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yeah right? I think it's really horrible of her to do this, and like even if he'd help her, you can't change jinwoo's feelings (the fact that he doesn't like her more as just a friend)
and she's just literally using woojin's feelings towards her to try and get what she wants and doesn't seem to have any kind of regret or bad conscience towards the way she treats and uses him! ╥﹏╥

I agree with you here as well. She KNEW that Woojung liked her. Yet she asked him to help set up her confession to Jinwoo? I mean that is one seriously SHITTY move.

She is so selfish （￣へ￣）

You're 1000% correct.

Well, I dislike Siwon because he believe to that chinese boy more than his childhood friend and we know that chinese boy isn't good person so yeah, you know what I mean.

OMG. The points on why readers are so upset and frustrated with this story has been listed over and over again. At this point whomever keeps saying that they 'don't understand' is because they don't really bother to.

1- It's not cheating and almost nobody is calling like that but the funny thing is that if it were cheating, it would make Siwon looks better because at least he wouldn't look so dumb;
2- Why is Siwon called dumnb? Because he is a 23 y old guy and he is written to be as naive and innocent as a 5 year old child. Exactly because the author wants to add the kink sexy stuff with the new Chinese guy while keeping his pure image so the only solution was to make Siwon look very defenseless and lacking any sense of wit that even a young teenager would have.
3- Was Siwon drugged again? The point is, in case you missed, no one with an ounce of intelligence would have gone with the Chinese guy AGAIN. What has he done that Siwon is fully aware of? Let's check, shall we?
- He already drugged Siwom once, stripped him, touched and took naked pictures of him;
- He sent these pictures to Siwon boyfriend;
- He kidnapped, torture Siwon's best friend;
- He put Siwon's pictures over the school and outed him ( but Siwon blames Jinha for all his misfortunes)
- He kissed Siwon and kept harassing him;
I am not even mentioning that Siwon never ever takes in consideration the multiple warnings Jinha gave him.
So, you guys who want to save Siwon's face keep bending backwards to explain a behavior that doesn't make any sense. I wish he was cheating, I wish he had gone with th Chinese guy because he wanted to fuck him, that would make Siwon at least a more plausible and smart person behaving like a grown up.
But no. What Siwon does? He gets in the car with the guy and goes drinking. You can't have it both ways. To call him 'naive' when this naivety is of a child is euphemism for stupid and mentally challenged. To say that he couldn't possibly know that he would be drugged again is not correct because YES, he could have known that a guy who already did all of the above would with all certainty be someone who most probably would do it again.
4- The frustration is above all with the screw up from the author because obviously how the characters behave and how plausible they are is on the author, not on the readers. You mentioned how Jinha is to blame ( another humiliation for the poor character Jinha that not only gets to be a patsy boyfriend who gets no development or attention from his boyfriend, in the end still has to be bashed for the sake of Siwon to look better). Jinha is a character totally neglected by the author. He is portrayed as nothing more that a nagging, boring ( and as you say 'pushy' --- OMG, and the Chinese guy is what then, by comparison? And he is the one who gets Siwon's to listen to him.). He never gets sexy or tender moments with Siwon, their interaction lacks chemistry, Jinha is totally put on background for the sake of the new shinning dude. When readers start shipping one MC with a character that was supposed to be only background, you know the author lost control of the story.
5- Why is the Chinese guy stealing the spotlight of the intended MC Jinha? How could he not? He gets all the hot kisses scenes, he gets Siwon naked, half naked, he gets Siwon blushing, moaning and all the sensual scenes that Jinha never gets. So how can the readers not mock the situation where a 3rd character gets more work and development than the 'boring and pushy' Jinha who looks more like an idiot now for begging and waging his tail for a boyfriend who can hardly kiss him without getting annoyed?

So, If you are really interested on what you are missing, these are mostly the points. I didn't even mentioned the valid arguments that the original plot of the stone and a love story between Siwon and Jinha is lost at this point. The main complain is that the author probably wanted to add fanservice with the kink stuff and it wouldn't fit Jinha and Siwon very bland so she is adding all this cheap shit with the Lu Xuan or whatever his name. In order to do that she dumbed down Siwon. It's laughable and ridiculous to call Siwon 'naive' --- he is a 23 y old but the level of naive in his behavior is of a child below the age you learn that you shouldn't get in the car with someone you know already took naked pictures of you. He looks stupid, dumb, mentally challenged. He looks like incapable of taking basic care of himself. Jinha is relegated to being a bore and on top of that, readers like you want to bring the character down so Siwon doesn't look so bad. The poor MC is already getting a humiliating defeat by being the most pathetically sad MC losing spotlight for a 3rd guy, at least leave him free of Siwon's screw ups.

