
I don’t get how most comments are against onoda and siding with deguchi like
Deguchi had no problem having an unrequited crush for 3 years and would’ve kept going if he still thought onoda is straight but suddenly now that theres actually a chance he’s suddenly impatient has no time and it “hurts too much”?? Bro istg if you don’t sit down
Also pointing out onoda rejecting him at first when he clearly thought deguchi was suggesting being with him as a joke LIKE DID YALL EXPECT HIM TO JUMP AND SAY YES LETS GO?/ he didn’t even confess he was just like Oh if You liKE ShiMA ThEn WHy DoNt You LikE Me hAhA ?/???
And considering he thought he was straight till now and only barely just had a small crush on shima, it’s not insane to ask for some time to think about having actual feelings for a man and with possibility of acting on it instead of brushing it off like he could brush off his crush on Shima and what that means about his sexuality and what he knows about himself, LET ALONE suddenly seeing a friend of 3 years romantically and sexually, asking for time to think isn’t insane yet deguchi keeps rushing him with threat of moving on and cutting off the friendship soon like how’s that fair? If you weren’t gonna give him time to make a choice you should’ve kept it to yourself and not confessed, you KNOW he’s been straight till now and it wouldn’t be a sudden “oh wait you love me? Then I love you too” immediate thing so rushing him is cruel, and then constantly putting words in his mouth and running away and acting like onoda is rejecting him when he isn’t, it’s looking a lot as if he only confessed to get a rejection and move on with how much he’s pushing onoda to reject him and not as if he confessed with hope to get together,
all the while onoda’s actually putting a lot of thought into it and not treating it lightly
And then KNOWING THAT you go and tell him “oh don’t think about me, my sexual needs are being taken care of”?????????? Are you stupid????? Like okay sure you didn’t have to be celibate for a man youu thought you had no chance with but still seeing people after confessing??? Onoda is there thinking of his feelings and future with you and you’re getting your sexual needs met with others??? And after all that you’re still jealous of the temporary shallow crush on Shima to the point of testing him knowing he’d say he’s alone EVEN THO HES ON THE PHONE ASKING TOU IF HE CAN GO TO YOUR PLACE EARLY AND WAIT FOR YOU TO COME HOME??> bro do you have a gene of focusing on all the wrong things out of what he says ??
He’s making me wanna pull my hair out

im not sure you understand how 3 years can take a toll on anyone. if you did, you would understand the impatience, the anxiety, and doubts that could eat away at a person. yeah, deguchi is hurrying bec if u cared to notice, he was the one always taking the first step and even with love, that gets tiring. seme was acting so indecisive and that honestly would've killed me ngl so maybe u could give deguchi some of the grace you seem to be giving onoda

I certainly agree with you. I came back to re-read this and I got frustrated and annoyed at Deguchi. I get both sided because at some point, I too had an unrequited crush on my bestfriend for 7 long years except that I atleast made an effort, I was honest, I confessed, got rejected multiple times until I finally let go. But never have I ever forced them to like me right away because I know things just don't work that way. You can't just change your preferences or magically fall in love the moment someone you knew loved you for a long time. In fact, that gives them even more of a burden because they'll feel guilty for not knowing and maybe hurting you unintentionally. That hurts them too you know.
The thing is mostly are siding with Deguchi because he seemed pitiful but my goshh you also don't know the struggle of the other side. Though I'm glad both of them sorted it out at the end and apologized to each other for their faults. That's a start to solidify their relationship.
Also I have never onced thought of just giving my body to anyone or worse different people when my heart belonged to someone else. That's just against everything that I stand for so I think it's about the difference in morals. I don't have a problem with Deguchi sleeping around when he was single but when he still went and kept sleeping around even after confessing to Onoda while pressuring him to give an answer right away pissed me off too because imagine putting yourself in Onoda's place. While you were busy thinking about things seriously, you suddenly find out that they're sleeping around even then get hit with sarcasm when they're the one who wants to get together with you. It makes you feel stupid like that means even if they did get together, Deguchi will go to other people to take care of his sexual needs so what's the point then in comitting?. lol.
Mann this fictional story got me logging in just to reply to your comment ahaha. I just wanna say I felt what you felt too. It's okay if we're the only few ones who sees things from both perspective. It's not about who is more pitiful but more like understanding how complicated human emotions are and how at the end of the day, no matter what gender orientation one has, we suffer the same fate. We get hurt, we get confused, we hyperanalyze things, we make bad decisions, etc. So in the end we're all just humans. Ciaoo. peace out.

