say NOTHING about morals. NOTHING about rape or sensitive topics. I am reading the same manga as you. Its called a JOKE.

Are you that sensitive about reading a highschooler being molested that you made up things I said so you can try tobjustify it? Thats a YOU problem. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

They're definitely do better their life than you who wasting your time with bitching about moral in manga on an illegal site. Dumb hypocrite.

What did i say about morals? Nothing. I just asked if they had a job.

Lol you're talking about moral in your other topic. To answer your retarded question, yes they do. Mangaka is a fucking job. https://manga.tokyo/otaku-articles/mangaka-the-profession-that-underpins-japans-anime-industry/

Try again. I still didnt talk about morals in my other topic. I said "remember kids is just you reading about a highschooler being molested" which is exactly what it says in the description. And my topic here is me wondering if the mangaka has a job besides drawing this. Sorry hun, but perhaps you should take a break from the internet if you're that upset. https://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/20-things-when-you-feel-extremely-angry.html

Their job is literally this, they get paid to do draw/write this. Idk why you'd ask such an obvious question. No matter how shitty the pay(and pay is bad as a mangaka unless you're super popular), still a job. Though if author has another job, It's none of your business

They get PAID to write about high schoolers getting molested?! Thats so sad... :(

Yes, because that is what sells in Japan and unfortunately for you, the main demographic are from Japan. Though, one way to change things is to support authors you like...By buying their shit. Make it known that "unproblematic" stories are popular by making it monetarily popular. So complaining here won't change things.

Honestly speaking out of all the people i've spoken to in this comment section you're the only person that makes valid sense.

Nobody here wants idiots coming here whining over rape. When they can easily figure that out before reading....I will call them out for what they are a bunch of idiots. It's not hard to find if a story has rape in it. If you hate it so much. Find out before reading things. Nobody wants to hear children whining and degrading what others like,etc.

Ok "asamisbutthole69" we shall stop sharing opinions because you dont agree with them. thanks for telling us, we will know better than to share thoughts in the "comment" section!!

Good. Problem solved!

Well it's just this...you morons never made this an issues years in the past till recent...which is really out ride dumb....if it was ever an issue where were you years ago....none of this rape mangas had negative shitty comments till recent....is it so hard to avoid rape manga....o wait no...you idiots just want to whine and degrade things....that's all. You can't be adults and avoid them.

*out right dumb not ride stupid typos

This is not a recent thing. This has always been a topic. And there has ALWAYS been negative feedback since this manga is so contreversial and has many outdated tropes. Grow up. People have different opinions to you, get over it. Or are you going to fight every single person who you disagree with in this comment section like six year old?

This is some disingenuous bs right here. "I have oPInIoNS and I get to express them!" What's your end game? You on a mission to save souls, Sister Barbara? Or like 99.99% of the negative voices here, you just can't stand that other people like something you personally dislike. Why does that bother you to the point of spending so much time here? A little soul searching may be in order. Also, good luck taking on the MDZS fandom when you get to the problematic content in that one!

This by far the most retardy thing I ever read

I support u whole heardtly

Some sane finally
Bless you mate

I support you tbh

People fully knew what they where reading. It was when sex and the p.c movement and the need to control become a thing that it became a problem. Those reading this knew the diff. between real life and fantasy, noncon and rape, Dom and Sub.They were capable of reading tags and knew the diff. in types of manga ect. That is why manga is rated .

U r speaking for people now? Sighhh

Can be fully seen in prev,posts over the years.the posts showed they liked what they where reading.Why are U ?, Instead of posting just on one manga your rape op.every month take it to the front page for a change. Your pretend sigh is boring, ?what rape ,is it or is it not is a total bore? esp on a page where the m,c has so moved past that stage . where are the y in the plot? the war which few posts seen to appear about. All of the characters are headed to fight each other not to have any form of sex . The next chapter starts with them at war none will be holding their paper penis(S).

I will save u the time and the short hand. I end here.If u are bored go read.

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its basicallly porn no plot thats why i thought the anime suuuucks

better read somethin else if ya want some plot

Sorry forgot we arent allowed to share our opinions on manga on this website.

Where’s the plot? Uhm-

It seems nobody guessed that this was sarcasm...

14 people with no sense of humor