"I can understand that people can be angry at him for being naive and going to drink with the Chinese guy, but I guess he didn't really expect to be kidnapped and he was also pretty upset about his situation with Kang jinha? "

Calling Siwon 'naive' when his behavior is only explained by assuming he has a slow mental capacity for a 20 something man is troubling. How can you say he couldn't expect something very wrong would happen if he got into a car with someone HE KNOWS did all the things LX did? How?
That is why readers are so upset. That both MCs are being destroyed in order for the author to engage in some kind of fanservice for readers who were missing sex.
Jinha gets almost no focus in this story and certainly he only gets annoyance and in the end even gets to be blamed for Siwon's behavior. It's on the author's back to keep a balance and the readers engaged in the main couple. When you bring a character for drama but you ended up giving the character more 'trinkets' in a way that readers start comparing how boring and annoying the main pair looks in comparison with the new one, then clearly there was a miscalculation.
Siwon looks pathetic like a damsel in distress that keeps getting herself in the mouth of a big bad Wolf. Jinha looks an afterthought of a character that comes across like someone who should just move on because the person he loves doesn't even care to listen to what he says. The hot Chinese guy looks way better suited for being the MC in this story now because clearly the author put a lot of effort in his sexy scenes, giving him way more intimacy with Siwon.
I agree with you, not always we ended up with the first love and at this point it would make way more sense if the author put a note that Jinha moved away and found somebody else and Siwon found out that he is indeed more attracted to Xuan. They sure make a fitting pair. The Chinese guy needs a toy, someone who can be easily manipulated and 'naive' as a child and Siwon is just the perfect prey for him. Siwon never really looked that much in love with Jinha but he certainly looks very much 'flustered' and enticed with Xuan. That is the only reason to explain he getting in that car without looking a 20+ man with the self awareness of a 5 year old.

There are plenty of posts here explaining what you missed. From Siwon being portrayed stupid to Jinha character being left behind for the sake of pumping up Lu Xuan, there is plenty of valid points.
If you can't understand by now why this story is frustrating so many and losing readers, you probably never will.

Wow what an essay! but I agree with every word~

You forgot Lu kidnapped his best friend from the start, he published their pictures kissing all over the school, he blackmail Jinha and Siwon didn't seem to give a fuck about all this. And yeas he blush and enjoy Lu hugging him before he was drugged. So here your explanations, Jinha never get any kind words like Lu get or Siwon seem to enjoy kissing him like Siwon enjoy kissing Lu, even by force before he was drugged.

you right. I don't understand how Siwon's brain work.

I don't get Siwon either or don't try to anymore. he is an asshole that an okay with crazy dude's like Lu XD I guess they deserve each other.

But can't Donghyun be consitured a childhood friend? But Siwon initially chose Jinha instead of Dongyuh. ╮(￣▽￣)╭ but what ever Waje just going to fix everything somehow with the power of love, Lu's going to fix his waes and Dongyuh's going to be fine with Jinha and Siwon.(〜￣△￣)〜

First of all, I am not excusing Siwon's behaviour. I know he is stupid and naive, but I also know people who are like that in real life, people who try to see the best out of people I would call scum and always forgive stuff and hope for the best. I'm not saying that it's reasonable or logic. Just that it can happen.

Second, I'm not blaming everything on Kang Jinja because that would be nonsense. Simon is as much as fault as him. But as I said before, Kang Jinha knows about Siwon and everything and till doesn't know how to behave with him. I mean that just wanting to see what you want to see and expect Siwon to to what you think it's good for you.

Finally, if the author decided to put Siwon as "the damsel in distress", maybe you all should breath for a second, calm down and see what happens, ok? The author is not stupido so if she decided for the things to go like this there must be a reason

And people, of your think about the stone of envy, what was it supposed to do? To make siwon and Kang Jinha happy? NO
Of course there need to be some more drama with the Chinese guy, what did you expect? As I said before, I'm not saying that he should've not expected to be dragged away but sometimes people are just stupid ok? I see that everyday and it doesn't surprise me. People themselves can be full of contradictions, so going out drinking with the Chinese guy is stupid (for everyone ok? I'm also in that everyone) but sometimes people do stupid stuff because they're too upset to think calmly about it.

So if you think that I missed something maybe you should also get down from you highly and might place and read some stuff again.

I answer already but I just wanted to point out a thing. If I wrote those things about cheating, maybe it's because I read other people's comments calling it like that?
Also, I never said that Siwon is not dumb. But actually I know people who are older then me behaving like children at kindergarten. So age is not enough for a person to be mature ╮(￣▽￣)╭

he more then just stupid or naive, he is abusive towerd Jinha. why? cause he use words to hurt him, not once, not twice, every chance he get he use words to hurt and humiliate him. and this is not OK!! no matter how old he is, no matter how scared he is, it is not okay to abuse someone you love or going out with! I don't think you get this point yet.

it's not about forgive stuff and see the good in people, it's to have common sense older people have. people can act childsih but still have common sense to get some guy is dangerous and not sane in the head, and not go near him!