yess i completely agree with you two. i don't even have anything to add because these comments really encompassed all the frustration i felt towards him. i completely get that unrequited love is hard, but being on the opposite end and receiving that love is also hard, especially when it's from a close friend you don't want to lose.
overall just felt very frustrated with deguchi, especially how he kept rushing onoda for an answer with no consideration for how confused and lost he must feel. and then got soo jealous over shima, while he's been sleeping with so many men.

One of the first mangas I read that ijust rediscovered its cute but like AAAA both bottoms made me mad,
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I hate The “I’m breaking up with you for your sake” people especially if it’s “so you can go have your heteronormative life” with their choice in the matter being ignored, AND THEN SECONDBOTTOM had no problem being silently in love for 3 years and would’ve kept going if he still thought mc is straight but the moment he confessed suddenly he has no time to give mc to think about him that way and make a decision??? Also ok sure u have freedom to sleep with whoever if you’re not dating him and haven’t even confessed yet but the moment you confessed and he’s starting to consider his feelings for you and being with you WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU SLEEP WITH ANYONE ELSE PAST THAT MOMENT WHATTHE HELL IS “ITS TAKEN CARE OF” YOU ASS and then later on so easily suggesting a breakup STILL putting words in his mouth like “you’re definitely gonna break up with me one day so I’m doing it now” bro mc deserved better than that shit, I also don’t get why in mangas they keep referring to characters as straight even after they clearly romantically and sexually like a man like SO WHAT that their past is with women, the present is proof they’re not straight so ??? Or the “you’re straight one day you’ll leave me” as if being with a gold star gay would eliminate any possibility of them leaving you for any reason, like bro the probability of being left is the same so why would you push someone away for “being straight” and fearing the future like that AAAAAAA

Bro futami annoying as hell and I don’t get how he doesn’t get told to stfu on the daily, but like I hate where they took the story, they were otherwise wholesome and sweet and casual jealousy was fine but I don’t think I’d be able to get over my partner having actual suspicion of me cheating, like that made the plot actually sad for me,
Like dude you already know when he’s late it’s cause of work and that if you were held back you wouldn’t be able to get out of it too so you can’t blame him for not having time, and then he’s worried about you since you came there through rain risking getting sick (WHICH YOU DID) he can’t say “you shouldn’t have come it’s hard on you”?? And when he was jealous of you with futami (who you have more history with than he does) who was all over you to the point he was declaring dislike for zen, he told you he won’t give in to the jealousy cause he knows you love HIM and is that not a declaration of his love and trust for you??? And what do you do? Go suspect him of being involved with futami?/ just cause he lied about being at work while being at a SHOP?/ before a trip that’s supposed to be celebrating your birthday??/ like oh wowwww you must have to be a super genius to connect the dots and come to the conclusion he might be buying you a gift
Like I don’t care if zen isn’t very verbal about his feelings, he’s shown he loves you and your worlds revolves around each other for the past 10 years, you’d think that’s enough time and closeness to know their character,
I hate how ryou not trusting him enough to test him and accuse him is somehow equated to the ‘crime’ of zen not talking about feelings every other sentence