I can say the same about Siwon knowing everything about Jinha family and how he suffer from them. yet he keep abusing him just like his family did to him. of course he won't know how to act with him, cause he is not good with people!! how many times do people need to say this?! read about his family again and see how he act with people. still Siwon using it to act like a little bitch and order him around! this is horrible! instead of support him more and try to help him move on from his past, and teach him how to communicate with people around him, all he is doing is thinking about himself and humiliating him many times!

the author don't know how to write anymore, I think we should agree on that if the only thing she can do is write a circle's plot that don't move anywhere. we are in so many chapter's and yet nothing change!! Siwon still abuse Jinha, and Jinha still jealoes everytime he see him with others. this is not how you write a story! if you think she had a reason to go in circles for 30 chapter's, you should read a batter story's with development and see the difference.

has for the stone's, has people already said, the author don't care about that plot anymore, so it dosn't really matter XD

right now it's not for drama, it's just funservice. drama should be use to develop the plot, not to make the character's more stupid. like I said, there is no development in this story, only circle's that doing that same thing, so the drama is pointless in this story.

I get what you mean. I don't agree with everything you said, but I understand what you're saying.

Maybe calling Siwon "abusive" is a bit exaggerated don't you think? I can understand selfish, insensitive and stuff like that but calling Siwon abusive is too much. Someone abusive is one like the seme from KS, not Siwon. He just said some words (like a child) that hurt Jinha.
But about Jinha being jealous every time he sees him with someone, that's something he has to fix. Sadly, if you think about it carefully, if he had explained everything to Siwon when he first met the Chinese instead of going in rage (I understand why of course but still not the best choice) he made Siwon misunderstand and think it was jealously.

Anyway, when it comes to personality and past almost all the characters are hopeless ╮(￣▽￣)╭

As in all the stories about love, there's no drama without lack of communication skills, misunderstandings and stuff like that (づ￣ ³￣)づ

you don't need to use physical violence to be abusive you know. words can hurt just like physical hit too. and even worse then physical, and yeas he is abusive - to Humiliate, curse, hurt self-confidence is been abusive! and yeas Siwon did those things more then three times. and yeas taking out all his anger and frustration like Jinha was his Punching bag is been abusive!

still Siwon didn't trust him from the start, even if let's say he was jealous, Siwon should have TRUST him! and he never did trust him! even if he had all the reasons to trust him. he never compliment him or was kind to him, ever. unless you remember one part Siwon was kind to him or compliment him, I don't remember he ever did. only one time, ONE TIME he give him something. can't remember what that was. the rest he was angry at him, yalled at him, avoid him, humiliated him, accused him in all his problems of the world and his problems etc..
at least Jinha told him he was been blackmail, you know....BLACKMAIL but again, Siwon didnt' give a fuck about it and instead was busy whining about something not that importent. at least Jinha have a good reason to act how he is, Siwon have no reason to be abusive like he is! HE HAD NO REASON!!!

if Jinha jealous attack was like 40% of the time then Siwon anger attacks and abusive is 85% of the time in this story! and no he have no reason to humiliate someone like that! no matter how angry he is!

what bring to character's to change!! not to stay the same and do the same shit over and over and over again!!

Yeah, well, sadly that's the kind of stuff that sells it seems, so I don't think that the author is gonna change it (￣∇￣")
I mean, I thought it would be a cute story about love but I was a bit taken aback too. Still, I am hoping for some improvement in both characters. They have a lot of flaws personality wise, so the author should probably try and make them "talk it out" and fix it. Their relationship is not exactly what I would call a happy one.

About the trust issue, sadly that's a thing that lots of couple have, even though it trusting your partner should be the first thing you should do in a relationship.

Also, I never said that Siwon had the right to insult him, and I never will. It's just that people sometimes do stuff without thinking and then feel bad about having done that (if you remember Siwon called himself "the worst" after arguing with Jinja again).
But rather than not hurting him through words, I would've loved if Siwon had at least apologized for it after. I mean, he is still your lover and stuff.

Yeah but that's how long stories work. They are a series of arcs where stuff happens, there's a bit of drama, and then love stuff. It's always like that and it will always be, just think about dramas, manga or any love story in general.