Like it doesn’t take a genius to figure out he’s at a shop and not telling you about it cause he’s getting you a gift before a trip to celebrate your bd, him being there with futami is entirely irrelevant, zen getting drunk with futami on the business trip also entirely irrelevant considering ryou got drunk with him first to the point of zen having to come to ryous house and find that futami is THERE having dragged ryou there, like if anything that’s more cause for jealousy yet zen confidently had trust in ryou, and what, are you so dumb to think your relationship of ten years is as shallow as “oh we were just rivals and turned lovers so now anyone that ever competes with him is actual risk of becoming his romantic interest”??? Like even while knowing you’re the only man he’s considered being with??? And you didn’t think twice to check your jealousy and not test and accuse him??????? AAAAAAAAAAAA

Bro the more I think about it the more pissed off I get, went back and reread it, after zen getting drunk with futami ryou calls from jealousy or whatever, zen tells him the stuff he talked about with futami and is honest with him, also shows his care telling him not to overdo it at work and worrying about how ryou is doing all the trip planning, all moments showing his feelings and yet it’s treated as if he’s not showing feelings just cause he didn’t end the call with “I wanna see you too”???
And then what ryou did WAS stupid and he was getting rightfully scolded for coming over to zen’s house with no warning with no idea when zen will get home all while it’s raining, like ye he’s being rightfully harsh and scolding you for being reckless with your health, that itself is another moment of showing his care and you take “you shouldn’t come in these circumstances just to see me” as if he doesn’t love you?? LIEK HES RIGHT YOU SHOULDNT DO THAT JUST TO SEE HIM, RISKING YOUR HEALTH BEFORE A PLANNED TRIP “JUST TO SEE HIM” IS STUPID, and getting defensive over him telling you not to overwork???
And then the next day from ryou’s thoughts saying “but why did you lie about being with futami” I’m sorry bro but he didn’t lie about being with futami, he said he’s busy and can’t come over that day, at most he lied about being at work vs not at work, he didn’t say shit about being with or without futami and considering futami was irrelevant in their relationship outside him being a threat in ryou’s mind that zen didn’t even KNOW about how there might possibly be jealousy in ryou over futami, not telling him he’s with futami isn’t some break of trust or smth, what’s next? he has to report which coworker he rode an elevator with too? With no prior knowledge of ryou’s concerns? So in reality the lie was about being at work vs at a shop which if ryou was clearheaded he could guess why (gift before bd trip), but his jealousy over futami distorted the situation and made him put zen to the test…

legit couldn't have said it better ryou in this volume was so frustrating. the only reason i don't want to fully punch him in the face is because he did say "my jealousy isn't as cute as yours"
BUT MAN he complains about zen not being honest but in the end HE wasn't even honest about his uneasiness and jealousy

Bro kept a grudge about being rejected and called “tiny” for ten years, made his work living hell, and he just gets no punishment for the bs he pulled/??? oh boo hoo he treats him like shit and once the boss treats him like shit too and he’s crying SUDDENLY YOU HAVE A CONSCIENCE?? Also what the hell is up with all the sex scenes being so shit, bottom keeps saying stop and wait and top just does what he wants with “I can’t control myself, you saying no turns me on, oh you’re saying go on so now I won’t stop even if you tell me to” THE FUCKST like whys that shit shown as if it’s hot, or like he’s beaten up by his shit ex and he’s mad that bottom didn’t tell him about it and tried to deal with it himself so now he’s “punishing” him and spanking and shit like BRO HE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT HE DOESNT NEED YOUR SHIT ON TOP OF IT

I get it that, it wasn't okay, I also found it a bit dumb-
but I gave it a thought
what if I was fat really fat and a nerd- and also self conscious about it and then the guy I like who would most probably reject me, does reject me ♀ but rather than just ending it at I don't like you- he added you're just not my type as I like pretty and slim girls and also you're fat and then just running off- I'd find it disturbing lowkey-
And thank god it wasnt just me, the punishment part- when i saw that i felt so flabbergasted T_T coz of that but when he came to his senses and realized that it wasn't his fault I was like-.....thank god this man knows it wasn't okay- but still dude wtf ┗( T﹏T )┛

I mean I’ve been told worse stuff, but any normal human would get over it, and if crossing paths with the person ten whole years later keep contact to minimum if having to meet for work, and not abuse their position at work for personal amusement, not plot a whole revenge plan which in the end wasn’t even a revenge plan cause it wasn’t even really about what mc said when rejecting him for a long time into whatever he started, he just had a cruelty compulsion of his own

tbh I'm not sure what was cut off- I have a very bad memory
but anyways I was just saying that yes the reason of him bullying was unreasonable and I understand your frustration but pls don't generalize your opinion to other humans, everyone has a diff mindset and diff coping techniques, you might even dealt with such words well but not everyone has that ability or strength
Even if it's gone and happened, when u face the problem again you get reminded of what level of hurt you were and get affected. And as I said everyone is different and no ones mind works the exact same and responses the same ♀
I srsly understand ur frustration tho ( ̄ε(# ̄)Σ

OKAY THIS IS SO LOVELY I WASNT EXPECTING SUCH WHOLESOMENESS AAAAAAAAA, like they love each other so much and every conflict is resolved so quick, but also the 20 year old alpha was nice too, a bit annoying with his persistence but love how he wasn’t a blackmailing ass and at the end advised him to talk it out with the alpha and date and that they’re both overthinkers etc,
ALSO WHERE THE HELL IS THE PREGNANCY AND BABY AND AAAAA I NEED MORE OF THEM PLEASEEEEEEEE
Also was kinda hoping for side stories about the alpha’s blond with piercings friend and glasses friend so if anyone has any recommendations with characters looking like those two pls send

ALSO I love how much of the time they were having just casual affectionate touches even before getting together, and hugs and cuddles and falling asleep next to each other not just sex sex sex like how a lot of manhwas are like it feels insanely rare to get that feeling that yes they ARE childhood friends that are so insanely comfortable with touch that it’s not out of norm and causes no suspicion of romantic feelings
ALSO LOVE TAHT OMEGA ISNT A SUBMISSIVE DUMBASS, like besides the keeping it a secret he’s an omega, I love how he was just willing to casually admit to his feelings to the 20yo, and how he didn’t ask him to keep it secret and how he was the one to ask the alpha to move in and later to marryyyy

Dude I’m like 18 chapters in but … what… I thought it’s a cute artstyle it’ll be a cute wholesome thing but no he just gets him drunk and rapes him while he’s asleep ?? And then acts like it was all consensual and shit, like from other comments I’m assuming they’re reincarnations but even so I hate when reincarnation is used to jump relationship steps when only one of them remembers, dude if one doesn’t remember then they’re not the same person you’re just forcing your memories on them wth, AND I THOUGHT AT LEAST IN PAST LIFE IT WOULD BE A LOVING COUPLE BUT NO EVEN IN PAST LIFE HOSIK SAW AS A D REAM TOP WAS FORCING HIMSELF ON HOSIK? And hosik is somehow naive and stupid to ignore all his realistic initial objections to what’s happening and he’s suddenly going along with it, like oh ye he raped me but he’s buying me good food so I guess ye I’m marrying him and having his baby yippee, like this could’ve at least been somehow cute if the “being on guard to getting close” arc was ACTUALLY consensual, like if it actually started with actual consensual drunk sex and stuff not him literally waking up drunk seeing the top is actively fucking him???? Like at no point does it feel like hosik is in this shit by free will, he’s manipulated left and right and baby trapped ?/??????? WHAT A WASTE OF A CUTE ARTSTYLE PLS

It really doesn’t get better huh, he basically keeps him prisoner, bro gets scolded for going to the park out front, he doesn’t want hosik meeting up with the blond friend (who seems to be the only normal person in the comic), and after he’s given birth he wants to go back to uni and top is like “it’s not a good time do it later do it later” with clearly no intention to let him, like holy fucking shit he’s manipulative and abusive in every way and then they’re giving flashbacks of how they first met with hosik having “oh he’s so attractive” thoughts as if him having a small crush justifies his consent not being a factor in anything that’s done to him??? DUDE WHAT THE FUCK BULLSHIT IS THIS SUGARCOATED IN A CUTE STYLE WHAT THE FUCK