About the character's change, it's up to the author, he can do what he/she wants ╮(￣▽￣)╭

show me one manga that keep doing it after 30 chapter's, I mean the trust issues. and I show you at least 5 manga's where the trust is there after some time and less then 30 chapter's.
and yeas, like I said it's a bad writing story (￣∇￣") not worth your time or to read it.
has for him doing it without thinking - he did it more then 3 times, it getting old by now. how many times would he keep insult him until it will be over? all his life?? it getting annoying and it make sense people will get angry. Siwon will never apologized cause he not see it has his fault, even when it does his fault.
I will say it again, drama mostly change the character's, they do CHANGE. but here there is no change, so the drama is pointless. at least in a love story you do see change and them getting over it and happy ending.
I think you should just admit this is just bad writing and move on from this comic. it's not worth it ^_^
yeas the author can create crap with no plot they want, but we don't have to read that crap and have the right to warn people from reading crap.

ok..ok.. Siwon only stupid. well, I can say that. If he always hurt Jinha, it would be the best if he doesn't approach Jinha anymore. And for Jinha, I hope he will never involved his self with Siwon again. Just leave him. And when Jinha leave him, I hope Siwon will not cry like a baby. It suck.

so sad, they are the main character. the main couple in the cover. (￣∇￣")

Hidoku shinaide

About the trust issue, actually it makes sense that Siwon has it, even thought it's annoying. They never really talked about it out loud, it was never resolved from the beginning, so why should it get fixed by itself without reason? If it makes people angry, they have to cope with it, it's the author's right to draw what they want and how they want. And, in the same way, it's the reader's right to drop it or complain, but that doesn't mean that the story will change to his like.
If you feel like you want to drop it because it's getting annoying, you're free to do so. Still, I want to read it until the end and then give my full opinion about it. For me it's still worth my time, because I know how hard it can be to write a story and things don't always go like you want. It could also be that this is the author's first story that became famous, and sometimes people under pressure write badly or have problems with deadlines and stuff (in the Japanese manga and in Korean manhwa they're usually pretty close to each other, like 1 chapter or week).


The drama can change the characters a lot or just a bit, maybe you just didn't notice the change in the situation because eyou were expecting something different. Actually Siwon still became a bit better form the beginning, personality wise. They haven't even been going out for that long so I don't really expect stuff to go smoothly anyway.

Well, like you will say that it's crap and that it's not worth my time, I will tell you that all the stories, where the drawings are good and where I know that the author has putt effort in it, it IS worth my time. Like you will give a bad review about it, I will give my own. It doesn't mean that they will be the same.

And for me now, yeah it's not the best story I've read until now but it's not crap. Crap is other kinds of stories. This is still worth it and this is my opinion, that's it

Yeah. I mean, if something is wrong in a relationship you rather talk about it or just break up. If Jinja will leave Siwon because of his action, that the second will have to man up and think about what he did. This is how things should work.

what you mean he have a good reason? how did he have a good reason not to trust the guy he know all his life??? no it dosn't make sense! and even more after he come back and prove to him again and again and again that he is loyal to the asshole Siwon. hell he almost died cause of him ╮(￣▽￣)╭
now it getting really stupid you know XD
Talk about what? that Siwon taking his anger on him all the time with no reason? or that he is fast to blame him even if it dosn't even make sense? or that you know, he whine how much he is not gay and hate gay people, yet kiss Jinha 2-3 from his own free will. and than he blame it on Jinha, cause it his fault right? nope. it isn't make sense.

Ok, first, you need to think that people are also made with feelings, so not everything they do will or has to follow exactly what is the most reasonable thing to do.

About the trust issue, I meant that he probably can't make himself fully trust Jinha. That kind of thing is something that someone needs time to fix, ok?
About knowing him for all his life, that's wrong. They knew each other as children and then got separated, so people can change with time and it also can become like meeting a "stranger". I mean, probably more than 8 years have passed, so it wouldn't be strange if one of them or both have changed.
And sorry bur giving Siwon the fails for Jinha's death is really something stupid. I mean, it's not like he made it happen on purpose or that he wanted it. It's almost like saying that if you were with someone who was run by a car, then it's your fault. Sorry but that's nonsense.
And yes, they should talk about everything. About Siwon being a hothead and coward when there's a problem. About Jinha's stupid jealousy and mood swings when things don't go as he wants. About their life in general.

Anyway, if you do some research, it's pretty common for people to deny their sexual orientation. Most people, especially gay or lesbian or bi or M or S, and almost anyone who has a fetish... A lot of people actually, tend to hide, reject or deny their sexual orientation because of fear of being isolated or shunned. It you think about it, it DOES make sense. Just think about Siwon's reaction when he saw the posters with him kissing Jinha hanged everywhere in the school, he had a panic attack and ran away. Maybe that's not the best way to resolve the situation, but it's the most real reaction.

... omg this was a long runt (⊙…⊙ )

that first paragraph especially was really insightful. really changes how i read skyler's character.

Actually, yeah. I think you changed my mind about Skyler too a little bit. I think I was waiting for someone to explain his behavior in a way that negated his actions DESPITE knowing what a shitty mother he had. And I think this post was it. Actually. That was a great post all around.