And every damn time the blond friend opens his eyes about how he’s treated isn’t right and hosik grows a spine for a moment and speaks up, this piece of shit is like “wdym you don’t wanna see my face you’re hurting my feelings uwu I’m gonna pout and be sad that you’re speaking up about how I basically raped baby trapped you kidnapped into a marriage and have tracking apps on your phone and gps bracelet and you can’t meet your friends freely and I’m jealous abot your friend and don’t want you going back to get your degree annd if we argue and you wanna stay in your room a bit I’m gonna break open the door” AND IT WORKS ON HOSIK AND HE FALLS FOR THE CROCODILE TEARS WHAT THE FUUUUUCK

Okay so second half it gets better, from the top’s perspective a bit, but also it kinda rewrites the vibe of everything that happened??? Like hosik apparently just woke up the morning of first night and not mid-being-fucked like the initial retelling??? And apparently it wasnt against his will even tho they were drunk? And apparently they’d been friends for a while doing uni project collaboration and going on lunch dates and stuff together and apparently hosik had a crush on him but the blond friend said homophobic shit liek “if it’s two guys ew gross” so his internalized homophobia kicked in and he himself once he realized that’d make them gay?? Which I don’t freaking understand why this is a thing, like the whole point of omegaverse Is to not have the standard world homophobia but no it’s well and present in this comic along with CONSTANT background characters nagging at how the baby looks like the top, how he baby must be the top’s and hosik’s cousins, how “they didn’t realized hosik and him were close” etc etc and there wasn’t a single satisfying moment of hosik not giving a shit about those gossips and proudly announcing they’re married and it’s their kids, like till the end he’s still hiding it on his class reunion, I wanna pull my hair out
But anyway ye second half hosik very much acts like he wants to be in that relationship and he DOES go back and graduate uni and he does speak up about the top being so careful and possessive over him (even tho top doesn’t really listen and assigns bodyguards etc, but ok bro is terrified of smth happening to hosik, cause apparently in a past reincarnation he knew all his life about their original life and og hosik dying etc and depressed cause he hadn’t met hosik at all till he did so I’m not sure if modern time him also remembers it ALL or what)
But like if it was gonna be wholesome second half and rewrite the reality then why the hell start the comic in such a manipulative top way, like it wasn’t at least left ambiguous in the first half to then in second half to be explained that hosik liked him actually, in first half youre TOLD by hosik’s thoughts how much all that shit wasn’t consensual how he’s freaked out about everything SO I DONT GET THIS SHIT but anyway
And then the side stories of second pregnancy problems and complications and og past life and past reincarnation left me SOBBING MY EYES OUT like AAAAAAAA, but I still don’t know how I’d feel about first half of the story if I ever reread

i have read this manhwa since a few years after it was released and it is true that there is rape. don't say shit like this cuz it pmo too. yall dickride these tops way too much. you need to realized that other opinions exist too but the thing is that the og commenter is right, it was noncon so it's not even an opinion.

Bro I’ve read several “mafia guy buys poor mc’s debt left by gambler dad” stories but like holy shet bro just…. Treats him toothachingly sweet from pretty much the start???? No power trips and forcing him into bad work to pay off his debt till mc falls for him??? No Stockholm syndrome of falling in love with his abuser stuffff?? HE JUST SETS HIM UP TO DO LIGHT ODD JOBS AND GET PAID A PSYCHATRIST SALARY AND LIVE IN HIS HOUSE AND HAVE WHOLESOME CONVERSATIONS, AND DESPITE HIS ATTRACTION HES STILL NOT POSSESSIVE AND INSANE AND STILL WILLING TO LET HIM TO FOR HIS SAKE??? BRO WHO IS RHIS ANGEL

But like the little sis is annoying as hell, bro is working himself to the bone to provide for her and she’s acting like an ungrateful brat, like ok he went to the army but clearly he didn’t plan for you to be hit by dad while he’s gone, comparing him to dad accusing him of becoming a gambler and telling him to kill himself is just insane
Also I don’t get the little bro actually being a little sis arc? Like I thought it was implying it’s a trans brother, but then switches up to sister so how’s this relevant? What was the reason? And like is it just a “was called Theo so they assumed it’s a brother and original doesn’t have gendered pronouns and English used gendered t9 keep up the misunderstanding illusion” case? LIKE I DONT GET THIS DETAIL

Okay holy shit I love this so much,
I’m obsessed at how there’s no conflict between them it’s all external and they’re all “I’d do anything for you” with each other pretty much immediately, like sure it took a bit for him to claim beom as only his but still it was a done deal the moment he thought of him as the only one that worried for him from people around I LOVE HOW NEITHER HESITATE TO JUMP TO THE OTHER’S RESCUE, there’s really no one in the world outside their bubble as a pair, LIKE IM OBSESSED WITH THOSE STORIES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE THE WORLD ISNT RIGHT UNLESS THEYRE TOGETHER
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That said AAAAAAA I DID NOT EXPECT THAT ENDING, like I read all the comments saying they sobbed and I was like ok the entire time they’re just consistently together what could possibly happen to sob, and I’d read Smyrna and capri SO I THOUGHT OK THIS WILL BE HAPPY ENDING RIGHT, and then they went and DID THAT LIKE THATS SO STUPID WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT LIKE I DONT WANT A REINCARNATION HAPPY ENDING, JUST GIVE A HAPPY ENDING IN ORIGINAL TIMELINE, like ok at the very least they pretty much died together so neither had to live on long without the other, BUT LUKE YOU COULDVE ENDED IT NICELY LIEK WHYYYY, what will happen to their brothers and the lil sis like ITS SO SAD THE CHARACTERS I GOT ATTACHED TO WILL ALL LIVE WITHOUT THESE TWO, and why didn’t they go back and lived on the run??? The prince that was the only problem was exiled and committed suicide, why couldn’t they go back to live at the noble household but had to live on the run with barely getting jobs and Ann geum hoo barely walking and AAAAAAAAAAA
also reincarnation got weird to me cause why did he find him while he was 17 like like sure at 18 beom also realized his dreams are his past life memories so it’s like he gained years of maturity through memories or smth, but like the ick could’ve been avoided completely cause why did he take him in at 17 and teach him how to kiss and say I love you and stuff liek THAS WEIRD, being reincarnated soulmates doesn’t cancel it out anyway but cute that geum hoo stayed Virgin waiting to meet him

BUT THE PANEL OF THEM MODERN TIME, WITH ALL THE GOOD CHARACTERS IN THE BACKGROUND WAS SO CUTEEEE LIKE THE OKDER BROTHER IS STILL WITH THE WHITE HAIRED DOCTOR AND THEYRE STILL FREIDNS WITH GEOM HOO’S SCHOOLMATE, AND THE EX AND THE FRIEND ARE THERE TOO AND THE BUTLER GUY WALKING HIS DOG LIKE AAAAAAAA idk man that panel hit me in the feels
Does anyone know what happens later?/ like does this cause a big misunderstanding or does bum quickly push hyuk away and sets boundaries or something?????
For the raws
https://newtoki465.com/webtoon/43469862?stx=%EB%82%B4+%EC%83%9D%EC%95%A0+%EC%B5%9C%EA%B3%A0%EC%9D%98&toon=BL%2FGL
OMG I GOT ANOTHER PATHETIC WET CAT TOP RUNNING OUT SOBBING WITHOUT SLIPPERS ON LIKE IN LOVE PLAN, IM FEASTING